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I am willing to trade players and any picks. Players off limits are:
Markkanen, Hendricks, Kessler, and George

What can you do to get me out of the churning and into the playoffs next year?

I started with Utah, Brooklyn, Detroit.
Collins to Nets
Johnson to the Pistons
Milton, Stewart, Ivey to Jazz
Collins is more a PF than Johnson and he hits 3s at a reasonable clip.
Johnson stretches the defenses when playing against Detroit, giving Cunningham more room to operate. Plus Grimes makes Ivey redundant.
Utah gets youth on smaller contracts.

Wizards/Utah
Jones in a S&T with Sexton/24 SRP going to the Wizards
Jones comes in a the PG. Washington could lose him for nothing otherwise. Sexton is younger (25) and may give the Wizards a chance to make a trade for picks with him later.

So that gives Utah:
Jones/Ivey (George)/Markkanen/Hendricks/Kessler

Moves to be made are Clarkson and using picks to get better wing backups or in place of Hendricks (to keep Hendricks as a backup for now).

We are not getting Ivey for Collins. We might not even be able to dump Collins for expirings, not a single team truly wants him - not even us. He's a fine player and not bad to have, but he's paid a lot relative to his production, he's not an asset.

Calling from the Chicago Bulls.

I would like Collins. I would have thought something at the deadline would have made sense but the Bulls thought doing nothing was a good idea

With Patrick Williams RFA injured, don't know if the Bulls wish to resign him, or if anyone is willing to offer enough for the Bulls to match or pass. I felt he and Collins on either side of Vucevic was a front line with size and shooting. Demar DeRozan is and UFA I doubt UT wants to sign him so no straight deal. Maybe the Bulls could S&T him to the LAL and then route some of those guys to UT for Collins who if you think he's worthless is just matching numbers.

If the Jazz actually want Jones why wouldn't they just sign him in FA with capspace? They are one team that probably wouldn't need a s&t.

Hoppy1 wrote:I am willing to trade players and any picks. Players off limits are:
Markkanen, Hendricks, Kessler, and George

What can you do to get me out of the churning and into the playoffs next year?

I started with Utah, Brooklyn, Detroit.
Collins to Nets
Johnson to the Pistons
Milton, Stewart, Ivey to Jazz
Collins is more a PF than Johnson and he hits 3s at a reasonable clip.
Johnson stretches the defenses when playing against Detroit, giving Cunningham more room to operate. Plus Grimes makes Ivey redundant.
Utah gets youth on smaller contracts.

Wizards/Utah
Jones in a S&T with Sexton/24 SRP going to the Wizards
Jones comes in a the PG. Washington could lose him for nothing otherwise. Sexton is younger (25) and may give the Wizards a chance to make a trade for picks with him later.

So that gives Utah:
Jones/Ivey (George)/Markkanen/Hendricks/Kessler

Moves to be made are Clarkson and using picks to get better wing backups or in place of Hendricks (to keep Hendricks as a backup for now).

I don’t see any of this happening, but I was tempted to reply to your “I am Utah” with “I am Spartacus”.

I think teams would mostly be interested in your off limits guys and maybe sexton. Collins might require an asset to move unless you move him for a worse contract and get an asset in return.
Also am I mistaken or doesn’t Ainge have the leeway to slow play this rebuild? No urgency to make the playoffs right? He is going to try to acrue assets and multiply value.

Markkanen shouldn't be off limits, actually no one on the Jazz should be off limits for the right deal. there is maybe ten players were no deal would ever make sense.

ChettheJet wrote:Calling from the Chicago Bulls.

I would like Collins. I would have thought something at the deadline would have made sense but the Bulls thought doing nothing was a good idea

With Patrick Williams RFA injured, don't know if the Bulls wish to resign him, or if anyone is willing to offer enough for the Bulls to match or pass. I felt he and Collins on either side of Vucevic was a front line with size and shooting. Demar DeRozan is and UFA I doubt UT wants to sign him so no straight deal. Maybe the Bulls could S&T him to the LAL and then route some of those guys to UT for Collins who if you think he's worthless is just matching numbers.

Useless expirings that match salary seems fine.

WinterSoldier wrote:Markkanen shouldn't be off limits, actually no one on the Jazz should be off limits for the right deal. there is maybe ten players were no deal would ever make sense.

Markannen is on an unextendable expiring, Jazz have 50M cap space, unless something really unexpected happens, he's renegotiated to his max and extended from it.

I'd offer THJ expiring + TOR 25 2nd rd pick for Collin Sexton.

So Utah have Clarkson, Collins, Sexton to trade.

I don't think anyone is giving up a top 20 pick for any of them. So Utah would want to be probably upgrading them over trading them for picks.

So I think it comes down to Utah packaging these players in trades with picks for better players.

zimpy27 wrote:So Utah have Clarkson, Collins, Sexton to trade.

I don't think anyone is giving up a top 20 pick for any of them. So Utah would want to be probably upgrading them over trading them for picks.

So I think it comes down to Utah packaging these players in trades with picks for better players.

I think someone might for Sexton. But I'd be happy with whatever we can get for Collins, and expirings + a 2nd or two for Clarkson. Don't think it's time to push in, so I disagree with adding picks for upgrades.

If I'm San Antonio and Utah is willing to take Charlotte's pick and Keldon Johnson, I'd want Collin Sexton.

babyjax13 wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:So Utah have Clarkson, Collins, Sexton to trade.

I don't think anyone is giving up a top 20 pick for any of them. So Utah would want to be probably upgrading them over trading them for picks.

So I think it comes down to Utah packaging these players in trades with picks for better players.

I think someone might for Sexton. But I'd be happy with whatever we can get for Collins, and expirings + a 2nd or two for Clarkson. Don't think it's time to push in, so I disagree with adding picks for upgrades.

Sexton gets you the most for sure.
Collins likely costs to move for expiring and Clarkson probably gets you nothing and expiring.

So maybe selling Sexton is the way for a pick.

I'd have thought Utah is more interested in improving the team to win around Markannen

Does Utah have enough cap space to sign Tyus Jones? He's a good player, but I'm not sure if he'd be enough to move the needle for them.

If Utah isn't able to keep their 2024 pick (it's protected 1-10) then what's their plan? Sign Markkanen to an extension? Hope for continued improvements by George and Hendricks?

WinterSoldier wrote:Markkanen shouldn't be off limits, actually no one on the Jazz should be off limits for the right deal. there is maybe ten players were no deal would ever make sense.

Nope.

As long as Lauri wants to be in Utah, he will be off limits in trades. Utah would be stupid to trade away a star-caliber player that actually wants to be in Utah, just to go through another Haywood/Mitchell experience.

If he decides he wants out, then he will no longer be off limits.

mg wrote:If the Jazz actually want Jones why wouldn't they just sign him in FA with capspace? They are one team that probably wouldn't need a s&t.

Need a S&T, no. But trading off dead weight and preserving the cap space would be preferred.

At some point Utah has to make the change from building to built. Built also means getting in front of the teams that owe Utah picks (making the picks more valuable(.
Markkanen is 26, 27 next year. How long does Utah wait to cash in?
Has to be within the next 4 years as a team ready to seriously compete - more than play-in/first round summit.

Cappy_Smurf wrote:

WinterSoldier wrote:Markkanen shouldn't be off limits, actually no one on the Jazz should be off limits for the right deal. there is maybe ten players were no deal would ever make sense.

Nope.

As long as Lauri wants to be in Utah, he will be off limits in trades. Utah would be stupid to trade away a star-caliber player that actually wants to be in Utah, just to go through another Haywood/Mitchell experience.

If he decides he wants out, then he will no longer be off limits.

Does Lauri want to be in Utah for a 4 year rebuild? I think he stays one more year so he can renegotiate the current contract then ask out.

brackdan70 wrote:I think teams would mostly be interested in your off limits guys and maybe sexton. Collins might require an asset to move unless you move him for a worse contract and get an asset in return.
Also am I mistaken or doesn’t Ainge have the leeway to slow play this rebuild? No urgency to make the playoffs right? He is going to try to acrue assets and multiply value.

Of course they would be interested in them. But they are the building blocks for the team.
You can put pieces around Markkanen, Hendricks, Wessler. Need another scorer and several role players. What Utah has now is some expensive role players that offer very little to the team - Collins/Jackson/Sexton.

zimpy27 wrote:So Utah have Clarkson, Collins, Sexton to trade.

I don't think anyone is giving up a top 20 pick for any of them. So Utah would want to be probably upgrading them over trading them for picks.

So I think it comes down to Utah packaging these players in trades with picks for better players.

Collins and # of picks for who?
Sexton and # of picks for who?

I am trying to gauge what the populace thinks are good moves.