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Houston gets:
Zach LaVine

Chicago gets:
Jalen Green
Jeff Green
Jock Landale
Jae'Sean Tate

Houston gets what they needed out of Jalen Green in Zach LaVine. He provides the offensive firepower that will help the system run and flourish in the role where Green was subpar.

Bulls take a flier on a young disappointment and get off of LaVine's salary long-term.

I'm honestly not sure there's much of a market for either player so one takes the young, rebuilding guy and the other takes the vet.

Ehhhhhhhhhhh

If LaVine was healthy, this is fine (you're getting Jalen Green's best case scenario with the cost being having to take on a lot of money), but this is just too much for the Rockets to take on at this point and this could become an extremely bad contract.

I think an asset or two has to go back to Houston here.

babyjax13 wrote:I think an asset or two has to go back to Houston here.

Yeah I don't think Jalen has much value but atp LaVine has negative value

Chicago tried to trade Lavine for Jalen Green before the deadline and the Rockets turned it down.
I doubt anything has changed.

If you think the Bulls just want to dump Lavine, then the question is, even at the bargain basement price why in the heck does HOU even want him? Have they got some master plan that he'll be at least very good for 2 years and then not take his $48M option?

It makes no sense. HOU has to believe he delivers a 25ppg SG who spreads the floor or no matter the buyout guys that get sent to CHI as salary matches, so why does HOU think the Bulls are going to see they're better off Green low cost but needing to get to his full potential and Tate, long on promise that he may or may not fulfill.

The Bulls might as well gauge the comeback of Lonzo Ball, keep going with Lavine, White and Dosunmu and maybe sign a low cost PG. Then wait to see how much Lavine does that attracts a better offer in the next 2 years.

Great trade. I think it works for both teams.

I think this highlights some of the challenges in trading LaVine. The Bulls have 11 players under contract for next season not including LaVine. They have a first round pick, and by all accounts they'd like to re-sign DeRozan and potentially even Drummond too.

Making this trade puts them at 15 players, and that's without DeRozan, Drummond, or their 1st round pick.

They do have some non-guranteed or partially guranteed guys like Bitim and Taylor who they could release to create some roster space but it's still a lot.

Tanking on 4 players is often necessary in order for a team to be able to take in LaVine due to his contract size, but it creates additional complications from the Bulls side of things.

I like the idea and fit of LaVine with the Rockets - I just think Houston and Chicago are bad trade partners. Which means you're either looking at a deal not working, or needing to expand to include a third team which instantly makes it more complicated.

drosestruts wrote:I think this highlights some of the challenges in trading LaVine. The Bulls have 11 players under contract for next season not including LaVine. They have a first round pick, and by all accounts they'd like to re-sign DeRozan and potentially even Drummond too.

Making this trade puts them at 15 players, and that's without DeRozan, Drummond, or their 1st round pick.

They do have some non-guranteed or partially guranteed guys like Bitim and Taylor who they could release to create some roster space but it's still a lot.

Tanking on 4 players is often necessary in order for a team to be able to take in LaVine due to his contract size, but it creates additional complications from the Bulls side of things.

I like the idea and fit of LaVine with the Rockets - I just think Houston and Chicago are bad trade partners. Which means you're either looking at a deal not working, or needing to expand to include a third team which instantly makes it more complicated.

The 1 for 4 issue was a big problem for any mid-season deal, but much less of an issue for an offseason deal. Releasing guys like Bitim or Taylor just isn't a big deal. Chicago can go over 15 players while they sort some things out. Other teams will have some flexibility to just take on some players (either extra guys added in the deal or current Bulls players) straight up.

giberish wrote:

drosestruts wrote:I think this highlights some of the challenges in trading LaVine. The Bulls have 11 players under contract for next season not including LaVine. They have a first round pick, and by all accounts they'd like to re-sign DeRozan and potentially even Drummond too.

Making this trade puts them at 15 players, and that's without DeRozan, Drummond, or their 1st round pick.

They do have some non-guranteed or partially guranteed guys like Bitim and Taylor who they could release to create some roster space but it's still a lot.

Tanking on 4 players is often necessary in order for a team to be able to take in LaVine due to his contract size, but it creates additional complications from the Bulls side of things.

I like the idea and fit of LaVine with the Rockets - I just think Houston and Chicago are bad trade partners. Which means you're either looking at a deal not working, or needing to expand to include a third team which instantly makes it more complicated.

The 1 for 4 issue was a big problem for any mid-season deal, but much less of an issue for an offseason deal. Releasing guys like Bitim or Taylor just isn't a big deal. Chicago can go over 15 players while they sort some things out. Other teams will have some flexibility to just take on some players (either extra guys added in the deal or current Bulls players) straight up.

It's less of a problem, but it still is a problem if the Bulls like those 11 guys. Easier for us to say "release Taylor and Bitim" and even if I personally agree it could still be seen as an issue for the Bulls front office.

And while the money coming back is less than what's going out is it enough less to re-sign players they do like and/or eat some salary of a player they might not want (ex: Londale).

I don't have any issues with the value of the trade - I just think they're bad trade partners because of these minor complications

babyjax13 wrote:I think an asset or two has to go back to Houston here.

What kind of asset? Could it be made up for by sending Tate to a 3rd team and giving the asset to Houston?

babyjax13 wrote:I think an asset or two has to go back to Houston here.

I think the assets go the other direction to Chicago.
LaVine is a known commodity.
Chicago is getting 3 role players that most likely aren’t with them at the end of next season. Chicago is banking on J. Green being good enough or improving with a change of scenery.
Comes down to the value difference of LaVine and Green.

I think Chicago is getting a good enough deal, and saving enough money, to not hesitate in just buying Landale out here. I mean that’s 8 mil lost versus probanly 60? saved? Green long term contract unknown, but save to say it’s 15-20 million less a year than LaVine’s..

Or you act as a contract dumping grounds and see what team wants to dump 20-25~ mil in a Londale+JeffGreen package and open a roster spot.

Just seems like a no brainer for Chicago. And I don’t like Green.

Houston wouldn’t do it.

jayjaysee wrote:I think Chicago is getting a good enough deal, and saving enough money, to not hesitate in just buying Landale out here. I mean that’s 8 mil lost versus probanly 60? saved? Green long term contract unknown, but save to say it’s 15-20 million less a year than LaVine’s..

Or you act as a contract dumping grounds and see what team wants to dump 20-25~ mil in a Londale+JeffGreen package and open a roster spot.

Just seems like a no brainer for Chicago. And I don’t like Green.

Houston wouldn’t do it.

Is it short by 12th Overall or is that swinging it too far the other way? LaVine is better than Green

Would Heat do something around LaVine for Herro? Expensive but Herro is himself and it's a win now upgrade for them. Think I'd be more interested in Herro than LaVine who I'm pretty much just out on. A bit cheaper, younger, one less year on his deal
Heat might not be able to aggregate salary to match tho idk their apron situation

Jalen Green has underwhelmed but he is still a positive asset. Zach LaVine is a negative asset. So either Green has to be taken out of this deal or more value has to go to Houston here.

NYG wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:I think Chicago is getting a good enough deal, and saving enough money, to not hesitate in just buying Landale out here. I mean that’s 8 mil lost versus probanly 60? saved? Green long term contract unknown, but save to say it’s 15-20 million less a year than LaVine’s..

Or you act as a contract dumping grounds and see what team wants to dump 20-25~ mil in a Londale+JeffGreen package and open a roster spot.

Just seems like a no brainer for Chicago. And I don’t like Green.

Houston wouldn’t do it.

Is it short by 12th Overall or is that swinging it too far the other way? LaVine is better than Green

I think that’s too far personally, Green hasn’t been good and he’ll be on an MLE sized last year of his contract.. Still worth more than Zach, but not a lottery pick.

Zach is better than Green, but he’s also 29 years old and paid like a top 20 player the next 3 years.

I’d say the Portland first? It’s minor but you get to say you got a first for Green1

K_chile22 wrote:Would Heat do something around LaVine for Herro? Expensive but Herro is himself and it's a win now upgrade for them. Think I'd be more interested in Herro than LaVine who I'm pretty much just out on. A bit cheaper, younger, one less year on his deal
Heat might not be able to aggregate salary to match tho idk their apron situation

Rozier and Herro for LaVine should save enough to stay under the apron.

Not sure how that deal actually gets built up, but id rather have Herro honestly at this point, so would want something small going back to Miami..

K_chile22 wrote:Would Heat do something around LaVine for Herro? Expensive but Herro is himself and it's a win now upgrade for them. Think I'd be more interested in Herro than LaVine who I'm pretty much just out on. A bit cheaper, younger, one less year on his deal
Heat might not be able to aggregate salary to match tho idk their apron situation

What if the Portland 1st were added to OP as suggested above?

NYG wrote:Houston gets:
Zach LaVine

Chicago gets:
Jalen Green
Jeff Green
Jock Landale
Jae'Sean Tate

Houston gets what they needed out of Jalen Green in Zach LaVine. He provides the offensive firepower that will help the system run and flourish in the role where Green was subpar.

Bulls take a flier on a young disappointment and get off of LaVine's salary long-term.

I'm honestly not sure there's much of a market for either player so one takes the young, rebuilding guy and the other takes the vet.

What about adding ...

Lottery Protected Trail Blazers 1st to Houston with Jae'Sean Tate going to Utah and 31 going to Houston as well?

Houston gets:
Zach LaVine
Conditional Trail Blazers First Round Pick (via Chicago)
31st Overall Pick (via Utah)

Chicago gets:
Jalen Green
Jeff Green
Jock Landale

Utah gets:
Jae'Sean Tate