What I think a realistic Jazz offseason looks like

[babyjax13]

Early offseason (pre-draft & draft)

I think Utah looks to trade both Clarkson and Collins, hopefully by draft-day. One of them really needs to be a salary dump so that we can R+E Lauri. Inspired by trades on this board (please take credit if they were your ideas):

Pre-draft trades:

UTA trades: Jordan Clarkson
LAL trades: Gabe Vincent, 2025 LAC 2nd, 2027 LAL 1st changed from 1-4 protected to top 2 protected
The Lakers get a guy who has been healthy and who can add some instant offense off their bench. Utah gets a bit more upside on the pick they already own + a 2nd.

Draft (just used ESPN's 'best remaining players' page):
Focus on drafting wings and big guards who can rebound. These are just some fill-ins.
9. Stephon Castle ($5.76 [120%] million rookie scale)
29. Dillon Jones ($2.5 [120%] million rookie scale)
31. Pacome Dadiet ($1.16 million rookie minimum)

Post-draft:

UTA trades: John Collins, 2025 1st (lowest of UTA/CLE/MIN conveyed)
DET trades: 2028 NYK 2nd, 2029 MIL 2nd, 2030 MIN 2nd
Detroit gets a professional who can help stretch the court, who can rim-run, and who adds some secondary rim protection. They also get a first. Of course, they have to eat Collins' contract. Utah clears two years of Collins and opens up cap space to renegotiate and extend Collins. To do so, we almost have to dump either Collins or Clarkson. If it is Clarkson, we won't have cap space to do any more than R+E Lauri and sign the rookies, so I think Collins is a better move for us.

ORL trades: Joe Ingles
UTA trades: fake 2nd
Utah brings Joe home, Orlando drops some salary to make a run at someone who can complete their core.

Free Agency:
Renegotiate and Extend Lauri Markkenen to a contract totaling $44 million per year over 5 years

Logic: Lauri would be eligible in 2024/25 for a deal starting at $44,070,804 per year with 8% raises for up to 5 years. The value of this contract would be $258,545,821. However, if you look at what the next 5 years would be (including this season) he would earn $216,632,523. Utah can renegotiate and extend Lauri in a way that earns him more money over the next 5 years while also reducing the yearly commitment after next year. e.g., they could increase his salary to $44 million per year over 5 years ($220 million) where his final year of $44 million would be $10 million less than a standard max contract signed the year after. So, I'm going to assume that this is the deal we sign.


Depth chart:
Keyonte George 30/Collin Sexton 18/Vincent
Stephon Castle 24/Brice Sensabaugh 14/Collin Sexton 10
Lauri Markkenen 18/Joe Ingles 20/Dillon Jones 10
Taylor Hendricks 28/Lauri Markkenen 20
Walker Kessler 28/Omer Yurtseven 20

Gleague: Pacome Dadiet

Utah takes a clear step back in competitiveness while retaining Lauri on a reasonable contract, one that leaves open optionality for trades. They also open up minutes to feature their young players and get an idea of who should stick vs. not.

[Dan Z]

Do Markkanen and Sexton want to stick around for another year of tanking?

[HadAnEffectHere]

Do Markkanen and Sexton want to stick around for another year of tanking?

No, but they'll probably be moved at the deadline.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Not exactly sure why Orlando moves Ingles for a fake 2nd when hes on a TO next season. If Orlando truly wanted to make additional space (which I don’t think there’s a realistic reason why they would) they will simply decline his option.

Also, Orlando has around 41M in space while keeping Ingles that has proven to be an awesome vet that everyone enjoys playing with. I don’t see Orlando trading him unless it was apart of a bigger move where his salary was needed.

[SkyHook]

Do Markkanen and Sexton want to stick around for another year of tanking?

No, but they'll probably be moved at the deadline.

Markannen can’t be moved at the deadline if he’s extended.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Do Markkanen and Sexton want to stick around for another year of tanking?

No, but they'll probably be moved at the deadline.

Markannen can’t be moved at the deadline if he’s extended.

Yes he can. Six months.

[jayjaysee]

No, but they'll probably be moved at the deadline.

Markannen can’t be moved at the deadline if he’s extended.

Yes he can. Six months.

Six months after August 28th is after the trade deadline unless the season is pushed back

[HadAnEffectHere]

Markannen can’t be moved at the deadline if he’s extended.

Yes he can. Six months.

Six months after August 28th is after the trade deadline unless the season is pushed back

Is there some technicality I'm missing for why they couldn't extend him July 4th.

[Residual-Heat]

Not exactly sure why Orlando moves Ingles for a fake 2nd when hes on a TO next season. If Orlando truly wanted to make additional space (which I don’t think there’s a realistic reason why they would) they will simply decline his option.

Also, Orlando has around 41M in space while keeping Ingles that has proven to be an awesome vet that everyone enjoys playing with. I don’t see Orlando trading him unless it was apart of a bigger move where his salary was needed.

Also Ingles is already home. He moved his family to Orlando if im not mistaken.

For the rest of the trades, IDK i think Vincent is a better fit for the Lakers than Clarkson. Collins to Detroit seems like a decent deal though.

[mg]

Yes he can. Six months.

Six months after August 28th is after the trade deadline unless the season is pushed back

Is there some technicality I'm missing for why they couldn't extend him July 4th.

He signed his previous contract August 28th, 2021 so isn't eligible for extension until Aug 28,2024 per CBA, or at least that is my understanding. He sat in FA all summer long and Cavs finally signed him to that bargain deal in a s&t from Chicago on Aug 28th which seems crazy now. Utah's hands are a little tied since they would need to keep the cap space to extend him + wait until '25 offseason to deal him if they do extend. Lauri makes it a bit more difficult to "tank" for the high ceiling prospects in the '25/'26 drafts too.

Ainge really needs to make some decisions and pick a direction this offseason. Having a nice little team that tanks after the deadline for the 9th pick won't cut it again.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Six months after August 28th is after the trade deadline unless the season is pushed back

Is there some technicality I'm missing for why they couldn't extend him July 4th.

He signed his previous contract August 28th, 2021 so isn't eligible for extension until Aug 28,2024 per CBA, or at least that is my understanding. He sat in FA all summer long and Cavs finally signed him to that bargain deal in a s&t from Chicago on Aug 28th which seems crazy now. Utah's hands are a little tied since they would need to keep the cap space to extend him + wait until '25 offseason to deal him if they do extend. Lauri makes it a bit more difficult to "tank" for the high ceiling prospects in the '25/'26 drafts too.

Ainge really needs to make some decisions and pick a direction this offseason. Having a nice little team that tanks after the deadline for the 9th pick won't cut it again.

? He was eligible for an extension starting August 28th, 2023?

[mg]

Is there some technicality I'm missing for why they couldn't extend him July 4th.

He signed his previous contract August 28th, 2021 so isn't eligible for extension until Aug 28,2024 per CBA, or at least that is my understanding. He sat in FA all summer long and Cavs finally signed him to that bargain deal in a s&t from Chicago on Aug 28th which seems crazy now. Utah's hands are a little tied since they would need to keep the cap space to extend him + wait until '25 offseason to deal him if they do extend. Lauri makes it a bit more difficult to "tank" for the high ceiling prospects in the '25/'26 drafts too.

Ainge really needs to make some decisions and pick a direction this offseason. Having a nice little team that tanks after the deadline for the 9th pick won't cut it again.

? He was eligible for an extension starting August 28th, 2023?

August 28, 2024

[HadAnEffectHere]

He signed his previous contract August 28th, 2021 so isn't eligible for extension until Aug 28,2024 per CBA, or at least that is my understanding. He sat in FA all summer long and Cavs finally signed him to that bargain deal in a s&t from Chicago on Aug 28th which seems crazy now. Utah's hands are a little tied since they would need to keep the cap space to extend him + wait until '25 offseason to deal him if they do extend. Lauri makes it a bit more difficult to "tank" for the high ceiling prospects in the '25/'26 drafts too.

Ainge really needs to make some decisions and pick a direction this offseason. Having a nice little team that tanks after the deadline for the 9th pick won't cut it again.

? He was eligible for an extension starting August 28th, 2023?

August 28, 2024

I don't understand why his extension date would be so late?

"Eligibility starts on the second signing anniversary of a three or four-year contract or the third signing anniversary of a five or six-year deal."

He signed a four year deal and thus became eligible August 28th, 2023 (two years after he signed the four year deal)

https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/when-is-a-player-eligible-for-an-extension/

[jayjaysee]

? He was eligible for an extension starting August 28th, 2023?

August 28, 2024

I don't understand why his extension date would be so late?

"Eligibility starts on the second signing anniversary of a three or four-year contract or the third signing anniversary of a five or six-year deal."

He signed a four year deal and thus became eligible August 28th, 2023 (two years after he signed the four year deal)

https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/when-is-a-player-eligible-for-an-extension/

Renegotiations have always had to wait until the third year. Extensions are different rules.

But the rules have changee, previously he’d have been trade eligible as long as the extended years didn’t include over a 5% increase/decrease. Which would be pretty easy to avoid, given they can give him a 25 million dollar increase on year one..

[Dan Z]

Six months after August 28th is after the trade deadline unless the season is pushed back

Is there some technicality I'm missing for why they couldn't extend him July 4th.

He signed his previous contract August 28th, 2021 so isn't eligible for extension until Aug 28,2024 per CBA, or at least that is my understanding. He sat in FA all summer long and Cavs finally signed him to that bargain deal in a s&t from Chicago on Aug 28th which seems crazy now. Utah's hands are a little tied since they would need to keep the cap space to extend him + wait until '25 offseason to deal him if they do extend. Lauri makes it a bit more difficult to "tank" for the high ceiling prospects in the '25/'26 drafts too.

Ainge really needs to make some decisions and pick a direction this offseason. Having a nice little team that tanks after the deadline for the 9th pick won't cut it again.

Does this mean they could trade him at or around the draft? Then the team who gets him has to hope that he re-signs (which I guess is similar to OG to NY or Pascal to Indiana).

[jayjaysee]

Is there some technicality I'm missing for why they couldn't extend him July 4th.

He signed his previous contract August 28th, 2021 so isn't eligible for extension until Aug 28,2024 per CBA, or at least that is my understanding. He sat in FA all summer long and Cavs finally signed him to that bargain deal in a s&t from Chicago on Aug 28th which seems crazy now. Utah's hands are a little tied since they would need to keep the cap space to extend him + wait until '25 offseason to deal him if they do extend. Lauri makes it a bit more difficult to "tank" for the high ceiling prospects in the '25/'26 drafts too.

Ainge really needs to make some decisions and pick a direction this offseason. Having a nice little team that tanks after the deadline for the 9th pick won't cut it again.

Does this mean they could trade him at or around the draft? Then the team who gets him has to hope that he re-signs (which I guess is similar to OG to NY or Pascal to Indiana).

Min salary is 127 mil. So a team could leave 14 mil cap space through December and renegotiate him to a similar deal as Sabonis got. But a lot of risk there.

[PistolPeteJR]

The Lakers don't need another guard who can score but can't defend. Easy pass for them. They'd rather go for a two-way or use a 1st in tandem with a DLo S&T or something. At worst, they bring back DLo and keep Vincent, who they've desperately needed as a POA defender who can also score all year. That's been their biggest weakness this year, their perimeter defense. Between Vincent and Vando missing the entire season pretty much, it's been a nightmare for them and has really put their defense on skates.

[BK_2020]

A realistic Jazz offseason looks like Ainge almost signing big free agents or trading for them but ends up with a bunch of 5'10 guards and 6'5, 300lb centers.

[daoneandonly]

WIll Utah in fact make selections on all 3 picks? Combine to move up maybe?

I know its likely wishful homer thinking on my end, but if they'd take Josh Green into cap space for the least favorable of the 3 picks, I'd want to do that as a Mavs fan.

[MoneyTalks41890]

So the timing on the Lauri stuff really only presents two scenarios:

1. Jazz keep Lauri at least through next season
2. Jazz trade an expiring Lauri with real complications about resigning him for the new team

Is there another?