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Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 4:45 pm
by louc1970
Because it was mentioned in a previous thread about moving Booker:
Suns trade Booker
Suns receive Richards, Micic, Bridges (4yr/$90)
Suns get a PG in Micic, allow Beal to be the 2G, get Bridges as a SF/PF to run with Durant. Suns save a few million. Start a nice regrouping if they can off-load Beal. phoenix is going to need players (role players).
Micic, Beal, Bridges, Durrant, Richards
Hornets trade Bridges, Richards, Micic
Hornets receive Ingram
Putting Ingram with Ball and Miller and potential top 5 pick would be a major coupe.
Ball, Miller, Ingram, (lotto Pick Risacher), Williams
Pelicans trade Ingram
Pelicans receive Booker
Booker, Williamson, Jones, Murphy, with a potential pick of Collier (late lottery) and then Chomche (late first round) gives Pelicans a different dynamic that could produce for the next several years.
Teams further enhanced if Suns can offload Beal and the Pelicans can move McCollum.
Phoenix is heading nowhere with the current aged lineup. Beal at $50m for 18 points is just bad for Phoenix.
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 5:24 pm
by psman2
I got this Booker>>>Ingram>>SNT Bridges>than Micic and Richards(both only worth 2nds).
Suns need a lot more here, mostly from Charlotte but some from Pelicans too.
Charlotte really has no place in this trade.
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 5:34 pm
by hcsilla
louc1970 wrote:Phoenix is heading nowhere with the current aged lineup. Beal at $50m for 18 points is just bad for Phoenix.
Yeah, and the solution is trading Booker for (very) minor pieces.
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 5:37 pm
by louc1970
psman2 wrote:I got this Booker>>>Ingram>>SNT Bridges>than Micic and Richards(both only worth 2nds).
Suns need a lot more here, mostly from Charlotte but some from Pelicans too.
Charlotte really has no place in this trade.
How do you fix/improve/equal the trade?
The money being pretty close ($3-4m either way), Charlotte could add one of Nick Smith/ Seth Curry/Cody Martin/2nd rounders.
Pelicans could offer up Hawkins, Liddel, maybe worse 24 FRP.
Statistically Ingram/Bridges are very close. Add in Booker:
21.5 - 21.4 pts 27.5
7.4 - 4.9 boards 4.6
3.3 - 5.8 assists 7.0
37.7% - 36.1% 3s 37.1%
53.4% - 53.3% eFG% 55.1%
Phoenix gets Bridges plus rotational pieces. Booker alone is not going to win much. What will Durrant/Beal return if traded?
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 5:42 pm
by Euphonetiks
Value is way off here. Suns are getting robbed blind. The Suns aren’t giving up Booker for role players. Even cutting out the Hornets, Suns wouldn’t even consider Booker for Ingram, but if they did, the Pels would have to add considerable assets to make it happen.
Booker >>>>Ingram >>>>>>>>>>>>>Micic/Bridges/Richards
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 6:34 pm
by psman2
louc1970 wrote:psman2 wrote:I got this Booker>>>Ingram>>SNT Bridges>than Micic and Richards(both only worth 2nds).
Suns need a lot more here, mostly from Charlotte but some from Pelicans too.
Charlotte really has no place in this trade.
How do you fix/improve/equal the trade?
The money being pretty close ($3-4m either way), Charlotte could add one of Nick Smith/ Seth Curry/Cody Martin/2nd rounders.
Pelicans could offer up Hawkins, Liddel, maybe worse 24 FRP.
Statistically Ingram/Bridges are very close. Add in Booker:
21.5 - 21.4 pts 27.5
7.4 - 4.9 boards 4.6
3.3 - 5.8 assists 7.0
37.7% - 36.1% 3s 37.1%
53.4% - 53.3% eFG% 55.1%
Phoenix gets Bridges plus rotational pieces. Booker alone is not going to win much. What will Durrant/Beal return if traded?
Phoenix could trade Booker into pure cap space and 4+ 1sts to a team like Det....they then turn that trade into a 3way sending a single 1st and maybe some 2nds for Bridges SNT/Micic/Richards.
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 6:54 pm
by theBigLip
Booker is not getting traded. Durant would get moved first
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 7:35 pm
by HornetJail
lol i wish
this isn't even netting us Ingram
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 8:08 pm
by Mrakar
Pels owe 3 first rounders and 3 swaps here, Hornets 2 probably. And Suns would still probably decline.
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 8:33 pm
by Slim Charless
louc1970 wrote:psman2 wrote:I got this Booker>>>Ingram>>SNT Bridges>than Micic and Richards(both only worth 2nds).
Suns need a lot more here, mostly from Charlotte but some from Pelicans too.
Charlotte really has no place in this trade.
How do you fix/improve/equal the trade?
The money being pretty close ($3-4m either way), Charlotte could add one of Nick Smith/ Seth Curry/Cody Martin/2nd rounders.
Pelicans could offer up Hawkins, Liddel, maybe worse 24 FRP.
Statistically Ingram/Bridges are very close. Add in Booker:
21.5 - 21.4 pts 27.5
7.4 - 4.9 boards 4.6
3.3 - 5.8 assists 7.0
37.7% - 36.1% 3s 37.1%
53.4% - 53.3% eFG% 55.1%
Phoenix gets Bridges plus rotational pieces. Booker alone is not going to win much. What will Durrant/Beal return if traded?
This trade is bad and you should feel bad. Not just as a poster on RealGM, but as a human being. This trade proposal makes you a bad person. Ethically, spiritually as well physically.
You are a bad person.
Equal to some of the folks that occupy both American prisons and prisons that are around the world.
I'm not saying the government should kick in your front door and jail you for posting this....but I'm not NOT saying it either.
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 8:34 pm
by Mike lorenzo
think that half the league will easily beat that offer... Booker is worth much more... The Suns have not stopped shooting themselves in the foot, shortening their window incomprehensibly... changing your boy entering his prime to better satisfy/adjust your new acquired aged superstar would be too.. They could (I would like to) move KD+Nurkic to the Knicks for Randle+Robinson+Bojan+ 3 FRP.... The Suns keep Randle/Robinson and could use the expiration of Bojan+Little+Rody and the FRP to fill out the team with guys like Caruso/Bridges etc.
Bojan+ FRP for Bridges
Rody+Little+FRP for Caruso
Beal/Caruso
Booker/G.Allen
Bridges/Royce
Randle
Robinson
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 9:50 pm
by Texas Chuck
Slim Charless wrote:louc1970 wrote:psman2 wrote:I got this Booker>>>Ingram>>SNT Bridges>than Micic and Richards(both only worth 2nds).
Suns need a lot more here, mostly from Charlotte but some from Pelicans too.
Charlotte really has no place in this trade.
How do you fix/improve/equal the trade?
The money being pretty close ($3-4m either way), Charlotte could add one of Nick Smith/ Seth Curry/Cody Martin/2nd rounders.
Pelicans could offer up Hawkins, Liddel, maybe worse 24 FRP.
Statistically Ingram/Bridges are very close. Add in Booker:
21.5 - 21.4 pts 27.5
7.4 - 4.9 boards 4.6
3.3 - 5.8 assists 7.0
37.7% - 36.1% 3s 37.1%
53.4% - 53.3% eFG% 55.1%
Phoenix gets Bridges plus rotational pieces. Booker alone is not going to win much. What will Durrant/Beal return if traded?
This trade is bad and you should feel bad. Not just as a poster on RealGM, but as a human being. This trade proposal makes you a bad person. Ethically, spiritually as well physically.
You are a bad person.
Equal to some of the folks that occupy both American prisons and prisons that are around the world.
I'm not saying the government should kick in your front door and jail you for posting this....but I'm not NOT saying it either.
I am going to suggest after your lengthy timeout you re-consider how you participate here. This is absolutely not going to be tolerated. Your inability to handle trade suggestions with any maturity at all reflects poorly only on you.
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 10:23 pm
by JustBuzzin
Charlotte could probably get Ingram for Bridges straight up sign n trade.
Before you laugh you have to factor health. Bridges is a at the top of the league in minutes played per game. Ingram is gonna miss at least 20 games a season
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Wed Apr 3, 2024 12:50 am
by Diop
psman2 wrote:I got this Booker>>>Ingram>>SNT Bridges>than Micic and Richards(both only worth 2nds).
Suns need a lot more here, mostly from Charlotte but some from Pelicans too.
Charlotte really has no place in this trade.
and yet Charlotte are the ones paying for Booker?
If Phoenix did weirdly want that package, why wouldn't Charlotte take Booker for themselves???
Putting I̶n̶g̶r̶a̶m̶ Booker with Ball and Miller and potential top 5 pick would be a major coupe
I'd offer the top 5 pick this year as well if it thought Phoenix would consider it. (But they wouldn't)
Ingram doesn't excite me for Charlotte at all.
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Wed Apr 3, 2024 1:31 pm
by louc1970
psman2 wrote:louc1970 wrote:psman2 wrote:I got this Booker>>>Ingram>>SNT Bridges>than Micic and Richards(both only worth 2nds).
Suns need a lot more here, mostly from Charlotte but some from Pelicans too.
Charlotte really has no place in this trade.
How do you fix/improve/equal the trade?
The money being pretty close ($3-4m either way), Charlotte could add one of Nick Smith/ Seth Curry/Cody Martin/2nd rounders.
Pelicans could offer up Hawkins, Liddel, maybe worse 24 FRP.
Statistically Ingram/Bridges are very close. Add in Booker:
21.5 - 21.4 pts 27.5
7.4 - 4.9 boards 4.6
3.3 - 5.8 assists 7.0
37.7% - 36.1% 3s 37.1%
53.4% - 53.3% eFG% 55.1%
Phoenix gets Bridges plus rotational pieces. Booker alone is not going to win much. What will Durrant/Beal return if traded?
Phoenix could trade Booker into pure cap space and 4+ 1sts to a team like Det....they then turn that trade into a 3way sending a single 1st and maybe some 2nds for Bridges SNT/Micic/Richards.
And if I am Hornets, I am not giving away Bridges for 1 FRP and seconds.
Issues and all, he is very good.
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Wed Apr 3, 2024 1:37 pm
by louc1970
Mike lorenzo wrote:think that half the league will easily beat that offer... Booker is worth much more... The Suns have not stopped shooting themselves in the foot, shortening their window incomprehensibly... changing your boy entering his prime to better satisfy/adjust your new acquired aged superstar would be too.. They could (I would like to) move KD+Nurkic to the Knicks for Randle+Robinson+Bojan+ 3 FRP.... The Suns keep Randle/Robinson and could use the expiration of Bojan+Little+Rody and the FRP to fill out the team with guys like Caruso/Bridges etc.
Bojan+ FRP for Bridges
Rody+Little+FRP for Caruso
Beal/Caruso
Booker/G.Allen
Bridges/Royce
Randle
Robinson
Durant at 35 is no longer pulling 3 FROs unless they are late picks. He is now 6 years away from GSW and has been teamed with Irving, Booker, and either failed to make the playoffs or struggled to past the play-in round.
I am not paying that price for a player that is mailing it in.
I would trade for the players, but not giving those picks.
Once the Suns realize they have nothing but Booker and an aged overpriced team, they will make those trades as Booker will be asking out.
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Wed Apr 3, 2024 1:40 pm
by louc1970
JustBuzzin wrote:Charlotte could probably get Ingram for Bridges straight up sign n trade.
Before you laugh you have to factor health. Bridges is a at the top of the league in minutes played per game. Ingram is gonna miss at least 20 games a season
I originally was headed in that direction with the add on being Booker for Zion/Daniels.
Suns team would be better suited allowing neither Beal or Booker to be the PG.
However it would be a prop to Charlotte to bring home Ingram.
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Wed Apr 3, 2024 8:05 pm
by Slim Charless
Texas Chuck wrote:Slim Charless wrote:louc1970 wrote:How do you fix/improve/equal the trade?
The money being pretty close ($3-4m either way), Charlotte could add one of Nick Smith/ Seth Curry/Cody Martin/2nd rounders.
Pelicans could offer up Hawkins, Liddel, maybe worse 24 FRP.
Statistically Ingram/Bridges are very close. Add in Booker:
21.5 - 21.4 pts 27.5
7.4 - 4.9 boards 4.6
3.3 - 5.8 assists 7.0
37.7% - 36.1% 3s 37.1%
53.4% - 53.3% eFG% 55.1%
Phoenix gets Bridges plus rotational pieces. Booker alone is not going to win much. What will Durrant/Beal return if traded?
This trade is bad and you should feel bad. Not just as a poster on RealGM, but as a human being. This trade proposal makes you a bad person. Ethically, spiritually as well physically.
You are a bad person.
Equal to some of the folks that occupy both American prisons and prisons that are around the world.
I'm not saying the government should kick in your front door and jail you for posting this....but I'm not NOT saying it either.
I am going to suggest after your lengthy timeout you re-consider how you participate here. This is absolutely not going to be tolerated. Your inability to handle trade suggestions with any maturity at all reflects poorly only on you.
It was a joke. I was gonna use the green font but I assumed that it was plainly obvious that my wildly over the top response would make it known.
I do not think that a trade suggestion on RealGM deserves prison time or is equal to someone commenting murder.
Figured everyone reading that would understand. It's called:
"tongue-in-cheek" or satire.
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Wed Apr 3, 2024 8:27 pm
by Slim Charless
louc1970 wrote:Mike lorenzo wrote:think that half the league will easily beat that offer... Booker is worth much more... The Suns have not stopped shooting themselves in the foot, shortening their window incomprehensibly... changing your boy entering his prime to better satisfy/adjust your new acquired aged superstar would be too.. They could (I would like to) move KD+Nurkic to the Knicks for Randle+Robinson+Bojan+ 3 FRP.... The Suns keep Randle/Robinson and could use the expiration of Bojan+Little+Rody and the FRP to fill out the team with guys like Caruso/Bridges etc.
Bojan+ FRP for Bridges
Rody+Little+FRP for Caruso
Beal/Caruso
Booker/G.Allen
Bridges/Royce
Randle
Robinson
Durant at 35 is no longer pulling 3 FROs unless they are late picks. He is now 6 years away from GSW and has been teamed with Irving, Booker, and either failed to make the playoffs or struggled to past the play-in round.
I am not paying that price for a player that is mailing it in.
I would trade for the players, but not giving those picks.
Once the Suns realize they have nothing but Booker and an aged overpriced team, they will make those trades as Booker will be asking out.
Not to Charlotte. Even if we'd take that bad trade offer. Which we wouldn't
Re: Suns/Hornets/Pelicans
Posted: Wed Apr 3, 2024 8:31 pm
by Texas Chuck
Slim Charless wrote:
It was a joke. I was gonna use the green font but I assumed that it was plainly obvious that my wildly over the top response would make it known.
I do not think that a trade suggestion on RealGM deserves prison time or is equal to someone commenting murder.
Figured everyone reading that would understand. It's called:
"tongue-in-cheek" or satire.
That's good. Unfortunately you have a track record of negative and aggressive posts across this site, so when you don't make it clear you are joking(and not a great joke fwiw) you aren't going to get the benefit of the doubt and we had multiple posters concerned about the tone of your post.
But we'll leave it at this since you had no ill-intentions. But let's stick to posting actual content in the future please.