Chicago & OKC: Patrick Williams for Josh Giddey

drosestruts · Post #1 » by **drosestruts** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 4:47 pm

Simple 1-for-1 trade that sees OKC using some of their cap space to take in Patrick Williams on a sign and trade deal while sending Josh Giddye to Chicago.

Chicago in: Josh Giddey

OKC in: Patrick Williams (sign and trade - your guess is as good as mine as to how big his contract will be but OKC has the cap space to make it work I imagine)

Why for Chicago:

Chicago has a glut of guards that I do think are talented (White, Ayo, LaVine, Caruso - maybe Ball) but could benefit from a point-forward type player like Giddey who can help with creation rather than overly relying on guards for creating. There's cap benefits for the Bulls as well who will likely again be flirting with the tax line as Giddey for this year will be cheaper than Williams.

It's been an up and down season for Giddey - his play in March seems like it'd fit perfectly for Chicago's needs - 16-7-5 on very good efficiency from a 6'8" wing.

Why for OKC:

Is Giddey the best compliment to their core players? I'd argue no. Patrick Williams brings wing size, better shooting, and better defense. A career 41% 3-point shooter who graded out last season as the best iso defender in the entire NBA sounds like someone would could slot in very well to the OKC lineup.

Bonus points - it'd be hilarious for OKC to add another Williams.

hugepatsfan · Post #2 » by **hugepatsfan** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:01 pm

PWill isn't good enough to return Giddey even if he were signed. Definitely not in a S&T.

meekrab · Post #3 » by **meekrab** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:10 pm

I think depending on their playoff results this year, of the players on the Bulls' roster OKC would be targetting Caruso.

Post #4 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:28 pm

I liked this much better at the deadline. Less in now under these terms.

BlazersBroncos · Post #5 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:45 pm

meekrab wrote:I think depending on their playoff results this year, of the players on the Bulls' roster OKC would be targetting Caruso.

They invested a lotto pick in Cason who is pretty 3/D centric, they have Dort who is 3/D centric, they also have SGA, Joe, Jalen and the highly underrated Wiggins at guard.

I love Caruso, but OKC is one of the few teams that he doesnt make sense on IMO.

babyjax13 · Post #6 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:58 pm

I love the general idea of this but agree OKC is owed a bit of value. It also obviously depends on the contract. PWill + Caruso for Giddey + a less desirable first might work well. That would give OKC elite defensive backups that can switch and fit 1-3. Trade Joe for a backup center?

Shai/Cason
Dort/Caruso/Shai
JDub/Dort/Hayward(?)
PWill/JDub/Holmgren
Holmgren/???/JWill

babyjax13 · Post #7 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:59 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
meekrab wrote:I think depending on their playoff results this year, of the players on the Bulls' roster OKC would be targetting Caruso.

They invested a lotto pick in Cason who is pretty 3/D centric, they have Dort who is 3/D centric, they also have SGA, Joe, Jalen and the highly underrated Wiggins at guard.

I love Caruso, but OKC is one of the few teams that he doesnt make sense on IMO.

I think they can make minutes for him and trade Joe for a backup center.

Mike lorenzo · Post #8 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 6:26 pm

I like P.Williams...but I think that if the Thunder trade Giddey it has to be for someone with a more secure production, someone more established, a type of equal level in the mold of Kuzma, Cam Johnson

Post #9 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 7:10 pm

It's just really, really difficult to make S&Ts for RFAs work. Not only does P. Will have to agree to a number and to go to OKC, but he has to agree not to sign any other offer sheet presented.

Also, OKC has the cap space to make matching an offer tough on the Bulls.

Also, OKC's biggest need is size in the frontcourt.

ChettheJet · Post #10 » by **ChettheJet** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 7:55 pm

Yes the Bulls have a glut of guards. And the Bulls still need a starting PF, they can't go another year with Caruso and Green playing 4 inches too small. So you're moving on from DeRozan, just what are you getting for him or just letting him walk?

You can't get a guard in return. If you get a C or a SF he's a backup. So you're basically limited to picks and a PF and that means wherever DeRozan wants to go has to have a PF and picks to send back. So you've dramatically limited your S&T partner options.

Those who act like OKC is giving up too much apparently don't place value on defense. Williams guards the guy with the hot hand, he's on the 1-4 and switches onto the 5. I don't know how strong Giddey rates on defense.

drosestruts · Post #11 » by **drosestruts** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 8:14 pm

ChettheJet wrote:Yes the Bulls have a glut of guards. And the Bulls still need a starting PF, they can't go another year with Caruso and Green playing 4 inches too small. So you're moving on from DeRozan, just what are you getting for him or just letting him walk?

You can't get a guard in return. If you get a C or a SF he's a backup. So you're basically limited to picks and a PF and that means wherever DeRozan wants to go has to have a PF and picks to send back. So you've dramatically limited your S&T partner options.

Those who act like OKC is giving up too much apparently don't place value on defense. Williams guards the guy with the hot hand, he's on the 1-4 and switches onto the 5. I don't know how strong Giddey rates on defense.

I didn't even mention DeRozan. This isn't a mock offseason post for the Bulls. This is simply a post about the idea of Williams for Giddey.

wemby · Post #12 » by **wemby** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 9:13 pm

I'd rather have Patrick Williams than Giddey, TBH

jayjaysee · Post #13 » by **jayjaysee** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 9:19 pm

When they both were under contract, Giddey had more value IMO. Now it’s too far off in favor of Chicago.

OKC can offer Williams a first year contract up to 30 million (or more if they trade Giddey) and get an asset for Giddey else where.

Slim Charless · Post #14 » by **Slim Charless** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 11:53 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:
meekrab wrote:I think depending on their playoff results this year, of the players on the Bulls' roster OKC would be targetting Caruso.

They invested a lotto pick in Cason who is pretty 3/D centric, they have Dort who is 3/D centric, they also have SGA, Joe, Jalen and the highly underrated Wiggins at guard.

I love Caruso, but OKC is one of the few teams that he doesnt make sense on IMO.

I think they can make minutes for him and trade Joe for a backup center.

OKC should be using Giddey and some of their plethora of picks to acquire bigger fish. Like KD if my Suns fail to make the playoffs.

louc1970 · Post #15 » by **louc1970** » Thu Apr 4, 2024 12:12 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:
meekrab wrote:I think depending on their playoff results this year, of the players on the Bulls' roster OKC would be targetting Caruso.

They invested a lotto pick in Cason who is pretty 3/D centric, they have Dort who is 3/D centric, they also have SGA, Joe, Jalen and the highly underrated Wiggins at guard.

I love Caruso, but OKC is one of the few teams that he doesnt make sense on IMO.

OKC should be looking to move Dort, Joe, Giddey, Wiggins for a PF or SF that fits after the draft.

babyjax13 · Post #16 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Apr 4, 2024 12:20 am

Slim Charless wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:
They invested a lotto pick in Cason who is pretty 3/D centric, they have Dort who is 3/D centric, they also have SGA, Joe, Jalen and the highly underrated Wiggins at guard.

I love Caruso, but OKC is one of the few teams that he doesnt make sense on IMO.

I think they can make minutes for him and trade Joe for a backup center.

OKC should be using Giddey and some of their plethora of picks to acquire bigger fish. Like KD if my Suns fail to make the playoffs.

Literally every team should trade their worse players for better players. But would PWill and picks be a fundamentally different offer than Giddey + picks in that scenario? I don't think it would be, OKC has plenty of flexibility to add value to a trade so if they can swap guys that don't fit their current roster with guys that do, they should pull the trigger.