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Kings out: Barnes, Huerter
Kings in: John Collins

Detroit out: Top 55 protected 2nd
Detroit in: Harrison Barnes

Utah out: Collins
Utah in: Huerter

Why for Sac? The team is going to attempt to resign Monk, maybe we get outbid, but hopefully we can convince him to come back to a great situation. With the emergence of Keon we have our back court hopefully situated. Collins is asked to play a Lyles type role in Sac, shoot the 3 ball, rebound, and move around Sabonis.
Fox - Keon - Keegan - Collins - Sabonis
Mitchell - Monk - Sasha - Lyles - Len

Why for Det? They want to be good, and are going to have massive amounts of space. The problem is FA isn't looking promising this year, and good chance a lot of the top names resign. They still have the money and space to go sign any big name they want (Tobias Harris?), and Barnes is on an affordable 2 year deal. You can start to see a team who has a Rockets like transformation next season
Cade - Ivey - Barnes - Tobias - Duran
Grimes - Thompson - Draft Pick -Fontecchio - Stewart

Why for Utah? Time to make space for the real front court of the future Kessler - Hendricks - Lauri. This team saves a good amount of money over the next 2 years and adds a shooter to the backcourt. This is a buy extremely low and rehab for Huerter.

If Sac does this, the other teams do.

Sac shouldn’t do this.. Utah would take Barnes here and not need to involve a third team really.

Jazz say YES! Collins has been nice on offense, but he's been the main anchor of the Jazz' toothless defense. They need to part ways, and Huerter can be a nice bench piece.

I'd rather cut the Kings out and not take back Huerter's contract. If that's not possible, this is fine, I'd just look to trade him later.

jayjaysee wrote:If Sac does this, the other teams do.

Sac shouldn’t do this.. Utah would take Barnes here and not need to involve a third team really.

Barnes is probably better, the same way that Huerter isn't a bad player either. I just don't see either of those guys as great fits for an evolving Sac team.

My goal is to put energetic, athletic, good defenders around Fox-Keegan-Sabonis. Collins isn't a defender, but he's athletic, can rebound, and run. At this point Barnes is really just a spot up shooter/iso interior guy. Collins checks off more boxes than Barnes for this team.

We also save almost 20 million over the next 2 seasons as we get ready to extend Keegan and hopefully resign Monk.

LightTheBeam wrote:Kings out: Barnes, Huerter
Kings in: John Collins

Detroit out: Top 55 protected 2nd
Detroit in: Harrison Barnes

Utah out: Collins
Utah in: Huerter

Why for Det? They want to be good, and are going to have massive amounts of space. The problem is FA isn't looking promising this year, and good chance a lot of the top names resign. They still have the money and space to go sign any big name they want (Tobias Harris?), and Barnes is on an affordable 2 year deal. You can start to see a team who has a Rockets like transformation next season
Cade - Ivey - Barnes - Tobias - Duran
Grimes - Thompson - Draft Pick -Fontecchio - Stewart

Not a bad proposal but just because Detroit has all this cap space to finally use, doesn’t mean then should just absorb others team’s average or bad contracts, and certainly not if the are not getting paid to do so. I actually like Barnes at the right price, but if he were a free agent, what would the Pistons offer? Probably less than his current contract.

So free agency isn’t in a down year - it has fundamentally changed. Good players sign extensions now and worry about movement later. So Pistons are likely to use their cap space in trades. They have $70M+ available. They will use some on Fontecchio and Wiseman, but have $60M or so after that. That should get them a couple of starters. Do they really want one of those to be Barnes? The other Harris? I hope that’s not Detroit’s offseason. Once some teams get eliminated in the play-in or first round, those teams will be looking to change their rosters. And the 2nd Apron is coming. I think Detroit needs to be patient and some good opportunities will fall to them.

This trade is ok but I’m pretty sure Detroit can and will do better.

babyjax13 wrote:I'd rather cut the Kings out and not take back Huerter's contract. If that's not possible, this is fine, I'd just look to trade him later.

How do you cut out kings when collins is going to kings?

Godaddycurse wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:I'd rather cut the Kings out and not take back Huerter's contract. If that's not possible, this is fine, I'd just look to trade him later.

How do you cut out kings when collins is going to kings?

By sending Collins to the Pistons instead of Barnes. I'd do Collins + 32 pretty easily, and that gets Detroit some floor spacing and veteran leadership + an early 2nd (or rather, the player drafted there). Beggars obviously can't be choosers, but some Pistons fans have liked that general framework.

The Pistons need Huerter a lot more than Barnes. No one needs Collins.

Is there a way for Detroit to cut out Utah and just absorb Barnes and Huerter themselves?

I don't understand this Detroit idea of ​​spending money on overpaid veterans who are past their prime and for several years...Melton/Okoro/P.Williams/Jalen Smith/Goga Bitadze seem like some more interesting guys to invest money in.. I would look to take expiring veterans in the THJ/PJ Tucker mold into space and get paid for it... However, I think there is a deal between Huerter+ (SRP) for I.Stewart that makes sense for both teams...

jbk1234 wrote:The Pistons need Huerter a lot more than Barnes. No one needs Collins.

Collins is fine in his correct role as an athletic 6th man, undersized 5 that can shoot 3's. He's a great lockerroom guy too. His remaining contract isn't great (2/$52 mil) but it's not going to kill you either. Ainge got him on the cheap last offseason to flip him which is why he's been starting in Utah when that should've been Kessler's job. The Hawks overpaid him so he will never have great value on that contract but he's still very serviceable as an athletic, shooting big who can finish strong on the pick and roll.

Mike lorenzo wrote:I don't understand this Detroit idea of ​​spending money on overpaid veterans who are past their prime and for several years...Melton/Okoro/P.Williams/Jalen Smith/Goga Bitadze seem like some more interesting guys to invest money in.. I would look to take expiring veterans in the THJ/PJ Tucker mold into space and get paid for it... However, I think there is a deal between Huerter+ (SRP) for I.Stewart that makes sense for both teams...

The idea would be to emulate what the Rockets did in signing Van Vleet and Brooks. Definitely "overpaid" but they're serious veterans who have brought a good mindset to a young team. The Rockets might not make the playoffs, but they've had a wildly successful year by just being able to go out and compete on any given night. They've still got all their young guys like Sengun, Smith, Thompson, Green, and still get to develop them. But instead of just being a total loser team, they're out there competing and trying to win.

Detroit could use a few "adults in the room"

jowglenn wrote:

Mike lorenzo wrote:I don't understand this Detroit idea of ​​spending money on overpaid veterans who are past their prime and for several years...Melton/Okoro/P.Williams/Jalen Smith/Goga Bitadze seem like some more interesting guys to invest money in.. I would look to take expiring veterans in the THJ/PJ Tucker mold into space and get paid for it... However, I think there is a deal between Huerter+ (SRP) for I.Stewart that makes sense for both teams...

The idea would be to emulate what the Rockets did in signing Van Vleet and Brooks. Definitely "overpaid" but they're serious veterans who have brought a good mindset to a young team. The Rockets might not make the playoffs, but they've had a wildly successful year by just being able to go out and compete on any given night. They've still got all their young guys like Sengun, Smith, Thompson, Green, and still get to develop them. But instead of just being a total loser team, they're out there competing and trying to win.

Detroit could use a few "adults in the room"

This is exactly what I was going for. And call me crazy, but if Barnes is overpaid in this market then its not by much. Hes shooting 48% from the field, and 40% from 3, the looks are just hard to come by in Sac. His rebounding is down, but that's due to Sabonis leading the league.

I don't see this as a bad use of resources for the Pistons to take him for 2 years at zero cost other than his contract.

theBigLip wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:Kings out: Barnes, Huerter
Kings in: John Collins

Detroit out: Top 55 protected 2nd
Detroit in: Harrison Barnes

Utah out: Collins
Utah in: Huerter

Why for Det? They want to be good, and are going to have massive amounts of space. The problem is FA isn't looking promising this year, and good chance a lot of the top names resign. They still have the money and space to go sign any big name they want (Tobias Harris?), and Barnes is on an affordable 2 year deal. You can start to see a team who has a Rockets like transformation next season
Cade - Ivey - Barnes - Tobias - Duran
Grimes - Thompson - Draft Pick -Fontecchio - Stewart

Not a bad proposal but just because Detroit has all this cap space to finally use, doesn’t mean then should just absorb others team’s average or bad contracts, and certainly not if the are not getting paid to do so. I actually like Barnes at the right price, but if he were a free agent, what would the Pistons offer? Probably less than his current contract.

So free agency isn’t in a down year - it has fundamentally changed. Good players sign extensions now and worry about movement later. So Pistons are likely to use their cap space in trades. They have $70M+ available. They will use some on Fontecchio and Wiseman, but have $60M or so after that. That should get them a couple of starters. Do they really want one of those to be Barnes? The other Harris? I hope that’s not Detroit’s offseason. Once some teams get eliminated in the play-in or first round, those teams will be looking to change their rosters. And the 2nd Apron is coming. I think Detroit needs to be patient and some good opportunities will fall to them.

This trade is ok but I’m pretty sure Detroit can and will do better.

That's fair I'm just curious who they can do better with? As you laid out, they are in a position to really go get two guys. After this trade they still have 40+ to work with. For instance lets say one of Mikal/Lauri become available, Detroit hasn't used a single asset and still has the cap space to absorb them.

Is your plan that the Pistons in this stage are going to try to go for two guys like that?

I'm just going based on what I read here, but fans seem to think even Kuzma/Grant type players will cost picks to obtain.

The Barnes/Tobias was just a suggestion that wouldn't cost them anything. Barnes + Lauri would be an even better outcome if he becomes available and Detroit is willing to pay for that.

jowglenn wrote:

Mike lorenzo wrote:I don't understand this Detroit idea of ​​spending money on overpaid veterans who are past their prime and for several years...Melton/Okoro/P.Williams/Jalen Smith/Goga Bitadze seem like some more interesting guys to invest money in.. I would look to take expiring veterans in the THJ/PJ Tucker mold into space and get paid for it... However, I think there is a deal between Huerter+ (SRP) for I.Stewart that makes sense for both teams...

The idea would be to emulate what the Rockets did in signing Van Vleet and Brooks. Definitely "overpaid" but they're serious veterans who have brought a good mindset to a young team. The Rockets might not make the playoffs, but they've had a wildly successful year by just being able to go out and compete on any given night. They've still got all their young guys like Sengun, Smith, Thompson, Green, and still get to develop them. But instead of just being a total loser team, they're out there competing and trying to win.

Detroit could use a few "adults in the room"

There’s no question that Houston is the model. But like Houston, they’d need to overpay current vet FAs outright just to get them to play in Detroit. Melton and Jalen Smith are nice, but when you talk the next tier (like FVV or even Brooks levels) it will get pricier and more years.

Instead, there are solid enough interim fits that aren’t egregiously priced that can also space for the current youth. Barnes/Huerter tandem works - bc first, I don’t think Kings get rid of Huerter for when beef stew without someone taking Barnes too. Second, both can space and at least play multiple positions.

CJ McCollum/John Collins is a pricier route that could work as well. Locker room vets who can fit with current core.

I prefer the Kings tandem route because Detroit could still sign a few FAs to round out roster (ie Melton/Smith) AND those vets are more moveable down the line given their propensity to space.

Duren
Barnes
Thompson
Cade
Ivey
Rookie, Melton, Smith, Grimes, Sasser bench core

Not shabby


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eitanr wrote:

jowglenn wrote:

Mike lorenzo wrote:I don't understand this Detroit idea of ​​spending money on overpaid veterans who are past their prime and for several years...Melton/Okoro/P.Williams/Jalen Smith/Goga Bitadze seem like some more interesting guys to invest money in.. I would look to take expiring veterans in the THJ/PJ Tucker mold into space and get paid for it... However, I think there is a deal between Huerter+ (SRP) for I.Stewart that makes sense for both teams...

The idea would be to emulate what the Rockets did in signing Van Vleet and Brooks. Definitely "overpaid" but they're serious veterans who have brought a good mindset to a young team. The Rockets might not make the playoffs, but they've had a wildly successful year by just being able to go out and compete on any given night. They've still got all their young guys like Sengun, Smith, Thompson, Green, and still get to develop them. But instead of just being a total loser team, they're out there competing and trying to win.

Detroit could use a few "adults in the room"

There’s no question that Houston is the model. But like Houston, they’d need to overpay current vet FAs outright just to get them to play in Detroit. Melton and Jalen Smith are nice, but when you talk the next tier (like FVV or even Brooks levels) it will get pricier and more years.

Instead, there are solid enough interim fits that aren’t egregiously priced that can also space for the current youth. Barnes/Huerter tandem works - bc first, I don’t think Kings get rid of Huerter for when beef stew without someone taking Barnes too. Second, both can space and at least play multiple positions.

CJ McCollum/John Collins is a pricier route that could work as well. Locker room vets who can fit with current core.

I prefer the Kings tandem route because Detroit could still sign a few FAs to round out roster (ie Melton/Smith) AND those vets are more moveable down the line given their propensity to space.

Duren
Barnes
Thompson
Cade
Ivey
Rookie, Melton, Smith, Grimes, Sasser bench core

Not shabby


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McNair should jump at the chance to trade Huerter for Beef Stew if higher tier options aren’t available.

Would consider it from a Pistons perspective if our plan A and plan B this off-season fall through.

Also, why does Barnes have such terrible on/off numbers this season at -9.1?

Detroit needs to get out of the business of using their cap space to take on other team’s bad contracts. Barnes is a decent player but doesn’t move the needle for Detroit. Additionally, his co Tracy is a negative based on his production. I also see him as a 3 and not a four. If Detroit was taken on his contract, they need a pick to do so. Detroit needs to acquire assets.

My personal opinion is to move a player like a Thompson or Ivey to get a higher quality player who can impact.