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Mobley lack of shooting isn’t ideal in Minnesota next to Gobert. BUT, he checks so many of the other boxes when trading Towns. Mobley is young (core fitting with Edwards), rookie contract (dollars and locked in) and upside to peak with Edwards. Add in Reid who can provide shooting off bench as 3rd big and Gobert mentoring Mobley to be full time center when he ages out - very attractive Towns trade outcome.

Cavs stub their toes in playoffs via shooting woes and Mitchell bolting becomes even more scary.

Lakers Trade:
Reaves + Rui + JHS + 29/31 1sts (+swaps as neeed)
FOR
Mitchell + Wolves Filler (Moore Jr, etc)
Why= all-in for Mitchell with James | Davis.

Cavs Trade:
Mobley + (expiring) Mitchell + LeVert
FOR
Towns + Reaves + Rui + 29/31 Lakers 1sts (+Lakers swaps as needed)
Why= shooting, shooting and more shooting. Towns is locked in as is Reaves.

Wolves Trade:
Towns + Filler
FOR
Mobley + JHS + LeVert
Why= see above.

That’s rough for CLE. Curious what Cavalier fans think.

Wolveswin wrote:Mobley lack of shooting isn’t ideal in Minnesota next to Gobert. BUT, he checks so many of the other boxes when trading Towns. Mobley is young (core fitting with Edwards), rookie contract (dollars and locked in) and upside to peak with Edwards. Add in Reid who can provide shooting off bench as 3rd big and Gobert mentoring Mobley to be full time center when he ages out - very attractive Towns trade outcome.

Cavs stub their toes in playoffs via shooting woes and Mitchell bolting becomes even more scary.

Lakers Trade:
Reaves + Rui + JHS + 29/31 1sts (+swaps as neeed)
FOR
Mitchell + Wolves Filler (Moore Jr, etc)
Why= all-in for Mitchell with James | Davis.

Cavs Trade:
Mobley + (expiring) Mitchell + LeVert
FOR
Towns + Reaves + Rui + 29/31 Lakers 1sts (+Lakers swaps as needed)
Why= shooting, shooting and more shooting. Towns is locked in as is Reaves.

Wolves Trade: Towns + Filler
FOR
Mobley + JHS + LeVert
Why= see above.

This would be complicated enough, but I wonder if the Jazz would be interested in getting in on this and trying to swap Lauri and a pick (probably 25 MIN) for Mobley. I'd have the pick going to the Cavs to help balance things out a bit. Jazz could reset their timeline a bit with a younger player, move him into a more natural C position. Wovles get an incredibly good fit and Cavs get a bit more.

I have mobley worth more than Towns. Minny stealing value here.

I think if push comes to shove Cavs just take the Lakers offer and cut out Wolves

I’d have thought Mitchell was worth more than this.

Deal is especially bad for Cleveland. Looks fine for LA and Minny.

Godaddycurse wrote:I have mobley worth more than Towns. Minny stealing value here.

I think if push comes to shove Cavs just take the Lakers offer and cut out Wolves

That is interesting. If Towns comes back and plays well in playoffs - I have him and Mobley as equal value. Both have warts, plus and minus, but Towns is a proven All NBA caliber talent. Each team will like their guy of course.

bkohler wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:Mobley lack of shooting isn’t ideal in Minnesota next to Gobert. BUT, he checks so many of the other boxes when trading Towns. Mobley is young (core fitting with Edwards), rookie contract (dollars and locked in) and upside to peak with Edwards. Add in Reid who can provide shooting off bench as 3rd big and Gobert mentoring Mobley to be full time center when he ages out - very attractive Towns trade outcome.

Cavs stub their toes in playoffs via shooting woes and Mitchell bolting becomes even more scary.

Lakers Trade:
Reaves + Rui + JHS + 29/31 1sts (+swaps as neeed)
FOR
Mitchell + Wolves Filler (Moore Jr, etc)
Why= all-in for Mitchell with James | Davis.

Cavs Trade:
Mobley + (expiring) Mitchell + LeVert
FOR
Towns + Reaves + Rui + 29/31 Lakers 1sts (+Lakers swaps as needed)
Why= shooting, shooting and more shooting. Towns is locked in as is Reaves.

Wolves Trade: Towns + Filler
FOR
Mobley + JHS + LeVert
Why= see above.

This would be complicated enough, but I wonder if the Jazz would be interested in getting in on this and trying to swap Lauri and a pick (probably 25 MIN) for Mobley. I'd have the pick going to the Cavs to help balance things out a bit. Jazz could reset their timeline a bit with a younger player, move him into a more natural C position. Wovles get an incredibly good fit and Cavs get a bit more.

Markkanen to Wolves is often discussed. Just doesn’t work. If Wolves traded Towns and Madkkanen bolted leaving Wolves holding the bag, it would set the franchise back. Plus, he is about to get paid. Really doesn’t save Wolves much on financial side of things.

Wolveswin wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:I have mobley worth more than Towns. Minny stealing value here.

I think if push comes to shove Cavs just take the Lakers offer and cut out Wolves

That is interesting. If Towns comes back and plays well in playoffs - I have him and Mobley as equal value. Both have warts, plus and minus, but Towns is a proven All NBA caliber talent. Each team will like their guy of course.

There will be much more demand for mobley than for Towns at his contract imo (4/220 is steep). I think mobley will get more and better offers than Towns would.

Snakebites wrote:I’d have thought Mitchell was worth more than this.

Deal is especially bad for Cleveland. Looks fine for LA and Minny.

I am not so sure about that. An expiring Mitchell will have like 3 bidders in trade. Teams that feel strongly of keeping him plus have the assets to trade for him. Lakers package is fairly average but not terrible. Might be one of the best offers unless Nets feel need to trade for Mitchell vs free agent sign him 25 offseason.

Wolveswin wrote:

Snakebites wrote:I’d have thought Mitchell was worth more than this.

Deal is especially bad for Cleveland. Looks fine for LA and Minny.

I am not so sure about that. An expiring Mitchell will have like 3 bidders in trade. Teams that feel strongly of keeping him plus have the assets to trade for him. Lakers package is fairly average but not terrible. Might be one of the best offers unless Nets feel need to trade for Mitchell vs free agent sign him 25 offseason.

If the Cavs are moving on from Mitchell I think Mobley is the last guy they’d be looking to ship out.

Mobley is more valuable than KAT all things considering, this is MInny stealing value

JRoy wrote:That’s rough for CLE. Curious what Cavalier fans think.

The Minnesota/Mobley part isn’t even a consideration for me as a Cavs fan. I have no interest in that.

If Mitchell is clear that he is gone, I am interested in Reaves/Rui/3 unprotected 1’s from LA.

Wolveswin wrote:

Snakebites wrote:I’d have thought Mitchell was worth more than this.

Deal is especially bad for Cleveland. Looks fine for LA and Minny.

I am not so sure about that. An expiring Mitchell will have like 3 bidders in trade. Teams that feel strongly of keeping him plus have the assets to trade for him. Lakers package is fairly average but not terrible. Might be one of the best offers unless Nets feel need to trade for Mitchell vs free agent sign him 25 offseason.

Yeah, it would probably come down to the Lakers and Nets.

None of this will happen. The Cavs will not trade Mitchell and Mobley. If they're forced to trade Mitchell, they'll take the best offer (which won't be that Lakers package), and reset around Mobley and Garland. I also don't see the Cavs having any interest in trading real value for KAT. He's a solution to a problem the Cavs don't have.

Godaddycurse wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:I have mobley worth more than Towns. Minny stealing value here.

I think if push comes to shove Cavs just take the Lakers offer and cut out Wolves

That is interesting. If Towns comes back and plays well in playoffs - I have him and Mobley as equal value. Both have warts, plus and minus, but Towns is a proven All NBA caliber talent. Each team will like their guy of course.

There will be much more demand for mobley than for Towns at his contract imo (4/220 is steep). I think mobley will get more and better offers than Towns would.

I concur and don't even think it is really close.

I think if Mitchell makes a list of LA, Brooklyn, Miami (seems realistic?) the OP (with LAL’s 2024 first) is a competitive offer for the expiring star. I think Brooklyn would beat it, and Miami might.. But I think it’s a respectable enough offer to not be insulting..

The problem is IMO if you’re trading Mitchell, you’re back to building around Garland/Mobley. So you’re not doing the Minnesota part. I do think Mobley has more value than KAT. But could understand the other argument. Just one is a year and a half younger than Garland and one is 4 years older. And one is on a 35% four year max and the other will likely be limited to a 4-5 year 25% max after finishing his rookie contract in 12 months.

For a team trading a top 15 player in Mitchell, you’re probably really leaning towards the younger/cheaper/controlled player.

A maybe terrible idea would be if Mitchell goes out, maybe it’s Allen/Mitchell for KAT/??? need a different set of teams to make that work. But KAT/Mobley feel like a more natural fit than Allen/KAT. And you don’t lose your cornerstones of Mobley/Garland..

jayjaysee wrote:I think if Mitchell makes a list of LA, Brooklyn, Miami (seems realistic?) the OP (with LAL’s 2024 first) is a competitive offer for the expiring star. I think Brooklyn would beat it, and Miami might.. But I think it’s a respectable enough offer to not be insulting..

The problem is IMO if you’re trading Mitchell, you’re back to building around Garland/Mobley. So you’re not doing the Minnesota part. I do think Mobley has more value than KAT. But could understand the other argument. Just one is a year and a half younger than Garland and one is 4 years older. And one is on a 35% four year max and the other will likely be limited to a 4-5 year 25% max after finishing his rookie contract in 12 months.

For a team trading a top 15 player in Mitchell, you’re probably really leaning towards the younger/cheaper/controlled player.

A maybe terrible idea would be if Mitchell goes out, maybe it’s Allen/Mitchell for KAT/??? need a different set of teams to make that work. But KAT/Mobley feel like a more natural fit than Allen/KAT. And you don’t lose your cornerstones of Mobley/Garland..

People are overrating the real life value of the Lakers picks being offered, generally, and to the Cavs, specifically. If the Cavs are forced into resetting around Garland and Mobley, then picks that don't even convey until they're coming off their second contracts aren't going to hold much appeal. That's before you get into the fact that they're the Lakers and no one knows what their roster will look like five years from now.

Also, while Reaves is a good role player, he did get moved to bench for defensive reasons this season. The last thing you want is to do is assemble a late lottery team around Garland and Mobley and create a situation where they ask out in a year or two.

Towns doesn't make sense for Cleveland, but I think he's continually underestimated here. I think he'd (rightly) fetch a big return from a team needing a reliable #1 or 2 offensive option; those don't grow on trees.

jbk1234 wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:I think if Mitchell makes a list of LA, Brooklyn, Miami (seems realistic?) the OP (with LAL’s 2024 first) is a competitive offer for the expiring star. I think Brooklyn would beat it, and Miami might.. But I think it’s a respectable enough offer to not be insulting..

The problem is IMO if you’re trading Mitchell, you’re back to building around Garland/Mobley. So you’re not doing the Minnesota part. I do think Mobley has more value than KAT. But could understand the other argument. Just one is a year and a half younger than Garland and one is 4 years older. And one is on a 35% four year max and the other will likely be limited to a 4-5 year 25% max after finishing his rookie contract in 12 months.

For a team trading a top 15 player in Mitchell, you’re probably really leaning towards the younger/cheaper/controlled player.

A maybe terrible idea would be if Mitchell goes out, maybe it’s Allen/Mitchell for KAT/??? need a different set of teams to make that work. But KAT/Mobley feel like a more natural fit than Allen/KAT. And you don’t lose your cornerstones of Mobley/Garland..

People are overrating the real life value of the Lakers picks being offered, generally, and to the Cavs, specifically. If the Cavs are forced into resetting around Garland and Mobley, then picks that don't even convey until they're coming off their second contracts aren't going to hold much appeal. That's before you get into the fact that they're the Lakers and no one knows what their roster will look like five years from now.

Also, while Reaves is a good role player, he did get moved to bench for defensive reasons this season. The last thing you want is to do is assemble a late lottery team around Garland and Mobley and create a situation where they ask out in a year or two.

Yeah, no Cleveland wouldn’t take LAL’s package even if it was the best offer. They’d involve a third team pretty easily, and I think teams would somewhat value Reaves and Rui.. and teams would value LAL’s distant firsts/swaps. They’re conveying after Mitchell/KD’s prime. Always worth taking the chance that they are unable to retool for at least one of those 3-4 years..

I just was talking about the value compared to Brooklyn offering some Phoenix firsts and whatever else. It’s not going to beat Brooklyn’s offer. But it’s not terrible.

The Lakers aren't sending nearly enough.