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Hornets trade Bertans, Seth, Richards, Martin for Ben Simmons, 2026 BRK 2nd, 2029 best of DAL/MEM/BRK 2nd

Nets pull the plug on waiting around for Simmons to get healthy and trade him for a number of role players and bite-sized contracts to move around in other trades, as well as a $7M+ TPE. All 4 players expire after next season.

Charlotte gambles that maybe Simmons can provide them some actual defense next season. If not, no real harm done, not like there are any major players going out anyway. Richards is probably the only player worth a 2nd, the other 2nd is for eating salary.

HornetJail wrote:Hornets trade Bertans, Seth, Richards, Martin for Ben Simmons, 2026 BRK 2nd, 2029 best of DAL/MEM/BRK 2nd

I don't have any of the Charlotte players having positive value nor do I think any of them have the ceiling as Ben Simmons for the 2024-2025 season.

I find it really difficult to imagine Brooklyn adds actual assets to move Simmons, and if they do, he is salary matching in a large, impactful trade.

Nets pull the plug on waiting around for Simmons to get healthy and trade him for a number of role players and bite-sized contracts to move around in other trades, as well as a $7M+ TPE. All 4 players expire after next season.

Why would Brooklyn do this instead of simply letting Simmons expire?

Charlotte gambles that maybe Simmons can provide them some actual defense next season. If not, no real harm done, not like there are any major players going out anyway. Richards is probably the only player worth a 2nd, the other 2nd is for eating salary.

Charlotte doesn't gamble anything here. They somehow trade their horrible role players for 1 often-injured player who has a significantly higher ceiling than anything Charlotte gives AND gets paid to do it.

There is no gamble here for Charlotte.

No way. Simmons is trash and will always be trash. Keep that guy away from my locker room culture. 2nd round picks don't move the needle.

GoBobs wrote:No way. Simmons is trash and will always be trash. Keep that guy away from my locker room culture. 2nd round picks don't move the needle.

You can just send him home and not have him set foot in the locker room

Colbinii wrote:
I don't have any of the Charlotte players having positive value nor do I think any of them have the ceiling as Ben Simmons for the 2024-2025 season.

I am sleepy and I'm not sure if I am reading this right

Ben Simmons will require 1sts to move, and he's one of the worst contracts in NBA history in a time where teams are penalized the heaviest for going into the tax. There is no way Charlotte should be taking on this contract and Charlotte's contracts to match should not matter lol

Colbinii wrote:

GoBobs wrote:No way. Simmons is trash and will always be trash. Keep that guy away from my locker room culture. 2nd round picks don't move the needle.

You can just send him home and not have him set foot in the locker room

Or we could just avoid that dumpster fire all together. We don't need 2nd round picks. We have a bunch of rookies on our roster already. We have 2nd round picks stashed in the G-League and overseas. There is nothing here we want.

amcoolio wrote:

Colbinii wrote:
I don't have any of the Charlotte players having positive value nor do I think any of them have the ceiling as Ben Simmons for the 2024-2025 season.

I am sleepy and I'm not sure if I am reading this right

Ben Simmons will require 1sts to move,

If they wanted to dump his salary?

Just so you understand how an expiring contract works, Joe Harris was traded as a 19.9 Million Expiring Salary and required 2 2nd round picks to be eaten into cap space.

I don't think it is remotely possible for Ben Simmons to be traded for pure cap space at his 40.3 Million Expiring Salary for 2024-2025.

With this in mind, it is reasonable to assume Ben Simmons would take 2 2nds to dump ~ Half of his salary. Now, I would argue that Ben Simmons is a better player than Joe Harris was at the time of his salary dump, but for your sake we can assume both players are completely useless on-court.

This means that Simmons should be able to be dumped with 2 2nds and Brooklyn taking back ~20 Million in contracts. The OP has Brooklyn taking back ~33 Million in contracts.

and he's one of the worst contracts in NBA history in a time where teams are penalized the heaviest for going into the tax.

Yes, but Brooklyn isn't going to be in the Tax in 2024-2025. They are currently at 132 Million and resigning Claxton, even at a high number, puts them significantly below the Tax Line of 172 Million.

There is no way Charlotte should be taking on this contract and Charlotte's contracts to match should not matter lol

Nah, you are incorrect here, and that's okay. You are misunderstanding Ben Simmons contract. His contract has 1 year left at 40.3 Million. Charlotte's contracts matching is extremely important here, why would it not be? That's literally the entire point of the deal, for Charlotte to trade trash for Ben Simmons [A trash player since 2021, we all agree]. But, the fact of the matter is, Brooklyn would rather let Ben Simmons expire than trade him for 33 Million in Trash AND add multiple 2nds to have the privilege of doing so.

That's how money works in the NBA. That is how trading contracts and dumping salary works. I truly to encourage you to read up on the history of dumping contract and how willing teams at the bottom [I am looking at you Charlotte] are to eat bad salary for 2nd round picks.

The OP isn't far off from value, but the idea that "Charlotte's contracts to match should not matter" is missing the entire principal of Cap Management 101.

GoBobs wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

GoBobs wrote:No way. Simmons is trash and will always be trash. Keep that guy away from my locker room culture. 2nd round picks don't move the needle.

You can just send him home and not have him set foot in the locker room

Or we could just avoid that dumpster fire all together. We don't need 2nd round picks. We have a bunch of rookies on our roster already. We have 2nd round picks stashed in the G-League and overseas. There is nothing here we want.

Nothing here YOU want. I guarantee both ownership and management would love the idea of trading trash [Charlotte's expiring contracts] for 2 2nds and the slight chance Ben Simmons can stay moderately healthy.

Colbinii wrote:

GoBobs wrote:

Colbinii wrote:
You can just send him home and not have him set foot in the locker room

Or we could just avoid that dumpster fire all together. We don't need 2nd round picks. We have a bunch of rookies on our roster already. We have 2nd round picks stashed in the G-League and overseas. There is nothing here we want.

Nothing here YOU want. I guarantee both ownership and management would love the idea of trading trash [Charlotte's expiring contracts] for 2 2nds and the slight chance Ben Simmons can stay moderately healthy.

Every single one of those guys we are trading is better than Ben Simmons. There is a difference in useful expiring and totally useless expiring. 2nd round picks don't bridge the gap and we don't need them anyway.

Simmons averaged 6 pts last year in 23 minutes. He hasn't shot over 50% from the free throw line in over 3 years. He trash bro.

Nick Richards for example averaged 10 pts 8 reb 1.2 blks last year in 26 min. He shot 73% from the ft line (more than double Simmons percentage). He isn't expiring either, he has next year and the next year for 5 mil per, and he is a year younger than Simmons.

Brooklyn wouldn’t do this. Charlotte should love it.

The sort of fun part (which still doesn’t make it a trade Brooklyn should do) is that they could do this and create a Ben Simmons TPE..

GoBobs wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

GoBobs wrote:No way. Simmons is trash and will always be trash. Keep that guy away from my locker room culture. 2nd round picks don't move the needle.

You can just send him home and not have him set foot in the locker room

Or we could just avoid that dumpster fire all together. We don't need 2nd round picks. We have a bunch of rookies on our roster already. We have 2nd round picks stashed in the G-League and overseas. There is nothing here we want.

Would you then trade some 2nd rounders for cash ? Or does Charlotte have exactly the absolute perfect amount of 2nds, with any more or any less being negative?

HornetJail wrote:Hornets trade Bertans, Seth, Richards, Martin for Ben Simmons, 2026 BRK 2nd, 2029 best of DAL/MEM/BRK 2nd

Nets pull the plug on waiting around for Simmons to get healthy and trade him for a number of role players and bite-sized contracts to move around in other trades, as well as a $7M+ TPE. All 4 players expire after next season.

Charlotte gambles that maybe Simmons can provide them some actual defense next season. If not, no real harm done, not like there are any major players going out anyway. Richards is probably the only player worth a 2nd, the other 2nd is for eating salary.

So we gambling on Simmons/Melo/Mark all staying healthy?

JustBuzzin wrote:

HornetJail wrote:Hornets trade Bertans, Seth, Richards, Martin for Ben Simmons, 2026 BRK 2nd, 2029 best of DAL/MEM/BRK 2nd

Nets pull the plug on waiting around for Simmons to get healthy and trade him for a number of role players and bite-sized contracts to move around in other trades, as well as a $7M+ TPE. All 4 players expire after next season.

Charlotte gambles that maybe Simmons can provide them some actual defense next season. If not, no real harm done, not like there are any major players going out anyway. Richards is probably the only player worth a 2nd, the other 2nd is for eating salary.

So we gambling on Simmons/Melo/Mark all staying healthy?

You wouldn’t be gambling on anything, you’d be trading a bunch of junk end of the bench guys and more paid salary for some 2nd’s and the outside shot Ben stays reasonably healthy, where he then contributes for a year.

No way BK does this. They lose $7 million+ possible incoming salary percentages to match on trades next year at the cost of multiple seconds.

This would only be a possibility if it was part of some big multi-team trade where the Nets actually needed to break Simmons outgoing salary into smaller bites.

vincecarter4pres wrote:

JustBuzzin wrote:

HornetJail wrote:Hornets trade Bertans, Seth, Richards, Martin for Ben Simmons, 2026 BRK 2nd, 2029 best of DAL/MEM/BRK 2nd

Nets pull the plug on waiting around for Simmons to get healthy and trade him for a number of role players and bite-sized contracts to move around in other trades, as well as a $7M+ TPE. All 4 players expire after next season.

Charlotte gambles that maybe Simmons can provide them some actual defense next season. If not, no real harm done, not like there are any major players going out anyway. Richards is probably the only player worth a 2nd, the other 2nd is for eating salary.

So we gambling on Simmons/Melo/Mark all staying healthy?

You wouldn’t be gambling on anything, you’d be trading a bunch of junk end of the bench guys and more paid salary for some 2nd’s and the outside shot Ben stays reasonably healthy, where he then contributes for a year.

No way BK does this. They lose $7 million+ possible incoming salary percentages to match on trades next year at the cost of multiple seconds.

This would only be a possibility if it was part of some big multi-team trade where the Nets actually needed to break Simmons outgoing salary into smaller bites.

I have no idea why anyone would touch Ben Simmons until his contract is expiring. I forgot this dude still played basketball.

JustBuzzin wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:

JustBuzzin wrote:So we gambling on Simmons/Melo/Mark all staying healthy?

You wouldn’t be gambling on anything, you’d be trading a bunch of junk end of the bench guys and more paid salary for some 2nd’s and the outside shot Ben stays reasonably healthy, where he then contributes for a year.

No way BK does this. They lose $7 million+ possible incoming salary percentages to match on trades next year at the cost of multiple seconds.

This would only be a possibility if it was part of some big multi-team trade where the Nets actually needed to break Simmons outgoing salary into smaller bites.

I have no idea why anyone would touch Ben Simmons until his contract is expiring. I forgot this dude still played basketball.

This trade has little to do with Ben Simmons and everything to do with buying likely high value seconds for salary your team would be required to payout anyway per minimum salary requirements, also saving themselves from giving out a bad contract in free agency.

HartfordWhalers wrote:

GoBobs wrote:

Colbinii wrote:
You can just send him home and not have him set foot in the locker room

Or we could just avoid that dumpster fire all together. We don't need 2nd round picks. We have a bunch of rookies on our roster already. We have 2nd round picks stashed in the G-League and overseas. There is nothing here we want.

Would you then trade some 2nd rounders for cash ? Or does Charlotte have exactly the absolute perfect amount of 2nds, with any more or any less being negative?

I would be totally fine with selling some 2nds for cash.

Last year we drafted 4 players including two early 2nd round guys. Amari Baily was number 41 and James Nnaji was number 31. Neither have really played at all this year because the roster has to many other young guys.

At guard we have LaMelo, V. Micic, Tre Mann, S. Curry, and Nick Smith Jr (#27 last year), and Amari Baily (#41 last year)

At forward we have Brandon Miller, Grant Williams, Cody Martin, and then recent 2nd rounders JT Thor (still 21 years old), Bryce McGowens (still 21 years old), Poku (still 22 years old) and then maybe Miles Bridges back also

At center we have Mark Williams, Nick Richards, and James Nnaji

Then we also have to add the first rounder, and maybe the 2nd rounder that we already own to the roster. Collecting all the 2nd round picks doesn't make a team better. We already have to many young guys on the roster.

The Nets are better off just riding out Simmons' deal... The back issues should suck any optimism out of a full fledged return, but it's better to bank on that 5% chance than clutter up the roster with multiple zero-impact players.