BKN - HOU - SAC

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They all say yes (fair trade)
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BKN & HOU say yes / SAC says no
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BKN says yes / HOU & SAC say no
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HOU & SAC say yes / BKN says no
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BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#1 » by bpcox05 » Sun Apr 7, 2024 1:02 pm

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BKN Gets: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Ja’Sean Tate, 2024 BKN 1st, 2025 SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected), 2025 BKN Pick Swap Returned, 2026 BKN 1st, & 2027 BKN Pick Swap Returned
BKN Gives: Mikal Bridges
Why for BKN? The Nets get their picks back and a lightly protected 1st from SAC allowing them to rebuild. Along with their own 1sts (which will likely be high picks), they have 3 unprotected 1sts from PHX, 1 unprotected 1st from DAL, and 2 lightly protected 1sts from SAC & PHI, and 1 pick swap with PHX. Couple that with a lot of cap space in the 2025 off-season, and the Nets have the makings of a solid rebuild.

PG - Schroder
SG - Thomas / Whitehead
SF - Johnson / Tate / Bates-Diop
PF - Finney-Smith / Simmons / Wilson / Green
C - Claxton / Sharpe / Clowney / Landale

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HOU Gets: Mikal Bridges & Davion Mitchell
HOU Gives: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Ja’Sean Tate, Tari Eason, 2024 BKN 1st, 2025 BKN Pick Swap Returned, 2026 BKN 1st, & 2027 BKN Pick Swap Returned
Why for HOU? The Rockets add a near all star level talent who is just entering his prime to hopefully catapult the Rockets into the playoffs. Bridges can maintain their spacing while giving them another long, elite defender to further bolster their defense. His ability to play off the ball would be great fit with Sengun as well. Mitchell gives them a solid, young backup PG who can continue their elite defense.

PG - VanVleet / Mitchell
SG - Green / Thompson
SF - Bridges / Brooks
PF - Smith / Whitmore
C - Sengun / Adams

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SAC Gets: Tari Eason
SAC Gives: Davion Mitchell & 2025 SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected)
Why for Kings? Eason’s defense, rim protection, versatility, shooting, size/length, and age would be a great fit next to Sabonis at PF. Not only is he a great complement to Sabonis but he’d help elevate their defense while still being young enough to continue growing his game as this Kings core matures.

PG - Fox / Monk
SG - Ellis / Huerter / Jones
SF - Murray / Vezenkov / Duarte
PF - Eason / Barnes
C - Sabonis / Lyles

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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#2 » by Godaddycurse » Sun Apr 7, 2024 1:20 pm

Brooklyn cut out Sacramento if houston was willing to do that
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#3 » by vincecarter4pres » Sun Apr 7, 2024 1:28 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:Brooklyn cut out Sacramento if houston was willing to do that

I think so, they’d probably value Eason over the pick, but maybe not. Very good chance that pick winds up in the 10-18 range.

‘25 is supposed to be the draft everyone is salivating over, so do they value another stab in that draft and an extra couple seasons of rookie scale salary control over the developing and already legit NBA rotational player level guy in Eason?

I do think the protection would have to be only top 2, or they would take your advice and cutout Sacto.
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#4 » by bpcox05 » Sun Apr 7, 2024 1:42 pm

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Godaddycurse wrote:Brooklyn cut out Sacramento if houston was willing to do that

I think so, they’d probably value Eason over the pick, but maybe not. Very good chance that pick winds up in the 10-18 range.

‘25 is supposed to be the draft everyone is salivating over, so do they value another stab in that draft and an extra couple seasons of rookie scale salary control over the developing and already legit NBA rotational player level guy in Eason?

I do think the protection would have to be only top 2, or they would take your advice and cutout Sacto.

Godaddycurse wrote:Brooklyn cut out Sacramento if houston was willing to do that

My thought process around this was that the Nets would literally be starting a rebuild immediately after this trade with no blue chip prospects on the roster. They need to prioritize finding young star talent.

Tari Eason is a good young player, but I don’t think he has star potential. And then you factor into the equation that he’ll be 23 at the start of next season with only 2 more years left on his rookie deal.

I’d think a team that is starting a rebuild from scratch with no blue chip prospects would prefer the pick (especially since that pick would be in year that is considered a loaded draft class). I could be convinced to lessen the protections on the 2025 SAC 1st simply because I think Eason is such a terrific complement to Sabonis and the Kings will likely have to pay a premium for that fit.
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#5 » by Kiss of Death » Sun Apr 7, 2024 2:28 pm

Houston absolutely says no. Bridges does not have that kind of value. He does not have anything close to that kind of value.
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#6 » by K_chile22 » Sun Apr 7, 2024 2:54 pm

Houston isn't paying that for bridges and feels like sac is stealing value here as well
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#7 » by HartfordWhalers » Sun Apr 7, 2024 2:57 pm

I don't have Bridges worth this.
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#8 » by bpcox05 » Sun Apr 7, 2024 3:12 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:I don't have Bridges worth this.

K_chile22 wrote:Houston isn't paying that for bridges and feels like sac is stealing value here as well

Kiss of Death wrote:Houston absolutely says no. Bridges does not have that kind of value. He does not have anything close to that kind of value.

Perhaps we alter it to something like…


BKN Gets: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Ja’Sean Tate, 2025 SAC 1st (Unprotected), 2025 BKN Pick Swap Returned, 2026 BKN 1st, & 2027 BKN Pick Swap Returned
BKN Gives: Mikal Bridges

HOU Gets: Mikal Bridges & Davion Mitchell
HOU Gives: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Ja’Sean Tate, Tari Eason, 2025 BKN Pick Swap Returned, 2026 BKN 1st, & 2027 BKN Pick Swap Returned

SAC Gets: Tari Eason
SAC Gives: Davion Mitchell & 2025 SAC 1st (Unprotected)


…allows HOU to keep the 2024 BKN 1st and SAC gives up more value making that 2025 1st unprotected in a loaded draft. BKN can focus on 2025 & on with all of their picks back and lean into the rebuild.
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#9 » by SNPA » Sun Apr 7, 2024 3:41 pm

Davion and an unprotected pick in a good draft is pretty good value for Eason at this stage.
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Post#10 » by jayjaysee » Sun Apr 7, 2024 5:32 pm

Yeah, I think Eason is worth more than this and think Bridges isn’t worth this.
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Post#11 » by bpcox05 » Sun Apr 7, 2024 6:20 pm

SNPA wrote:Davion and an unprotected pick in a good draft is pretty good value for Eason at this stage.

Yeah Davion has really come on post all star break. Below are his per36 numbers:

.651 TS%
.550 FG% (10.7 FGA)
.429 3P% (5.0 3PA)
.600 FT% (0.9 FTA)
14.3 PTS
3.7 REB
3.9 AST
0.5 STL
0.1 BLK
1.2 TO
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#12 » by bpcox05 » Sun Apr 7, 2024 6:21 pm

jayjaysee wrote:Yeah, I think Eason is worth more than this and think Bridges isn’t worth this.

I think my revised trade may make more sense value wise across teams.
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#13 » by jayjaysee » Sun Apr 7, 2024 6:33 pm

bpcox05 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:Yeah, I think Eason is worth more than this and think Bridges isn’t worth this.

I think my revised trade may make more sense value wise across teams.


I still think Eason is worth more than this and Bridges isn’t worth this. Brooklyn takes Eason here, tanks for Bailey/CF and pitches two of Spida/Lauri/Ingram..
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#14 » by Kiss of Death » Sun Apr 7, 2024 6:46 pm

bpcox05 wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:I don't have Bridges worth this.

K_chile22 wrote:Houston isn't paying that for bridges and feels like sac is stealing value here as well

Kiss of Death wrote:Houston absolutely says no. Bridges does not have that kind of value. He does not have anything close to that kind of value.

Perhaps we alter it to something like…


BKN Gets: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Ja’Sean Tate, 2025 SAC 1st (Unprotected), 2025 BKN Pick Swap Returned, 2026 BKN 1st, & 2027 BKN Pick Swap Returned
BKN Gives: Mikal Bridges

HOU Gets: Mikal Bridges & Davion Mitchell
HOU Gives: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Ja’Sean Tate, Tari Eason, 2025 BKN Pick Swap Returned, 2026 BKN 1st, & 2027 BKN Pick Swap Returned

SAC Gets: Tari Eason
SAC Gives: Davion Mitchell & 2025 SAC 1st (Unprotected)


…allows HOU to keep the 2024 BKN 1st and SAC gives up more value making that 2025 1st unprotected in a loaded draft. BKN can focus on 2025 & on with all of their picks back and lean into the rebuild.


Still too much. The Brooklyn picks and swaps that Houston owns are worth more than Bridges at this point.
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#15 » by drchaos » Sun Apr 7, 2024 7:44 pm

Kiss of Death wrote:
bpcox05 wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:I don't have Bridges worth this.

K_chile22 wrote:Houston isn't paying that for bridges and feels like sac is stealing value here as well

Kiss of Death wrote:Houston absolutely says no. Bridges does not have that kind of value. He does not have anything close to that kind of value.

Perhaps we alter it to something like…


BKN Gets: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Ja’Sean Tate, 2025 SAC 1st (Unprotected), 2025 BKN Pick Swap Returned, 2026 BKN 1st, & 2027 BKN Pick Swap Returned
BKN Gives: Mikal Bridges

HOU Gets: Mikal Bridges & Davion Mitchell
HOU Gives: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Ja’Sean Tate, Tari Eason, 2025 BKN Pick Swap Returned, 2026 BKN 1st, & 2027 BKN Pick Swap Returned

SAC Gets: Tari Eason
SAC Gives: Davion Mitchell & 2025 SAC 1st (Unprotected)


…allows HOU to keep the 2024 BKN 1st and SAC gives up more value making that 2025 1st unprotected in a loaded draft. BKN can focus on 2025 & on with all of their picks back and lean into the rebuild.


Still too much. The Brooklyn picks and swaps that Houston owns are worth more than Bridges at this point.


Would this trade work for Houston if they were to keep the Nets 2026 first rounder?
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#16 » by SNPA » Sun Apr 7, 2024 8:00 pm

bpcox05 wrote:
SNPA wrote:Davion and an unprotected pick in a good draft is pretty good value for Eason at this stage.

Yeah Davion has really come on post all star break. Below are his per36 numbers:

.651 TS%
.550 FG% (10.7 FGA)
.429 3P% (5.0 3PA)
.600 FT% (0.9 FTA)
14.3 PTS
3.7 REB
3.9 AST
0.5 STL
0.1 BLK
1.2 TO

League is just starting to notice. The more he plays the better he is. Some smart GM could get a good deal this summer.
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#17 » by vincecarter4pres » Sun Apr 7, 2024 8:27 pm

Kiss of Death wrote:
bpcox05 wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:I don't have Bridges worth this.

K_chile22 wrote:Houston isn't paying that for bridges and feels like sac is stealing value here as well

Kiss of Death wrote:Houston absolutely says no. Bridges does not have that kind of value. He does not have anything close to that kind of value.

Perhaps we alter it to something like…


BKN Gets: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Ja’Sean Tate, 2025 SAC 1st (Unprotected), 2025 BKN Pick Swap Returned, 2026 BKN 1st, & 2027 BKN Pick Swap Returned
BKN Gives: Mikal Bridges

HOU Gets: Mikal Bridges & Davion Mitchell
HOU Gives: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Ja’Sean Tate, Tari Eason, 2025 BKN Pick Swap Returned, 2026 BKN 1st, & 2027 BKN Pick Swap Returned

SAC Gets: Tari Eason
SAC Gives: Davion Mitchell & 2025 SAC 1st (Unprotected)


…allows HOU to keep the 2024 BKN 1st and SAC gives up more value making that 2025 1st unprotected in a loaded draft. BKN can focus on 2025 & on with all of their picks back and lean into the rebuild.


Still too much. The Brooklyn picks and swaps that Houston owns are worth more than Bridges at this point.

Don’t think this is really true tbh.

What are the chances the Nets are lottery bad again past next season, if they don’t make a splashy move this summer even?

Even if they can’t trade for a Mitchell or the likes this summer/by next deadline, they’ll probably have an incremental improvement next year, good chance they’re at least play-in good.

Then even if they strikeout in the summer of ‘25, they’ll be on the cusp of a long run of Phoenix and Dallas picks(plus the ‘25 Phoenix pick), and will likely make a lower cost move to keep them firmly in that 40-46 win range while they get to take swings at blockbuster trades and the draft with picks that aren’t theirs.

Also worth noting, Brooklyn is a free agent and trade request destination and will remain so as well.

Chances are, none of those picks past the current ‘24 will be top 10.

Those picks are mainly only premium valuable if the Nets trade Bridges somewhere other than Houston, or to Brooklyn themselves if they took a similar deal for Bridges from Houston.
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Post#18 » by HartfordWhalers » Sun Apr 7, 2024 8:46 pm

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What are the chances the Nets are lottery bad again past next season, if they don’t make a splashy move this summer even?

Even if they can’t trade for a Mitchell or the likes this summer/by next deadline, they’ll probably have an incremental improvement next year, good chance they’re at least play-in good.


I don't see any reason to think that the Nets improve their record without moves. Orlando should keep improving, Philly has a lot of options to get better, and a bunch of the worse teams will actually get top picks. Nets might make a big move and improve, but i would actually expect the team to fall back another spot or two in the standings if they don't.
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#19 » by Kiss of Death » Sun Apr 7, 2024 8:49 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Kiss of Death wrote:
bpcox05 wrote:

Perhaps we alter it to something like…


BKN Gets: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Ja’Sean Tate, 2025 SAC 1st (Unprotected), 2025 BKN Pick Swap Returned, 2026 BKN 1st, & 2027 BKN Pick Swap Returned
BKN Gives: Mikal Bridges

HOU Gets: Mikal Bridges & Davion Mitchell
HOU Gives: Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Ja’Sean Tate, Tari Eason, 2025 BKN Pick Swap Returned, 2026 BKN 1st, & 2027 BKN Pick Swap Returned

SAC Gets: Tari Eason
SAC Gives: Davion Mitchell & 2025 SAC 1st (Unprotected)


…allows HOU to keep the 2024 BKN 1st and SAC gives up more value making that 2025 1st unprotected in a loaded draft. BKN can focus on 2025 & on with all of their picks back and lean into the rebuild.


Still too much. The Brooklyn picks and swaps that Houston owns are worth more than Bridges at this point.

Don’t think this is really true tbh.

What are the chances the Nets are lottery bad again past next season, if they don’t make a splashy move this summer even?

Even if they can’t trade for a Mitchell or the likes this summer/by next deadline, they’ll probably have an incremental improvement next year, good chance they’re at least play-in good.

Then even if they strikeout in the summer of ‘25, they’ll be on the cusp of a long run of Phoenix and Dallas picks(plus the ‘25 Phoenix pick), and will likely make a lower cost move to keep them firmly in that 40-46 win range while they get to take swings at blockbuster trades and the draft with picks that aren’t theirs.

Also worth noting, Brooklyn is a free agent and trade request destination and will remain so as well.

Chances are, none of those picks past the current ‘24 will be top 10.

Those picks are mainly only premium valuable if the Nets trade Bridges somewhere other than Houston, or to Brooklyn themselves if they took a similar deal for Bridges from Houston.


If that’s the case, lottery protection on any picks or swaps returned (after 2024) is a fair deal.
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Re: BKN - HOU - SAC 

Post#20 » by vincecarter4pres » Sun Apr 7, 2024 8:57 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:
What are the chances the Nets are lottery bad again past next season, if they don’t make a splashy move this summer even?

Even if they can’t trade for a Mitchell or the likes this summer/by next deadline, they’ll probably have an incremental improvement next year, good chance they’re at least play-in good.


I don't see any reason to think that the Nets improve their record without moves. Orlando should keep improving, Philly has a lot of options to get better, and a bunch of the worse teams will actually get top picks. Nets might make a big move and improve, but i would actually expect the team to fall back another spot or two in the standings if they don't.

Well both the teams you mention are already ahead of the Nets.

If they don’t land a big fish, they’ll probably try and make an opportunistic grab of some sorts.

And again I’m talking past the ‘25 pick.

What I’m trying to convey, is the ‘26 and ‘27 pick are invariably less valuable then most are making them out to be, imho.

We can debate and discuss whether Brooklyn will actually become a contender any time soon, but they’re definitely going to do their damndest to become a competitive playoff level team if they fail at the big name acquisitions.

Might not be a smart strategy, or make the fans happy, but it will effect the position of those future picks.
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