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What do the Kings do this off-season?

Would something like Ingram to 3rd team, Hawkins and milion picks(Pels have 6 availible + 4 swaps, some own, some Bucks, some Lakers) and everything that Ingram brings back for Fox be interesting if Kings decide to rebuild?
Of course i don't mean all of the picks, but there is ofc a lot to offer there.

nothing drastic, kind of like what the Mavs did at the deadline, more size and better fits...

Trade 1..

K.Huerter+2 SRP?? for I.Stewart...

Send Duarte to some team's space...(Spurs/Pistons...)

In FA I would look for a solid veteran like Caleb Martin and then re-sign Monk with the bird wings

Fox/Ellis/Murray/I.Stewart/Sabonis
D.Mitchell/Monk/*C.Martin/Barnes/Lyles

Mrakar wrote:Would something like Ingram to 3rd team, Hawkins and milion picks(Pels have 6 availible + 4 swaps, some own, some Bucks, some Lakers) and everything that Ingram brings back for Fox be interesting if Kings decide to rebuild?
Of course i don't mean all of the picks, but there is ofc a lot to offer there.

Kings aren't rebuilding for sure, but Fox was part of the issue of this year. He wasnt good enough/near efficient in the calendar 2024 year. He also didn't carry any ceiling play in the clutch or post season. If he's on the roster he needs to be a lot more consistent/better.

BoogieTime wrote:

Mrakar wrote:Would something like Ingram to 3rd team, Hawkins and milion picks(Pels have 6 availible + 4 swaps, some own, some Bucks, some Lakers) and everything that Ingram brings back for Fox be interesting if Kings decide to rebuild?
Of course i don't mean all of the picks, but there is ofc a lot to offer there.

Kings aren't rebuilding for sure, but Fox was part of the issue of this year. He wasnt good enough/near efficient in the calendar 2024 year. He also didn't carry any ceiling play in the clutch or post season. If he's on the roster he needs to be a lot more consistent/better.

You could trade Fox for Ingram and a number of Picks. That opens up cap space to sign Monk, you keep Mitchell and draft a guard at 13/14

Monk, Mitchell, 13 guard who falls
Ellis, Huerter Jones
Ingram, Edwards, 18 Da Silva or Comouce
Murray, Barnes
Domas, Len

We need some length, offensively and defensively.

The crappy contracts of Duarte and Sasha are going to make cheap options harder.

But any 2-4 that has good length and a two way player is pretty dang important.

We should go fishing on a young backup center that is very mobile.

Agree with prophet that I'd want a mobile, defensive backup center. It would be one of my priorities. I suspect Kuzma might get a re-visit too. And I don't hate a Barnes/reasonable incentive for Kuz deal. Something like Barnes/Vez/13 for Kuz/Kispert/26. Gets the Kings a bench shooter as well.

blind prophet wrote:We need some length, offensively and defensively.

The crappy contracts of Duarte and Sasha are going to make cheap options harder.

But any 2-4 that has good length and a two way player is pretty dang important.

We should go fishing on a young backup center that is very mobile.

Yes we need length target Thybull and Grant which gives us size, athleticism, defense, switch ability, and shooting with Grant

Resign Monk #1 priority.

Package some combo of #14, huerter, Barnes, davion, Sasha, Duarte, future picks to go after forwards who play defense. Ideally we need to add 2. A higher end + a lower end.

Targets
Reasonable tier
DFS
Grant
Wiggins
Kuzma
Cam Johnson
Naji Marshall
Thybulle

Pipe dream - Mikal Bridges

Other than resigning Monk, Kings really need to add versatile defensive vets around Fox/Sabonis/Murray.


I love the idea of Jerami Grant on the Kings. He can play both the 3 & 4, and plays good defense.

I would also love to see Bruce Brown on the Kings, as he can defend 1-3, and does the nitty gritty that don’t show up on the box score.




Trade 1:
#13 + K Huerter + C Duarte + D Mitchell
for
J Grant



Trade 2:
H Barnes + ‘25 POR 2nd
for
B Brown




Fox / Brown / Murray / Grant/ Sabonis
Monk / Ellis / (FA-TBD)? / Sasha / Lyles


Add a backup wing through FA, and that’s a team that can go deep in the playoffs.

Brown isn't worth a good 2nd more than Barnes. Not sure why some Raps fans continue to set high prices on a guy whose option they are unlikely to pick up.

I'd move Harrison Barnes. He doesn't contribute enough, consistently enough. If you want someone to camp out and make shots, you've got Murray.
I'd move Trey Lyles and Alex Len. The Kings need guys who play harder and with more energy.

I haven't really watched the Kings that much, but I'd run Fox off of hand-offs and just let him attack going downhill rather than ask him to set up plays on the perimeter. I'd bring in a wing who can initiate, and I'd bring in a 4/5 who adds defensive presence in the paint.

Overall, the Kings aren't athletic enough.

MessiahUjiri wrote:Trade 2:
H Barnes + ‘25 POR 2nd
for
B Brown

For Toronto:
I simply don't think Barnes is worth his contract and see no upside of Toronto eating his 2 yr deal. Better to just waive Brown and move on and keep the cap sheet cleaner and buy another 2nd with the cash saved.

For Sac: I would do this, Barnes is just not impacting winning anymore and Brown at worse is a super utility player that can fill in around the cracks and play some better D.

Texas Chuck wrote:Brown isn't worth a good 2nd more than Barnes. Not sure why some Raps fans continue to set high prices on a guy whose option they are unlikely to pick up.

The 2nd is for getting off Barnes 2nd yr. 37M guaranteed vs 23. I dont think this is a high price for Brown at all/im skeptical barnes can fetch an expiring on his own

Godaddycurse wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Brown isn't worth a good 2nd more than Barnes. Not sure why some Raps fans continue to set high prices on a guy whose option they are unlikely to pick up.

The 2nd is for getting off Barnes 2nd yr. 37M guaranteed vs 23. I dont think this is a high price for Brown at all/im skeptical barnes can fetch an expiring on his own

I think Barnes is easily movable for an expiring. I think he might could even be moved into space. I mean Charlotte or Detroit should love to get this guy in the building for 2 years to help reset the culture. If I was Charlotte, he's exactly the kind of player I want, maybe the player I most want. I'm not trying to win yet, but I am trying to instill some professionalism and some work ethic and some team first play. That's Harry Barnes.

Texas Chuck wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Brown isn't worth a good 2nd more than Barnes. Not sure why some Raps fans continue to set high prices on a guy whose option they are unlikely to pick up.

The 2nd is for getting off Barnes 2nd yr. 37M guaranteed vs 23. I dont think this is a high price for Brown at all/im skeptical barnes can fetch an expiring on his own

I think Barnes is easily movable for an expiring. I think he might could even be moved into space. I mean Charlotte or Detroit should love to get this guy in the building for 2 years to help reset the culture. If I was Charlotte, he's exactly the kind of player I want, maybe the player I most want. I'm not trying to win yet, but I am trying to instill some professionalism and some work ethic and some team first play. That's Harry Barnes.

Kings should just do that then if its on the table and raptors are better off with cap space

Texas Chuck wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Brown isn't worth a good 2nd more than Barnes. Not sure why some Raps fans continue to set high prices on a guy whose option they are unlikely to pick up.

The 2nd is for getting off Barnes 2nd yr. 37M guaranteed vs 23. I dont think this is a high price for Brown at all/im skeptical barnes can fetch an expiring on his own

I think Barnes is easily movable for an expiring. I think he might could even be moved into space. I mean Charlotte or Detroit should love to get this guy in the building for 2 years to help reset the culture. If I was Charlotte, he's exactly the kind of player I want, maybe the player I most want. I'm not trying to win yet, but I am trying to instill some professionalism and some work ethic and some team first play. That's Harry Barnes.

I'd be all about trading Bertans for Barnes, although I'm not sure what else would be needed to incentivize the Kings to make a deal.

Godaddycurse wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:
The 2nd is for getting off Barnes 2nd yr. 37M guaranteed vs 23. I dont think this is a high price for Brown at all/im skeptical barnes can fetch an expiring on his own

I think Barnes is easily movable for an expiring. I think he might could even be moved into space. I mean Charlotte or Detroit should love to get this guy in the building for 2 years to help reset the culture. If I was Charlotte, he's exactly the kind of player I want, maybe the player I most want. I'm not trying to win yet, but I am trying to instill some professionalism and some work ethic and some team first play. That's Harry Barnes.

Kings should just do that then if its on the table and raptors are better off with cap space

Kings shouldn't pay to swap him for Brown for sure. But not sure they should turn him into a bad expiring either. He's still a top 7 player on a playoff team. And they aren't deep enough to just give him away unless they have an immediate plan to use his salary as matching or his TPE to bring someone else in.

I have no idea what the Raptors are trying to do. The path for them right now seems reliant on both Barnes/IQ rising to star level players but I'm just not convinced they are that. And once they pay IQ big money, not sure cap room is really a viable path for them especially with a huge Barnes deal coming due.

And still not sure how Barrett/Poeltl/Olynyk fit in. Barnes doesn't figure to make sense, but then this team kept investing in guys who made even less sense than him so....

Texas Chuck wrote:Brown isn't worth a good 2nd more than Barnes. Not sure why some Raps fans continue to set high prices on a guy whose option they are unlikely to pick up.

Answer here:

Godaddycurse wrote:The 2nd is for getting off Barnes 2nd yr. 37M guaranteed vs 23.

Barnes impact has visibly diminished every year for a couple of years. Most objective people will agree that Barnes 2nd year is a big negative.

Raps should do this because they don’t really have much else to spend money on now that turns them into winners, and Barnes can fill in at the 3/4 while they rebuild.

I think objectively if his 2nd year was a huge negative I'd want more than a 2nd to take it on.

And I disagree objectively with that valuation of Barned.

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