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Alright I'm curious. There was some debate about what his value is in a few threads I have seen, but I didn't get a sense of much of a consensus. So adding to our Jimmy Butler trade value thread, here is an Ingram trade value thread.

Best offers for Ingram? I assume NOP could make it a 3 way and get different fitting parts, so don't lose sleep over how the parts fit so much as what would be your highest (reasonable) offer for Ingram?

If anyone needs:
Stats: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html
Contract: 36m next season then unrestricted.

HartfordWhalers wrote:Alright I'm curious. There was some debate about what his value is in a few threads I have seen, but I didn't get a sense of much of a consensus. So adding to our Jimmy Butler trade value thread, here is an Ingram trade value thread.

Best offers for Ingram? I assume NOP could make it a 3 way and get different fitting parts, so don't lose sleep over how the parts fit so much as what would be your highest (reasonable) offer for Ingram?

If anyone needs:
Stats: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html
Contract: 36m next season then unrestricted.

I have NOP as needing a player back moreso than picks

Dejounte? Claxton and filler sign and trade? Kessler based deal?

Ingram=Butler....does that help? Not many teams are going to really want them on their next contract but will give up certain amount of assets for them now and worry about the future later. Likely a few more suiters for Ingram since I think Butler is going to restrict the teams that will be allowed to trade for him.

Jarrett Allen based deal from Cleveland?

Would it be more or less than a Pascal Siakam trade value??

Raptors receive:

Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis, Jordan Nwora, Two 2024 first-round picks (2024 Pacers 1st and 2024 first-round pick (lesser of picks from Jazz/Clippers/Rockets/Thunder ) and Conditional 2026 first-round pick (Pacers 1-4 protected)

Pacers receive:

Pascal Siakam (via Raptors)Future second-round pick (via Pelicans)

NYG wrote:

HartfordWhalers wrote:Alright I'm curious. There was some debate about what his value is in a few threads I have seen, but I didn't get a sense of much of a consensus. So adding to our Jimmy Butler trade value thread, here is an Ingram trade value thread.

Best offers for Ingram? I assume NOP could make it a 3 way and get different fitting parts, so don't lose sleep over how the parts fit so much as what would be your highest (reasonable) offer for Ingram?

If anyone needs:
Stats: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html
Contract: 36m next season then unrestricted.

I have NOP as needing a player back moreso than picks

Dejounte? Claxton and filler sign and trade? Kessler based deal?

I think Dejounte for Ingram is decent. Pelicans might need to add a small asset (like a lotto protected 1st) due to contract status.

Duren for Ingram

Residual-Heat wrote:

NYG wrote:

HartfordWhalers wrote:Alright I'm curious. There was some debate about what his value is in a few threads I have seen, but I didn't get a sense of much of a consensus. So adding to our Jimmy Butler trade value thread, here is an Ingram trade value thread.

Best offers for Ingram? I assume NOP could make it a 3 way and get different fitting parts, so don't lose sleep over how the parts fit so much as what would be your highest (reasonable) offer for Ingram?

If anyone needs:
Stats: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html
Contract: 36m next season then unrestricted.

I have NOP as needing a player back moreso than picks

Dejounte? Claxton and filler sign and trade? Kessler based deal?

I think Dejounte for Ingram is decent. Pelicans might need to add a small asset (like a lotto protected 1st) due to contract status.

I think the asset needs to run the other way since wings are just so much harder to find than point guards. Maybe that means straight across is fine

babyjax13 wrote:

Residual-Heat wrote:

NYG wrote:
I have NOP as needing a player back moreso than picks

Dejounte? Claxton and filler sign and trade? Kessler based deal?

I think Dejounte for Ingram is decent. Pelicans might need to add a small asset (like a lotto protected 1st) due to contract status.

I think the asset needs to run the other way since wings are just so much harder to find than point guards. Maybe that means straight across is fine

Contract status and future ask (amost double Murray?) and availability is also a factor.

MotownMadness wrote:Duren for Ingram

I don't hate this for New Orleans. Pels free up a ton of money, could offer Valanciaunas the Bruce Brown special of say 25M for year 1 and a team option for year 2 and still have the full MLE available to use on a Zion backup, then by the deadline you can move an expiring JV and multiple 1sts for a PG:

Duren-Nance
Zion-MLE
HerbJones-Murphy
TreyMurphy-McCollum
PG-Daniels

Draft some high-upside wings at #17 and #21 whose value hopefully won't crater to include in the deal, an if you're stuck with them, hope one develops and you can eventually move Jones or Murphy for that PG, or that Daniels just learns to shoots over the next summer or 2.

jayu70 wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:

Residual-Heat wrote:I think Dejounte for Ingram is decent. Pelicans might need to add a small asset (like a lotto protected 1st) due to contract status.

I think the asset needs to run the other way since wings are just so much harder to find than point guards. Maybe that means straight across is fine

Contract status and future ask (amost double Murray?) and availability is also a factor.

I think this is what gets overlooked. Ingram is expiring and in contention for 4/200. If that is what he is set on for an extension you are playing the free agent lottery and Atlanta can't afford that. I am also not a huge fan of the fit. Another iso-oriented player is not a great fit with Trae.

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jayu70 wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:

Residual-Heat wrote:I think Dejounte for Ingram is decent. Pelicans might need to add a small asset (like a lotto protected 1st) due to contract status.

I think the asset needs to run the other way since wings are just so much harder to find than point guards. Maybe that means straight across is fine

Contract status and future ask (amost double Murray?) and availability is also a factor.

I don't disagree, but there is not a huge difference between the 10th and 20th best point guards in the league (and Murray is somewhere in that range) but there is a huge difference between the ... 7th and 15th best small forward. It's just a position that has less talent and where the better talents are extremely impactful. There is obviously a certain point where a player is so good that relative scarcity doesn't matter, but I think it is extremely relevant to the trade value between the two. Of course, YMMV.

babyjax13 wrote:

jayu70 wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:I think the asset needs to run the other way since wings are just so much harder to find than point guards. Maybe that means straight across is fine

Contract status and future ask (amost double Murray?) and availability is also a factor.

I don't disagree, but there is not a huge difference between the 10th and 20th best point guards in the league (and Murray is somewhere in that range) but there is a huge difference between the ... 7th and 15th best small forward. It's just a position that has less talent and where the better talents are extremely impactful. There is obviously a certain point where a player is so good that relative scarcity doesn't matter, but I think it is extremely relevant to the trade value between the two. Of course, YMMV.

Hawks need more than just a taller version of Murray that may cost twice as much. Very similar offensive games in terms of their midrange games and also needing the ball to be effective. I don't know that he will provide the type of defense the Hawks desperately needs.

jayu70 wrote:Would it be more or less than a Pascal Siakam trade value??

Raptors receive:

Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis, Jordan Nwora, Two 2024 first-round picks (2024 Pacers 1st and 2024 first-round pick (lesser of picks from Jazz/Clippers/Rockets/Thunder ) and Conditional 2026 first-round pick (Pacers 1-4 protected)

Pacers receive:

Pascal Siakam (via Raptors)Future second-round pick (via Pelicans)

Less than Siakam. Siakam is a better player and more durable

Godaddycurse wrote:

jayu70 wrote:Would it be more or less than a Pascal Siakam trade value??

Raptors receive:

Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis, Jordan Nwora, Two 2024 first-round picks (2024 Pacers 1st and 2024 first-round pick (lesser of picks from Jazz/Clippers/Rockets/Thunder ) and Conditional 2026 first-round pick (Pacers 1-4 protected)

Pacers receive:

Pascal Siakam (via Raptors)Future second-round pick (via Pelicans)

Less than Siakam. Siakam is a better player and more durable

Siakam has 3 years on Ingram in age. That might not fully make it up, but it has to close some of the gap.

HartfordWhalers wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

jayu70 wrote:Would it be more or less than a Pascal Siakam trade value??

Raptors receive:

Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis, Jordan Nwora, Two 2024 first-round picks (2024 Pacers 1st and 2024 first-round pick (lesser of picks from Jazz/Clippers/Rockets/Thunder ) and Conditional 2026 first-round pick (Pacers 1-4 protected)

Pacers receive:

Pascal Siakam (via Raptors)Future second-round pick (via Pelicans)

Less than Siakam. Siakam is a better player and more durable

Siakam has 3 years on Ingram in age. That might not fully make it up, but it has to close some of the gap.

They are both in their prime essentially for the next contract. I think the age cancels out the durability issue but siakam is still the better player on court

Hawks get:
Mikal Bridges
Cam Johnson

Nets get:
Brandon Ingram
AJ Griffin
Larry Nance Jr.
10th Overall Draft Pick
21st Overall Draft Pick

Pelicans get:
Dejounte Murray
Clint Capela

???

I think it is going to have to be the right team that values him, like maybe the Cavs needing some wing depth ect. Most teams won't value him as much as the Pels do to be honest.

DowJones wrote:Jarrett Allen based deal from Cleveland?

I mean after tonight, I don’t see how you can not trade Allen.

I like the Pelicans as a third team in a Mitchell trade if it comes to that. I have an expiring Mitchell as worth more than an expiring Mitchell, but assuming there's draft capital involved that's easily addressed.