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This is just a straight up swap sign n trade.

Hornets trade: Bridges
Jazz trade: Collins

Hornets basically move on from Bridges. He was great, but I think the franchise wants to move in a different direction and bring in defensive minded players without questionable character. Collins offers a legit pf body and can spread the floor. Charlotte goes with a more defensive lineup with Collins/Mark frontcourt.

Jazz obviously get a talented player who can put up 20ppg and offers them some legit athleticism at the wing position.


Who says no?

I'm not so sure "defensive-minded" and "John Collins" belong in the same sentence.

John Collins isn't a good defender and has negative trade value. I'd have grave concerns about the Hornets new FO if they did this.

Collins just had a terrible year on D and he was never great there to start. I think there will be SNT possibilities with Char eating bad expirings and getting a 1st for him. If not just letting him walk is much preferred than eating Collins.

I don't want Bridges, but I'd attach #29 to Collins to make him go away.

jbk1234 wrote:John Collins isn't a good defender and has negative trade value. I'd have grave concerns about the Hornets new FO if they did this.

Yeah I probably shouldn't have said good defender.

I like this trade because we get a bigger body and a true pf. Collins helps with rebounding while spacing the floor. I also like the fact he can play small ball center.

If we could get a pick as well that would be awesome.

babyjax13 wrote:I don't want Bridges, but I'd attach #29 to Collins to make him go away.

That would be fine with me.

Yeah, maybe the wrong Collins?

This is a lot worse than just letting Bridges go. Maybe a third team (who actually wants Bridges) adding value to Charlotte and Utah adding minor value if necessary at that point..

Why is Bridges signing with Utah? This always gets left out of these trades but can't be. He's a free agent. These teams can't just agree to this without him.

So the Jazz are having to pay and guarantee him the most money. Which seems really risky for a guy with a pretty flawed game who is never going to be a guy you feel is a stable part of your organization you can build around.

I think he's almost a lock to be a Hornet next year because they've already absorbed the PR hit and are desperate for talent and will make the whole we can't just let a guy go mistake. But because no team is going to guarantee this guy a bunch of money, he will have to take a deal with lots of non-gtd money just like Porter Jr did.

But assuming Utah feels like he's worth a big stupid contract and he chooses to take their money, then Charlotte should pass on just taking Collins back for no incentive. They can be terrible without him, they would be terrible with him.

Texas Chuck wrote:Why is Bridges signing with Utah? This always gets left out of these trades but can't be. He's a free agent. These teams can't just agree to this without him.

So the Jazz are having to pay and guarantee him the most money. Which seems really risky for a guy with a pretty flawed game who is never going to be a guy you feel is a stable part of your organization you can build around.

I think he's almost a lock to be a Hornet next year because they've already absorbed the PR hit and are desperate for talent and will make the whole we can't just let a guy go mistake. But because no team is going to guarantee this guy a bunch of money, he will have to take a deal with lots of non-gtd money just like Porter Jr did.

But assuming Utah feels like he's worth a big stupid contract and he chooses to take their money, then Charlotte should pass on just taking Collins back for no incentive. They can be terrible without him, they would be terrible with him.

There was a rumor that Utah/Cleveland/Detroit are the teams who will be interested in signing him this offseason. I guess he goes there for the money.

JustBuzzin wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Why is Bridges signing with Utah? This always gets left out of these trades but can't be. He's a free agent. These teams can't just agree to this without him.

So the Jazz are having to pay and guarantee him the most money. Which seems really risky for a guy with a pretty flawed game who is never going to be a guy you feel is a stable part of your organization you can build around.

I think he's almost a lock to be a Hornet next year because they've already absorbed the PR hit and are desperate for talent and will make the whole we can't just let a guy go mistake. But because no team is going to guarantee this guy a bunch of money, he will have to take a deal with lots of non-gtd money just like Porter Jr did.

But assuming Utah feels like he's worth a big stupid contract and he chooses to take their money, then Charlotte should pass on just taking Collins back for no incentive. They can be terrible without him, they would be terrible with him.

There was a rumor that Utah/Cleveland/Detroit are the teams who will be interested in signing him this offseason. I guess he goes there for the money.

If the Sixers strike out on George. I think Bridges could get a good offer from them. 4/100 possibly.

babyjax13 wrote:I don't want Bridges, but I'd attach #29 to Collins to make him go away.

if we do let Bridges walk, I'd take that

could we attach stuff like Bertans ($5M guarantee) or Richards or Martin to bring our numbers down a bit?

HornetJail wrote:could we attach stuff like Bertans ($5M guarantee) or Richards or Martin to bring our numbers down a bit?

Obviously, we talked about this, I imagine that this could be negotiated. Maybe Utah asks for 42 to be included or something (I don't really think so).

I don't mind trading Bridges to help LaMelo grow up but Collins isn't it

I do think a fringe contender/contender will give a good piece for Bridges. Despite what people think of him he's better than a lot of what's available and these teams don't have options

babyjax13 wrote:I don't want Bridges, but I'd attach #29 to Collins to make him go away.

The Sixers would be interested in that IMO.

babyjax13 wrote:I don't want Bridges, but I'd attach #29 to Collins to make him go away.

I'm with you halfway on this.

JustBuzzin wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Why is Bridges signing with Utah? This always gets left out of these trades but can't be. He's a free agent. These teams can't just agree to this without him.

So the Jazz are having to pay and guarantee him the most money. Which seems really risky for a guy with a pretty flawed game who is never going to be a guy you feel is a stable part of your organization you can build around.

I think he's almost a lock to be a Hornet next year because they've already absorbed the PR hit and are desperate for talent and will make the whole we can't just let a guy go mistake. But because no team is going to guarantee this guy a bunch of money, he will have to take a deal with lots of non-gtd money just like Porter Jr did.

But assuming Utah feels like he's worth a big stupid contract and he chooses to take their money, then Charlotte should pass on just taking Collins back for no incentive. They can be terrible without him, they would be terrible with him.

There was a rumor that Utah/Cleveland/Detroit are the teams who will be interested in signing him this offseason. I guess he goes there for the money.

There's been discussion locally in Utah that this is likely Klutch spin for leverage in negotiations with Charlotte. Not sure if that's just media speculation or from anonymous team sources.