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So it’s getting more likely that Dallas needs to open the MLE for DJJ, right? We hope he agrees to a 1+1player option of the tax MLE and then we can locked him up in 12 months.. But that’s a lot of potential loss money for a guy that probably gets one or four most of the MLE offers this summer. Maybe it’s not all of the MLE, maybe it’s only 10 million a year. It’s still a lot of money to sacrifice.

So.. THJ or Green need to find a home. With THJ being the more likely.

Charlotte has no reason not to Martin and Richards for THJ and a second, right? Assuming you can pawn Richards off on a team that wants a third center? That 8 million savings for Dallas is enough to use the MLE and stay under the apron? No reason to worry about dumping Martin since the roster would be full and under the apron, maybe Martin finally bounces back. Probably not?

Any other bad ideas in that style?

Would GS do GP and Looney, where Dallas dumps Looney on a third team? Don’t think Looney’s full salary would need to be guaranteed since GS is under the tax and can match using generous rules. So just a team with cap space or a TPE willing to eat 3 million in salary? A late second or cash.. GP is Dallas is not ideal, but 7 less million than THJ and you can offer DJJ a good enough more than the tax MLE while staying under the first apron..

I had tried a few different THJ for player making 4-9 million dollar (Grimes, Giddey, Caruso, Kispert) deals with varying value added in.. But just wanted to try cheap ways to cut 7-10 million in salary..

jayjaysee wrote:So it’s getting more likely that Dallas needs to open the MLE for DJJ, right? We hope he agrees to a 1+1player option of the tax MLE and then we can locked him up in 12 months.. But that’s a lot of potential loss money for a guy that probably gets one or four most of the MLE offers this summer. Maybe it’s not all of the MLE, maybe it’s only 10 million a year. It’s still a lot of money to sacrifice.

So.. THJ or Green need to find a home. With THJ being the more likely.

Charlotte has no reason not to Martin and Richards for THJ and a second, right? Assuming you can pawn Richards off on a team that wants a third center? That 8 million savings for Dallas is enough to use the MLE and stay under the apron? No reason to worry about dumping Martin since the roster would be full and under the apron, maybe Martin finally bounces back. Probably not?

Any other bad ideas in that style?

Would GS do GP and Looney, where Dallas dumps Looney on a third team? Don’t think Looney’s full salary would need to be guaranteed since GS is under the tax and can match using generous rules. So just a team with cap space or a TPE willing to eat 3 million in salary?.. GP is Dallas is not ideal, but 7 less million than THJ and you can offer DJJ a good enough more than the tax MLE while staying under the first apron..

I had tried a few different THJ for player making 4-9 million dollar (Grimes, Giddey, Caruso, Kispert) deals with varying value added in.. But just wanted to try cheap ways to cut 7-10 million in salary..

toronto fans were offering to take THJ on for their 2025 2nd back IIRC

I mean you absolutely have to call Detroit first right? We've seen them take on salary dumps for well below market price the past couple of off-seasons. THJ, the good Toronto 2nd, and a future 2nd for nothing feels like something they shouldn't do, but might do anyway.

Or maybe you add both Prosper and Grimes to that. Detroit gets the 2nds and resets the rookie clock and Dallas hopes Grimes is who cgf thinks he is? Prosper has to be worth at least as much as Grimes, right?

Love the premise of this thread and agree 100%. THJ and Green should be on the market for a dump of some sort

Is Utah really going to draft 3 guys this year? Might they trade 31 for Green and take him into space? His value is hard to gauge, I think he's mostly trash but I've been told I'm just a hater, so not sure.

WOuld a team desperate for shooting take THJ for a smaller deal?

Texas Chuck wrote:I mean you absolutely have to call Detroit first right? We've seen them take on salary dumps for well below market price the past couple of off-seasons. THJ, the good Toronto 2nd, and a future 2nd for nothing feels like something they shouldn't do, but might do anyway.

Or maybe you add both Prosper and Grimes to that. Detroit gets the 2nds and resets the rookie clock and Dallas hopes Grimes is who cgf thinks he is? Prosper has to be worth at least as much as Grimes, right?

Toronto would do that if Detroit wouldnt (we'd waive Brown)

Godaddycurse wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I mean you absolutely have to call Detroit first right? We've seen them take on salary dumps for well below market price the past couple of off-seasons. THJ, the good Toronto 2nd, and a future 2nd for nothing feels like something they shouldn't do, but might do anyway.

Or maybe you add both Prosper and Grimes to that. Detroit gets the 2nds and resets the rookie clock and Dallas hopes Grimes is who cgf thinks he is? Prosper has to be worth at least as much as Grimes, right?

Toronto would do that if Detroit wouldnt (we'd waive Brown)

If THJ gets traded to Toronto and then shoots 40% from 3 for 2 months and you start posting deals trading him for an expiring and 2 2nds, I will enjoy life here way too much.

Godaddycurse wrote:[

toronto fans were offering to take THJ on for their 2025 2nd back IIRC

Yeah, but Dallas doesn’t really need to dump all of THJ’s salary to stay under the first apron and use the full MLE. Staying under the tax has benefits definitely and that might be what it costs to dump THJ.

But was just trying to see what it costs to open the MLE or any situations where it costs nothing. You dump THJ completely and use the MLE - maybe you can use part of the created TPE later? But even then, I think Martin and the Toronto 2nd will be more valuable than a TPE and no second.

We know I’d rather trade both for firsts for a 3rd or 4th year and be real aggressive… Just was trying something smaller.

jayjaysee wrote:
Yeah, but Dallas doesn’t really need to dump all of THJ’s salary to stay under the first apron and use the full MLE.

Oh I misunderstood the assignment lol. You are simply trying to find teams that would want THJ as a player for a year if they could offset half or so of his salary by moving off money they don't want?

I think it might be easier to pay something to dump him? But maybe he has more of a market than I think. He has some positives:

He can get off a shot, like its best if he is catch and shoot, but he's not limited to that.
He's got good size/athleticism
He's a pro's pro. Exactly the kind of veteran you want in the room(even if his black hole nature means he's not always who you want on the court).

But he also has some negatives:

The shooting hasn't been consistent for a minute now
Other than drawing charges, he offers very little defensively
Black hole
I don't think Tim Sr is really a Ball dad issue, but he definitely will trash your team's best player publicly on you.

Texas Chuck wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:
Yeah, but Dallas doesn’t really need to dump all of THJ’s salary to stay under the first apron and use the full MLE.

Oh I misunderstood the assignment lol. You are simply trying to find teams that would want THJ as a player for a year if they could offset half or so of his salary by moving off money they don't want?

I think it might be easier to pay something to dump him? But maybe he has more of a market than I think. He has some positives:

He can get off a shot, like its best if he is catch and shoot, but he's not limited to that.
He's got good size/athleticism
He's a pro's pro. Exactly the kind of veteran you want in the room(even if his black hole nature means he's not always who you want on the court).

But he also has some negatives:

The shooting hasn't been consistent for a minute now
Other than drawing charges, he offers very little defensively
Black hole
[b{I don't think Tim Sr is really a Ball dad issue, but he definitely will trash your team's best player publicly on you.[/b]

Was gonna say Philly might listen on getting paid to take THJ, but can't have Embiid taking flak from THS.

Texas Chuck wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:
Yeah, but Dallas doesn’t really need to dump all of THJ’s salary to stay under the first apron and use the full MLE.

Oh I misunderstood the assignment lol. You are simply trying to find teams that would want THJ as a player for a year if they could offset half or so of his salary by moving off money they don't want?

I think it might be easier to pay something to dump him? But maybe he has more of a market than I think. He has some positives:

He can get off a shot, like its best if he is catch and shoot, but he's not limited to that.
He's got good size/athleticism
He's a pro's pro. Exactly the kind of veteran you want in the room(even if his black hole nature means he's not always who you want on the court).

But he also has some negatives:

The shooting hasn't been consistent for a minute now
Other than drawing charges, he offers very little defensively
Black hole
I don't think Tim Sr is really a Ball dad issue, but he definitely will trash your team's best player publicly on you.

Yeah. I feel like Martin and Richards or Payton and Looney were really low bars.. Did I need to go lower?

Sasha and Duarte with Duarte going to a third team?

Lower?

Boucher to Chicago
Carter to Dallas
THJ to Toronto

With Chicago paying whatever the Boucher/Carter swap is worth going to Toronto? Dallas trading 1yr16 for 2yr13?

That can’t be seen as too good a deal for Dallas right? But it does open the MLE and Carter maybe becomes a matching contract with Maxi in 12 months if Dallas can stay under the apron and add someone..

THJ and good size are an interesting combo of words. He's a 6'4 forward with 6'8 wingspan. Weighs 200 lbs. That's good size for a CPA or a line cook but not for a professional basketball player.
It'd be difficult for the Mavs to pawn off a $16 mil. a year catch and shoot specialist who's tiny for his position and shoots league average from the three. Detroit may have taken Joe Harris for 2 seconds but they were clearly positioning themselves for cap room this off-season and Dallas will have to convince them to give up on using the cap room for the privilege of 2 second rounders. Not seeing it.

THJ is a lot of bad things, tiny for his position isn't one of them
THJ + Powell + 25 1st for Tyus S&T + Kispert.

I need another handler.

THJ/Powell+Raptors SRP for Micic..?

BK_2020 wrote:THJ and good size are an interesting combo of words. He's a 6'4 forward with 6'8 wingspan. Weighs 200 lbs. That's good size for a CPA or a line cook but not for a professional basketball player.
It'd be difficult for the Mavs to pawn off a $16 mil. a year catch and shoot specialist who's tiny for his position and shoots league average from the three. Detroit may have taken Joe Harris for 2 seconds but they were clearly positioning themselves for cap room this off-season and Dallas will have to convince them to give up on using the cap room for the privilege of 2 second rounders. Not seeing it.

The FA class this year stinks to high hell so if (once) DET swings and misses on bigger fish I could see them taking on THJ for that TOR SRP. Also, taking THJ into space wont eat all of DET's cap room. They would still have space to sign some vets.

BlazersBroncos wrote:

BK_2020 wrote:THJ and good size are an interesting combo of words. He's a 6'4 forward with 6'8 wingspan. Weighs 200 lbs. That's good size for a CPA or a line cook but not for a professional basketball player.
It'd be difficult for the Mavs to pawn off a $16 mil. a year catch and shoot specialist who's tiny for his position and shoots league average from the three. Detroit may have taken Joe Harris for 2 seconds but they were clearly positioning themselves for cap room this off-season and Dallas will have to convince them to give up on using the cap room for the privilege of 2 second rounders. Not seeing it.

The FA class this year stinks to high hell so if (once) DET swings and misses on bigger fish I could see them taking on THJ for that TOR SRP. Also, taking THJ into space wont eat all of DET's cap room. They would still have space to sign some vets.

Why wouldn't they just offer $16 mil. to Derrick Jones Jr.? Would DJJ turn that down so he can take $13.65 from Dallas after Dallas trades THJ to Detroit?

Mavrelous wrote:THJ is a lot of bad things, tiny for his position isn't one of them
THJ + Powell + 25 1st for Tyus S&T + Kispert.

I had been playing with

Kispert to Dallas
THJ to Charlotte
Martin, Richards, Dallas value to Washington

To take advantage of Washington’s TPE’s and tax space. Figured I’d be told it had to be a first and didn’t want to go down that road.

The Tyus addition feels too expensive for what Dallas can play with.

Astaluego wrote:I need another handler.

THJ/Powell+Raptors SRP for Micic..?

Micic is a really terrible bad defender... He’s a great player to have play in games that don’t matter and get young players in the right spot / learning.. etc… but yeah. OKC moved on so quickly for a reason.

daoneandonly wrote:WOuld a team desperate for shooting take THJ for a smaller deal?

That’s what I was checking here.

I’m not even sure DJJ really needs the full MLE though. Just 3yr33 type, so you really can take back a decent amount of salary..

BK_2020 wrote:

BlazersBroncos wrote:

BK_2020 wrote:THJ and good size are an interesting combo of words. He's a 6'4 forward with 6'8 wingspan. Weighs 200 lbs. That's good size for a CPA or a line cook but not for a professional basketball player.
It'd be difficult for the Mavs to pawn off a $16 mil. a year catch and shoot specialist who's tiny for his position and shoots league average from the three. Detroit may have taken Joe Harris for 2 seconds but they were clearly positioning themselves for cap room this off-season and Dallas will have to convince them to give up on using the cap room for the privilege of 2 second rounders. Not seeing it.

The FA class this year stinks to high hell so if (once) DET swings and misses on bigger fish I could see them taking on THJ for that TOR SRP. Also, taking THJ into space wont eat all of DET's cap room. They would still have space to sign some vets.

Why wouldn't they just offer $16 mil. to Derrick Jones Jr.? Would DJJ turn that down so he can take $13.65 from Dallas after Dallas trades THJ to Detroit?

Totally agree. I’ve seen so many teams think Detroit is going to take on their trash for a SRP. Like you said, the Harris thing was a long shot and mostly just kicking the cap space down the road for THIS offseason. Weaver is on the hot seat and he’s going to play all his cards this time and get some players.

With $60M+ in cap space, what about Monk, Bridges and Claxton? All better moves than THJ. FA class isn’t great, but Pistons can do better than THJ.

Maybe if Orlando wants to transfer their cap space to the offseason of 25 (this year they did it by hiring veterans for 1 year) something with Okeke.. Tim gives them shots that's for sure and they need them,...???