Jalen Williams for Evan Mobley

Wolveswin · Post #1 » by **Wolveswin** » Sun May 19, 2024 7:43 pm

Two playoff teams who have been knocked out. Let’s explore this swap…who adds?

Cavs: even if they are not forced to make a PG decision soon (Mitchell or Garland), Jalen can work at SF. BUT, but when Cavs do make a decision, Jalen works well with either PG who gets the rose.

This trade breaks up the Allen | Mobley combo. And as some will argue, Allen is playing better. Cavs need to backfill forward spot, trading one of Garland or Mitchell could easily accomplish.

Thunder: Presti trades from a position of depth (guard) to build his long, longterm frontcourt. Mobley and Chet should work great together. Both 22, locked in and ready to make next step.

***We all know Presti has the most assets to trade in the business. No way realistic to think Cavs would trade Mobley for a collection of assets (not looking for nickels/quarters for their dollar).

Godaddycurse · Post #2 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sun May 19, 2024 7:45 pm

i can see how this raises the ceiling for OKC but not sure it does the same for cleveland.

babyjax13 · Post #3 » by **babyjax13** » Sun May 19, 2024 7:47 pm

I really like this. Cleveland needs a wing and Williams can play the 2 or the 3 depending on Mitchell-Garland. Mobley is a great fit with Chet and OKC would be a nightmare to score on.

kds92 · Post #4 » by **kds92** » Sun May 19, 2024 8:06 pm

Fits both teams well, but I have Mobley as worth more than JDub by at least a first (maybe I'm wrong).

Also think the Cavs still need to address the Mitchell/Garland pairing as the OP mentioned

mcfly1204 · Post #5 » by **mcfly1204** » Sun May 19, 2024 8:20 pm

I don't see Cleveland moving Mobley without a super star heading back to Cleveland. Swap Allen for Mobley, and start discussing how to balance the trade.

Residual-Heat · Post #6 » by **Residual-Heat** » Sun May 19, 2024 8:37 pm

The Thunder dont have to do anything drastic. They have a ton of picks to get a big man.

Post #7 » by **jbk1234** » Sun May 19, 2024 8:40 pm

For reasons that aren't entirely clear to me, I think Allen's time in Cleveland is over, which means that Mobley won't be traded.

Post #8 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun May 19, 2024 8:57 pm

I'm less sold on this for OKC. Maybe if OKC goes and gets another terrific offensive player, but we saw against Dallas they were too dependent on SGA against a good defense with a clear scheme against them. This only makes that issue worse.

Dn4sty · Post #9 » by **Dn4sty** » Sun May 19, 2024 9:06 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I'm less sold on this for OKC. Maybe if OKC goes and gets another terrific offensive player, but we saw against Dallas they were too dependent on SGA against a good defense with a clear scheme against them. This only makes that issue worse.

This is a what I think is the correct take as well.

BlazersBroncos · Post #10 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Sun May 19, 2024 10:10 pm

OKC isnt moving Jalen.

They could cobble something together for Allen IMO.

Would CLE be interested in Jerami Grant? What about -

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant, Duop Reath
PDX IN - Osumane Dieng, MIA 25 FRP, CLE choice of filler (Niang most likely)

OKC IN - Jarrett Allen
OKC OUT - Josh Giddey, Osumane Dieng, MIA 25 FRP

CLE OUT - Jarrett Allen, CLE choice of filler (Niang most likely)
CLE IN - Jerami Grant, Josh Giddey, Duop Reath

Wolveswin · Post #11 » by **Wolveswin** » Sun May 19, 2024 10:31 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:OKC isnt moving Jalen.

They could cobble something together for Allen IMO.

Would CLE be interested in Jerami Grant? What about -

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant, Duop Reath
PDX IN - Osumane Dieng, MIA 25 FRP, CLE choice of filler (Niang most likely)

OKC IN - Jarrett Allen
OKC OUT - Josh Giddey, Osumane Dieng, MIA 25 FRP

CLE OUT - Jarrett Allen, CLE choice of filler (Niang most likely)
CLE IN - Jerami Grant, Josh Giddey, Duop Reath

Why does Cleveland do this? Fact is they don’t. They are just as win now as OKC. Trade like this is one sided.

Wolveswin · Post #12 » by **Wolveswin** » Sun May 19, 2024 10:32 pm

jbk1234 wrote:For reasons that aren't entirely clear to me, I think Allen's time in Cleveland is over, which means that Mobley won't be traded.

I think because Cavs know they need to break up Mobley | Allen. And unless a trade like this presents itself - Allen is odd man out.

Wolveswin · Post #13 » by **Wolveswin** » Sun May 19, 2024 10:35 pm

Dn4sty wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:I'm less sold on this for OKC. Maybe if OKC goes and gets another terrific offensive player, but we saw against Dallas they were too dependent on SGA against a good defense with a clear scheme against them. This only makes that issue worse.

This is a what I think is the correct take as well.

How do you think Garland fits with SGA? Can OKC get a one stop shop of Jalen++ for Mobley and Garland.

BlazersBroncos · Post #14 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Sun May 19, 2024 10:35 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:OKC isnt moving Jalen.

They could cobble something together for Allen IMO.

Would CLE be interested in Jerami Grant? What about -

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant, Duop Reath
PDX IN - Osumane Dieng, MIA 25 FRP, CLE choice of filler (Niang most likely)

OKC IN - Jarrett Allen
OKC OUT - Josh Giddey, Osumane Dieng, MIA 25 FRP

CLE OUT - Jarrett Allen, CLE choice of filler (Niang most likely)
CLE IN - Jerami Grant, Josh Giddey, Duop Reath

Why does Cleveland do this? Fact is they don’t. They are just as win now as OKC. Trade like this is one sided.

Huh? They dramatically upgrade their forward rotation and also snag a rotation worthy backup C who can hit a 3.

G - Darius Garland / Donovan Mitchell
G - Donovan Mitchell / Max Strus / Sam Merrill
F - Josh Giddey / Caris LeVert
F - Jerami Grant / Dean Wade
C - Evan Mobley / Duop Reath

I can understand not liking the financial implications but that trade is 100% win now.

Wolveswin · Post #15 » by **Wolveswin** » Sun May 19, 2024 10:38 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:OKC isnt moving Jalen.

They could cobble something together for Allen IMO.

Would CLE be interested in Jerami Grant? What about -

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant, Duop Reath
PDX IN - Osumane Dieng, MIA 25 FRP, CLE choice of filler (Niang most likely)

OKC IN - Jarrett Allen
OKC OUT - Josh Giddey, Osumane Dieng, MIA 25 FRP

CLE OUT - Jarrett Allen, CLE choice of filler (Niang most likely)
CLE IN - Jerami Grant, Josh Giddey, Duop Reath

Why does Cleveland do this? Fact is they don’t. They are just as win now as OKC. Trade like this is one sided.

Huh? They dramatically upgrade their forward rotation and also snag a rotation worthy backup C who can hit a 3.

G - Darius Garland / Donovan Mitchell
G - Donovan Mitchell / Max Strus / Sam Merrill
F - Josh Giddey / Caris LeVert
F - Jerami Grant / Dean Wade
C - Evan Mobley / Duop Reath

I can understand not liking the financial implications but that trade is 100% win now.

That is if one likes Grant. I think he is negative value. Giddey has very little value.

Look at the Allen thread. Ingram, Murray and other players of that win-now caliber are mentioned (because that is what Cavs would want).

Post #16 » by **jbk1234** » Sun May 19, 2024 10:38 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:OKC isnt moving Jalen.

They could cobble something together for Allen IMO.

Would CLE be interested in Jerami Grant? What about -

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant, Duop Reath
PDX IN - Osumane Dieng, MIA 25 FRP, CLE choice of filler (Niang most likely)

OKC IN - Jarrett Allen
OKC OUT - Josh Giddey, Osumane Dieng, MIA 25 FRP

CLE OUT - Jarrett Allen, CLE choice of filler (Niang most likely)
CLE IN - Jerami Grant, Josh Giddey, Duop Reath

Why does Cleveland do this? Fact is they don’t. They are just as win now as OKC. Trade like this is one sided.

Huh? They dramatically upgrade their forward rotation and also snag a rotation worthy backup C who can hit a 3.

G - Darius Garland / Donovan Mitchell
G - Donovan Mitchell / Max Strus / Sam Merrill
F - Josh Giddey / Caris LeVert
F - Jerami Grant / Dean Wade
C - Evan Mobley / Duop Reath

I can understand not liking the financial implications but that trade is 100% win now.

No, this is just the Blazers inserting themselves, getting off Grant's salary, and walking away with the 2 best trade assets offered by OKC (which I wouldn't accept in return for Allen).

jordanwilliams6 · Post #17 » by **jordanwilliams6** » Sun May 19, 2024 10:43 pm

I don't see why OKC does this. They have enough assets to get a Mobley level player (not saying the Cavs would do it) without handing over an elite talent.

They can add to their existing roster without losing anything. I'd rely the natural development of Williams, Chet etc. and use Giddey plus draft picks to round out their rotation in areas of need.

Post #18 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Sun May 19, 2024 10:45 pm

SGA/Jalen/Chet are the untouchables. That’s the core. Maybe add some others but definitely them.

DowJones · Post #19 » by **DowJones** » Sun May 19, 2024 10:46 pm

Cavs wouldn’t do this.

Wolveswin · Post #20 » by **Wolveswin** » Sun May 19, 2024 10:47 pm

jordanwilliams6 wrote:I don't see why OKC does this. They have enough assets to get a Mobley level player (not saying the Cavs would do it) without handing over an elite talent.

They can add to their existing roster without losing anything. I'd rely the natural development of Williams, Chet etc. and use Giddey plus draft picks to round out their rotation in areas of need.

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