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OKC gets: Jarrett Allen
OKC sends: Josh Giddey, Lu Dort.

Why: OKC desperately needs more rebounding, dunking, and size. Allen provides that and Cason Wallace can take Dort's spot.

Orlando gets: CJ McCollum
Orlando sends: WCJ, $22m in cap space

Why: Get a vet leader who can score, shoot, and dribble at guard.

New Orleans gets: Darius Garland, WCJ, ~22m TPE
New Orleans sends: Brandon Ingram, CJ McCollum, top 10 protected 2025 pick, two seconds

Why: Get more shooting and hopefully a better fit around Zion.

Cleveland gets: Brandon Ingram, Josh Giddey, Lu Dort, top 10 protected 2025 pick of Pelicans, two seconds from Pelicans
Cleveland sends: Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen

Why: Replace the roster to fit around Mitchell and Mobley if Mitchell extends. Dort provides the perimeter defense they could use, Giddey can handle some PG duties, Brandon Ingram can be the secondary scorer on the team. This would need a commitment from Brandon Ingram that he would sign a max extension during the season, but I think this is likely considering that the Pelicans have already leaked that they are not going to give Ingram a max extension.

I would do this as a Cleveland fan.

There is no way the Cavs are trading Allen and Garland for this return. This is awful.

Dort is better than Okoro, but not enough to justify losing Allen and doubling the salary commitment for that role. Giddey has close to nuetral value going to a win now team.

Ingram is on an expiring contract and isn't agreeing to a reasonable extension. I have Garland as worth a lot more than a single protected 1st more than Ingram. I also suspect the trade market for Ingram is going to cool considerably when parties try to get together on an extend and trade number.

jbk1234 wrote:There is no way the Cavs are trading Allen and Garland for this return. This is awful.

Dort is better than Okoro, but not enough to justify losing Allen and doubling the salary commitment for that role. Giddey has close to nuetral value going to a win now team.

Ingram is on an expiring contract and isn't agreeing to a reasonable extension. I have Garland as worth a lot more than a single protected 1st more than Ingram. I also suspect the trade market for Ingram is going to cool considerably when parties try to get together on an extend and trade number.

You can just sign and trade Okoro to a rebuilding team with your picks, lol.

Okoro might have pretty decent value to a rebuilding team that thinks there's some upside left here.

Ingram doesn't have a ton of value because he's going to get wildly overpaid on his next deal, but Garland is a very small PG who can't defend coming off a down year so his value is going to be questionable as well.

I can't see Orlando moving WCJ for that, and they've already publicly stated that they're only looking to bring in two-way players and CJ is not that.

NotACat wrote:I can't see Orlando moving WCJ for that, and they've already publicly stated that they're only looking to bring in two-way players and CJ is not that.

Yep...you can sign a younger, injury-free Monk for that same $22m and keep WCJ

HadAnEffectHere wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:There is no way the Cavs are trading Allen and Garland for this return. This is awful.

Dort is better than Okoro, but not enough to justify losing Allen and doubling the salary commitment for that role. Giddey has close to nuetral value going to a win now team.

Ingram is on an expiring contract and isn't agreeing to a reasonable extension. I have Garland as worth a lot more than a single protected 1st more than Ingram. I also suspect the trade market for Ingram is going to cool considerably when parties try to get together on an extend and trade number.

You can just sign and trade Okoro to a rebuilding team with your picks, lol.

Okoro might have pretty decent value to a rebuilding team that thinks there's some upside left here.

Or, we could just extend Okoro the Q.O. and not trade Allen for that return.

Real talk here: Giddey isn't going to start for the Thunder anymore. He's got one year left on his rookie contract. He's not going to be happy moving to the bench in a contract year. The Thunder are fine giving him up.

As good as Dort is on defense, the opposing team is willing to let Dort try to beat them on the offensive end in the playoffs, and Dort has yet to show that's something he's able to do. That's a problem for OKC going forward and they know it.

These are the pieces OKC would love to move in this type of trade. You don't even add any draft capital.

I'm waiting to see if Ingram will give a preferred trade partner a break on an extension, but if not, if he goes the Siakam route, then the Pelicans are in for a long slog on that front.

Edit: I saw you added the bit about Garland so I'll just say the following: The Cavs have not yet agreed to trade Garland and it would be dumb to trade him now if that's his market (the public reporting is that his market is quite good). They can bring him back, let him go off for a half a season, and then move him. Garland is a good defensive rebounder and does a good job playing the passing lanes and coming up with steals, but like all smaller players, teams hunt him in the playoffs.

Think i'd go no to this for CLE. Maybe if Dort were headed elsewhere or there is a contingent deal moving Okoro, given those two are redundant. I don't mind bringing Giddey in, but that really isn't helping their roster imbalance.

HadAnEffectHere wrote:OKC gets: Jarrett Allen
OKC sends: Josh Giddey, Lu Dort.

Why: OKC desperately needs more rebounding, dunking, and size. Allen provides that and Cason Wallace can take Dort's spot.

Orlando gets: CJ McCollum
Orlando sends: WCJ, $22m in cap space

Why: Get a vet leader who can score, shoot, and dribble at guard.

New Orleans gets: Darius Garland, WCJ, ~22m TPE
New Orleans sends: Brandon Ingram, CJ McCollum, top 10 protected 2025 pick, two seconds

Why: Get more shooting and hopefully a better fit around Zion.

Cleveland gets: Brandon Ingram, Josh Giddey, Lu Dort, top 10 protected 2025 pick of Pelicans, two seconds from Pelicans
Cleveland sends: Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen

Why: Replace the roster to fit around Mitchell and Mobley if Mitchell extends. Dort provides the perimeter defense they could use, Giddey can handle some PG duties, Brandon Ingram can be the secondary scorer on the team. This would need a commitment from Brandon Ingram that he would sign a max extension during the season, but I think this is likely considering that the Pelicans have already leaked that they are not going to give Ingram a max extension.

Concern I would have is Cleveland would then have 3 max players - Mitchell, Ingram, Mobley. We are seeing what happens to teams that use that much of their capital on so few players.
Cleveland is not a destination spot for free agents to go and take a discount to win.

I get the logic, but I'm not really interested for OKC. Not a judgement on Allen. From the little I've seen, Allen is fine.

We need Chet at the five. Giving up two starters for our backup big isn't moving us in the right direction.

Cleveland is better off keeping their disgruntled players than taking these deals. Seriously, CLE would just wait for another superstar to come on the market and come in with the Allen/Garland/two 1sts/one swap and beat the conventional pick-heavy offers.

Skybox wrote:

NotACat wrote:I can't see Orlando moving WCJ for that, and they've already publicly stated that they're only looking to bring in two-way players and CJ is not that.

Yep...you can sign a younger, injury-free Monk for that same $22m and keep WCJ

you just hope Monk can become what CJ has been for years

toooskies wrote:Cleveland is better off keeping their disgruntled players than taking these deals. Seriously, CLE would just wait for another superstar to come on the market and come in with the Allen/Garland/two 1sts/one swap and beat the conventional pick-heavy offers.

How will superstar in his prime, Donovan Mitchell, feel about that 'wait patiently' approach?

tiderulz wrote:

Skybox wrote:

NotACat wrote:I can't see Orlando moving WCJ for that, and they've already publicly stated that they're only looking to bring in two-way players and CJ is not that.

Yep...you can sign a younger, injury-free Monk for that same $22m and keep WCJ

you just hope Monk can become what CJ has been for years

I’m not confident Monk will ever be on CJ’s level. I’d say it’s a lot less likely that CJ will be anywhere near CJ’s level (for long). I think Simons is there now and has been. The best argument for Monk is how gettable he is. Very good player but not the very best bet to continue to deliver.

I do think New Orleans and Cleveland are natural trade partners, as they each have what the other team needs. New Orleans definitely needs a Center and Point Guard and Cavs need a good starting SF along with wing shooting. Tell me what you think of Ingram, Nance Jr., Daniels and Murphy for Garland and Allen. Also, if any draft picks need inclusion either way. This trade would make sense to me for both teams.

phraoh wrote:I do think New Orleans and Cleveland are natural trade partners, as they each have what the other team needs. New Orleans definitely needs a Center and Point Guard and Cavs need a good starting SF along with wing shooting. Tell me what you think of Ingram, Nance Jr., Daniels and Murphy for Garland and Allen. Also, if any draft picks need inclusion either way. This trade would make sense to me for both teams.

You are not getting Murphy in any deal that doesn't include Mitchell. And you won't get BI on top of that.

cjmcallist wrote:I get the logic, but I'm not really interested for OKC. Not a judgement on Allen. From the little I've seen, Allen is fine.

We need Chet at the five. Giving up two starters for our backup big isn't moving us in the right direction.

Thunder are never getting past that Minnesota big frontcourt in a 7 game series with just Chet. They looked small even against Dallas. Allen is a better rebounder than anyone on the OKC roster and might also be the best roll man. Is switchable and can also hit a shot outside of 5'. He was the Cavs 2nd best player all season long until he got injured in the Orlando series. Wouldn't be on the trade block at all if their best young prospect Mobley didn't play the same position. Based on all the smoke I predict Allen likely ends up on the Pels but Presti certainly has enough assets to at least do the due diligence and inquire about him.

While NOP and CLE probably look like ideal trade partners because NOP has wings and Cleveland has guards and bigs, ultimately they're going to have trouble matching value because NOP probably got here by having a higher value on the wing archetype than Cleveland does. There are fundamental reasons that NOP ended up with a surplus of wings in the first place and that valuation is probably going to prevent the Cavs from going after them.

toooskies wrote:While NOP and CLE probably look like ideal trade partners because NOP has wings and Cleveland has guards and bigs, ultimately they're going to have trouble matching value because NOP probably got here by having a higher value on the wing archetype than Cleveland does. There are fundamental reasons that NOP ended up with a surplus of wings in the first place and that valuation is probably going to prevent the Cavs from going after them.

If Murphy declines to sign the discount extension he's being offered, it might be worth revisiting.

Looking at the OP again...IMO, WCJ is a better fit next to Chet and Allen would be a perfect Center for ORL. I recognize that they're not equal value...but ORL could. certainly up their offer and grab Allen instead and send WCJ to OKC. Possibly even still absorb CJ into cap space to hel facilitate the whole deal....but I wouldn't do it JUST for CJ.