IND/BKN/ATL/ORL - Mikal to Indy

[kds92]

Sending Mikal to Indy and Dejounte to Orlando.

IND In: Mikal
IND Out: Mathurin, Nesmith, 2028 1st (top 4 prot.)
Pacers upgrade at the wing with someone that can create offense. Ideally they may try to keep Nesmith in a Mikal deal.

BKN In: Mathurin, Black, Capela, 2025 ORL 1st, 2028 IND 1st (top 4 prot.)
BKN Out: Mikal, DFS
Nets get two good prospects and a couple 1sts for Mikal and DFS.

ATL In: Nesmith, WCJ, DFS
ATL Out: Dejounte, Capela
Hawks build a more complementary lineup around Trae with guys on good contracts. They shed some salary, but don't get a 1st.

ORL In: Dejounte
ORL Out: WCJ, Black, 2025 1st
Magic get their PG. Just need to get a center through FA to fill out the team.

[Godaddycurse]

I have Black and 2025 1st worth more than nesmith and dfs so atlanta should just cut out the others

[JKiddy]

We appreciate your creativity.

But, BK would not be getting enough to trade away both DFS (1st and a 2nd most likely) and Bridges (probably 3-4 1sts and a stud young player).

[Godaddycurse]

Bridges (probably 3-4 1sts and a stud young player).

Think that would be a bit rich even for last year, let alone now with him failing in a higher usage role and one less cheap yr left

[Texas Chuck]

Bridges (probably 3-4 1sts and a stud young player).

Think that would be a bit rich even for last year, let alone now with him failing in a higher usage role and one less cheap yr left

He's high on DFS too, but yeah you aren't getting a stud young player and 3 firsts for Bridges. Not sure you are getting a stud young player alone.

Bridges another player whose value is sky high for some posters because they make the mistake of combining his elite 3&D play in Phoenix, his 20 games of 1st option success, and thinking he still has 4 years left on his bargain contract.

If all of that was true, some of these asks are just fine. But they aren't. He's not a first option. Ideally he's not a 2nd option. He's a fabulous 3&D player who has now shown he can do more in a pinch, but also shown you don't want to overdo that.

Those guys on 2 year deals don't return premiums. They never have.

[HornetJail]

Atlanta trading Murray for a cast of role players would signal a rebuild, and they would probably just work with Orlando to get that package (plus some) from Orlando.

I really like Mikal for Indy but highly doubt Mathurin carries this package.

There are 3 or 4 workable ideas mashed here that may have merit by themselves but values aren't quite there for either of the top players.

[orlando_joe]

would hope magic go for bridges and cut others out like fit more

[Colbinii]

Why not just Mathurin/Nesmith/1st for Mikal?

Is there a reason the other teams are here?

[kds92]

Why not just Mathurin/Nesmith/1st for Mikal?

Is there a reason the other teams are here?

Yeah, main goal was to get Nesmith next to Trae since he's worked really well with Hali. I think the Nets really wouldn't have much of a need for Nesmith if they're rebuilding, and a contender could be willing to pay a premium for him given his good contract.

[drchaos]

There is no way the Nets will accept two first rounders (each from a team likely to make the playoffs next year) for Bridges.

Throwing in DFS for nothing makes this deal even worse for them.

[jayjaysee]

Feels like an easy yes for Brooklyn. They get two prospects worth tanking for and increase their 2025 cap space.

Nesmith is locked into a really nice contract and has played above expectations.. But I don’t know if he is worth Black and his ceiling/cheaper contract? I think he is, but think I am wrong and just miss Rick..

[jayjaysee]

There is no way the Nets will accept two first rounders (each from a team likely to make the playoffs next year) for Bridges.

Throwing in DFS for nothing makes this deal even worse for them.

So you add no value for the two high end prospects being included?

[drchaos]

There is no way the Nets will accept two first rounders (each from a team likely to make the playoffs next year) for Bridges.

Throwing in DFS for nothing makes this deal even worse for them.

So you add no value for the two high end prospects being included?

Not as much value as the players going out.

[jayjaysee]

There is no way the Nets will accept two first rounders (each from a team likely to make the playoffs next year) for Bridges.

Throwing in DFS for nothing makes this deal even worse for them.

So you add no value for the two high end prospects being included?

Not as much value as the players going out.

Doedoe isn’t worth either of those prospects..

Bridges for the two good prospects and the 2028 first. DFS for the Orlando first and Capela.

It’s a really strong package as a fan of none of the teams involved.

[drchaos]

So you add no value for the two high end prospects being included?

Not as much value as the players going out.

Doedoe isn’t worth either of those prospects..

Bridges for the two good prospects and the 2028 first. DFS for the Orlando first and Capela.

It’s a really strong package as a fan of none of the teams involved.

How about we just do the second part?

[jayjaysee]

Not as much value as the players going out.

Doedoe isn’t worth either of those prospects..

Bridges for the two good prospects and the 2028 first. DFS for the Orlando first and Capela.

It’s a really strong package as a fan of none of the teams involved.

How about we just do the second part?

As a Dallas fan, I don’t see how DFS is worth a future pick without very strong protection. And we love DFS more than the biggest Brooklyn fan does?

But I think Atlanta would be simplifying this for everyone. If they’re getting Nesmith and love him, they don’t need DFS with the wing depth they’d have. So take him and the first out.

If they’re not getting Nesmith, they likely cut both teams out and just take Orlando’s offer and move Capela else where.

Whichever way I turn it, Brooklyn shouldn’t be the team complaining about value?

[drchaos]

Doedoe isn’t worth either of those prospects..

Bridges for the two good prospects and the 2028 first. DFS for the Orlando first and Capela.

It’s a really strong package as a fan of none of the teams involved.

How about we just do the second part?

As a Dallas fan, I don’t see how DFS is worth a future pick without very strong protection. And we love DFS more than the biggest Brooklyn fan does?

But I think Atlanta would be simplifying this for everyone. If they’re getting Nesmith and love him, they don’t need DFS with the wing depth they’d have. So take him and the first out.

If they’re not getting Nesmith, they likely cut both teams out and just take Orlando’s offer and move Capela else where.

Whichever way I turn it, Brooklyn shouldn’t be the team complaining about value?

Considering that Kyrie was part of the deal the Nets made to get DFS a Dallas fan of all people should appreciate why the Nets should be complaining about the value.

[jayjaysee]

How about we just do the second part?

As a Dallas fan, I don’t see how DFS is worth a future pick without very strong protection. And we love DFS more than the biggest Brooklyn fan does?

But I think Atlanta would be simplifying this for everyone. If they’re getting Nesmith and love him, they don’t need DFS with the wing depth they’d have. So take him and the first out.

If they’re not getting Nesmith, they likely cut both teams out and just take Orlando’s offer and move Capela else where.

Whichever way I turn it, Brooklyn shouldn’t be the team complaining about value?

Considering that Kyrie was part of the deal the Nets made to get DFS a Dallas fan of all people should appreciate why the Nets should be complaining about the value.

I think Kyrie’s trade value was really impacted at the time of trade and Dallas took a big risk trading for someone with 20 games left on their contract.. it worked out though so far..

But also DFS had a lot more value with three playoff runs of a bargain contract and a 39% three point percentage than he does with one year coming off a 35% three point percentage..

DFS is still a great player and most team would love to have him, but his value should clearly be less than when he was younger, better, and locked up longer… right?

Not even sure what I said that was controversial? That teams would only trade a heavily protected future first for him? I think that’s what most would agree his value is. A pick in the very late teens I this draft feels idealistic, and future picks would be limited with strong protection

[drchaos]

As a Dallas fan, I don’t see how DFS is worth a future pick without very strong protection. And we love DFS more than the biggest Brooklyn fan does?

But I think Atlanta would be simplifying this for everyone. If they’re getting Nesmith and love him, they don’t need DFS with the wing depth they’d have. So take him and the first out.

If they’re not getting Nesmith, they likely cut both teams out and just take Orlando’s offer and move Capela else where.

Whichever way I turn it, Brooklyn shouldn’t be the team complaining about value?

Considering that Kyrie was part of the deal the Nets made to get DFS a Dallas fan of all people should appreciate why the Nets should be complaining about the value.

I think Kyrie’s trade value was really impacted at the time of trade and Dallas took a big risk trading for someone with 20 games left on their contract.. it worked out though so far..

But also DFS had a lot more value with three playoff runs of a bargain contract and a 39% three point percentage than he does with one year coming off a 35% three point percentage..

DFS is still a great player and most team would love to have him, but his value should clearly be less than when he was younger, better, and locked up longer… right?

DFS still has a great contract.

Even if the Nets need to throw in a couple second rounders or include DFS in a larger deal they should hold out for something in the neighborhood of a first round pick.

[jayjaysee]

Considering that Kyrie was part of the deal the Nets made to get DFS a Dallas fan of all people should appreciate why the Nets should be complaining about the value.

I think Kyrie’s trade value was really impacted at the time of trade and Dallas took a big risk trading for someone with 20 games left on their contract.. it worked out though so far..

But also DFS had a lot more value with three playoff runs of a bargain contract and a 39% three point percentage than he does with one year coming off a 35% three point percentage..

DFS is still a great player and most team would love to have him, but his value should clearly be less than when he was younger, better, and locked up longer… right?

DFS still has a great contract.

Even if the Nets need to throw in a couple second rounders or include DFS in a larger deal they should hold out for something in the neighborhood of a first round pick.

I said they could get a first but it would be really well protected? That’s what you quoted me saying..

DFS is now very likely an expiring. He might be underpaid by 3-5 million this year, but he’s just an expiring now. He’s going to want to add years to his contract at 32 years old not 33, I think..

If he opts in, it likely means he played poorly and the decline started or he is injured.. maybe there’s an opt in and extend road to explore next February?