Embiid to Hawks

[Wolveswin]

Getting in on today’s Embiid sweepstakes. Let’s assume no Paul George and 76ers lose free agency…

3rd Team Trade: (this example Spurs)
Keldon Johnson + 2x 1sts (Bulls and worst of Spurs and Hawks)
FOR
Murray
Why= get a PG.

Hawks Trade:
Murray + Jalen Johnson + Capela + Rights to #1 (Sarr) + 25 Kings 1st + 29 Hawks 1st
FOR
Embiid
Why= All-in on Embiid | Young duo with enough supporting cast leftover.
Embiid | Okongwu
Okongwu | Hunter
Hunter | Bey (re-sign)
BB | Griffin
Trae | Bufkin
Add MLE, vets and ring chasers.

76ers Trade:
Embiid
FOR
#1 (Sarr) + Jalen Johnson + Keldon Johnson + Picks
+ 2x 1sts from Spurs
+25 Kings 1st (via Hawks)
+29 Hawks 1st

Still a decent 76ers team (not owning own 1sts) with ton of cap flexibility.
Capela | Sarr
Sarr | Reed
Jalen Johnson
Keldon Johnson
Maxey

[Kizz Fastfists]

If I'm the 76ers I jump on it. The Hawks can have my injury prone player over the age of 30 for that package and enjoy their suffering.

[Wolveswin]

If I'm the 76ers I jump on it. The Hawks can have my injury prone player over the age of 30 for that package and enjoy their suffering.

What if that 29 Hawks 1st was taken out? Add 28 Hawks swap. That way Hawks could cobble together enough assets for one more follow up trade (2x 1sts + Bufkin + Okongwu could get a nice F upgrade).

[Kizz Fastfists]

If I'm the 76ers I jump on it. The Hawks can have my injury prone player over the age of 30 for that package and enjoy their suffering.

What if that 29 Hawks 1st was taken out? Add 28 Hawks swap. That way Hawks could cobble together enough assets for one more follow up trade (2x 1sts + Bufkin + Okongwu could get a nice F upgrade).

If I'm the 76ers I still do it. You are missing the point I was making. Embiid is injury prone and over 30. This would be the Hawks sabotaging any chances of winning in the near future. No team that genuinely wants to win is trading for Embiid and Philly needs to dump him while they can because they might not make the playoffs again as long as they have him. How many games do you feel comfortable betting on him playing next year? 50? If you set the over/under at 50 and forced me to bet on it I'd take the under.

[azuresou1]

Hell no. Embiid is always injured, that's too expensive of a price, and that roster is flat out not good enough to win.

I don't know if I straight up flip Jalen Johnson for Embiid, given where the team and Embiid are.

[HotelVitale]

If I'm the 76ers I jump on it. The Hawks can have my injury prone player over the age of 30 for that package and enjoy their suffering.

What if that 29 Hawks 1st was taken out? Add 28 Hawks swap. That way Hawks could cobble together enough assets for one more follow up trade (2x 1sts + Bufkin + Okongwu could get a nice F upgrade).

If I'm the 76ers I still do it. You are missing the point I was making. Embiid is injury prone and over 30. This would be the Hawks sabotaging any chances of winning in the near future. No team that genuinely wants to win is trading for Embiid and Philly needs to dump him while they can because they might not make the playoffs again as long as they have him. How many games do you feel comfortable betting on him playing next year? 50? If you set the over/under at 50 and forced me to bet on it I'd take the under.

If a MVP candidate guy is playing 50 games and posting 33/11/6 in the PO, not sure how that’s ‘sabotaging’ a meh team’s chance to win. (Also Embiid has played 50+ on 8 of the last 9 seasons and it took a gun to your head to bet he’d play slightly less than 50.)

[One_and_Done]

76ees aren't trading Embiid, and Spurs aren't paying that much for Dejounte.

[Kizz Fastfists]

If a MVP candidate guy is playing 50 games and posting 33/11/6 in the PO, not sure how that’s ‘sabotaging’ a meh team’s chance to win. (Also Embiid has played 50+ on 8 of the last 9 seasons and it took a gun to your head to bet he’d play slightly less than 50.)

I wouldn't be the over/under without being forced because his injuries are too unpredictable. He's averaged 43 games per NBA season for his career. If you ignore the first two where he missed the whole season it only goes up to 54 games. He is on the wrong side of 30 so I'd take the under if you set if you set it at 54, or 50, and I had to bet on it. I tend to avoid coinflip bets like that. He's never had a team make the ECF and I would happily bet against the Hawks making it if you paired him with Trae and whatever was left on that roster after trading for him.

[Threezus]

Im not against trading for Embidd but im not adding Jalen Johnson in any deal to go get him.

[kds92]

I get the logic, and honestly the value seems reasonable, but you just don't trade an MVP even if he's getting older. There's a good chance the next 10 #1 picks won't win an MVP.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Think the value is there, but the injury concerns would scare me away. I mean it would definitely be an "All-in" push. Cupboards would be dry at this point, so there's not a ton much more we can do to improve. Would have to assume, if healthy, Embiid gives us top 2 contender status in the East with Trae. It's just, if Embiid isn't healthy, then we're probably not even a play-in team.

[Wolveswin]

Think the value is there, but the injury concerns would scare me away. I mean it would definitely be an "All-in" push. Cupboards would be dry at this point, so there's not a ton much more we can do to improve. Would have to assume, if healthy, Embiid gives us top 2 contender status in the East with Trae. It's just, if Embiid isn't healthy, then we're probably not even a play-in team.

I see a Trae as little better than Maxey. Calm down 76ers fan, it’s really darn close - but Trae has lead a team deep into playoffs. And this trade is about building an all-in playoff team. So, Embiid with Trae improvement, little better supporting cast than he had LY in Philly, and ability to add talent around the edges (more so if they keep that 2029 1st back). But…

If Hawks went for it and just didn’t work out, they can rebuild pretty quickly - no harm no foul kind of wash their hands moment.

Trae to highest bidder (maybe Spurs for that 2027 1st back plus).

Embiid to highest bidder (plenty of all-in teams would want to give picks plus for Embiid).

Hawks could try this a year or two then adjust based on results. But idea would be to have some ECF under the belt, a happy Trae, and organizational success to show.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Think the value is there, but the injury concerns would scare me away. I mean it would definitely be an "All-in" push. Cupboards would be dry at this point, so there's not a ton much more we can do to improve. Would have to assume, if healthy, Embiid gives us top 2 contender status in the East with Trae. It's just, if Embiid isn't healthy, then we're probably not even a play-in team.

I see a Trae as little better than Maxey. Calm down 76ers fan, it’s really darn close - but Trae has lead a team deep into playoffs. And this trade is about building an all-in playoff team. So, Embiid with Trae improvement, little better supporting cast than he had LY in Philly, and ability to add talent around the edges (more so if they keep that 2029 1st back). But…

If Hawks went for it and just didn’t work out, they can rebuild pretty quickly - no harm no foul kind of wash their hands moment.

Trae to highest bidder (maybe Spurs for that 2027 1st back plus).

Embiid to highest bidder (plenty of all-in teams would want to give picks plus for Embiid).

Hawks could try this a year or two then adjust based on results. But idea would be to have some ECF under the belt, a happy Trae, and organizational success to show.

Count me as one of few Hawks fans that saw the ECF's run as a fluke, but to the credit of that team, we had a lot more quality depth than what we would be staring at here.

If we completely owned our FRP's in the next 3 years, then going all in would be more realistic. Having to keep robbing Peter, to pay Paul, after we spent our best assets to even be in this position, just seems too risky.

Sure we could just blow it all up in 2 years, but wouldn't that be counter intuitive from the jump. Giving ourselves a 2 year window to make it work, while continuing to burn thru future assets just ain't sitting right with me.

[GutUNC]

If a MVP candidate guy is playing 50 games and posting 33/11/6 in the PO, not sure how that’s ‘sabotaging’ a meh team’s chance to win. (Also Embiid has played 50+ on 8 of the last 9 seasons and it took a gun to your head to bet he’d play slightly less than 50.)

I wouldn't be the over/under without being forced because his injuries are too unpredictable. He's averaged 43 games per NBA season for his career. If you ignore the first two where he missed the whole season it only goes up to 54 games. He is on the wrong side of 30 so I'd take the under if you set if you set it at 54, or 50, and I had to bet on it. I tend to avoid coinflip bets like that. He's never had a team make the ECF and I would happily bet against the Hawks making it if you paired him with Trae and whatever was left on that roster after trading for him.

And that number is still incorrect because you're counting the covid year as missed injury time.