Cle / Utah

[JJ_PR]

Cleveland receives: Lauri Markkanen, Walker Kessler, Collin Sexton and 10th pick in this draft.
Utah receives: Darius Garland and Jarrett Allen

Why?
Cleveland fixes their frontcourt by putting Markkanen next to Mobley, Kessler would be a great back-up, Sexton is a great bench player and with the 10th pick, we can draft someone like Devin Carter.
Utah moves on from Markkanen as they try to become relevant again. Garland and Allen give them two foundational pieces to build a winner.

This trade only goes through if Markkanen accepts a contract extension as part of the transaction.

[Colbinii]

Really bad for Utah.

[Colbinii]

I just don't think Jarrett Allen holds the value Cleveland fans want him to hold. He is a good player, but I doubt most NBA teams would pay top-price for a Center like Allen.

I could see someone like NOP offering up 2 picks + filler for him, but that's about the top-end evaluation I see of his value.

Think about what Minnesota payed for Gobert--a 3 time DPOY at the time and HoF level player. They traded salary filler and future picks/prospects. They didn't trade Win-Now piece(s) for him.

The same is true for Allen. A team is trading for him by adding him to an elite Top 6-7 like New Orleans Pelicans. Maybe someone like Memphis or Oklahoma City offer up some picks/filler.

But you aren't getting an equal or better Win-Now talent in return for Allen.

[SkyHook]

Zero interest from Utah.

[JJ_PR]

Spoiler:

I just don't think Jarrett Allen holds the value Cleveland fans want him to hold. He is a good player, but I doubt most NBA teams would pay top-price for a Center like Allen.

I could see someone like NOP offering up 2 picks + filler for him, but that's about the top-end evaluation I see of his value.

Think about what Minnesota payed for Gobert--a 3 time DPOY at the time and HoF level player. They traded salary filler and future picks/prospects. They didn't trade Win-Now piece(s) for him.

The same is true for Allen. A team is trading for him by adding him to an elite Top 6-7 like New Orleans Pelicans. Maybe someone like Memphis or Oklahoma City offer up some picks/filler.

But you aren't getting an equal or better Win-Now talent in return for Allen.

I'm aware that Allen isn't a star, but he's very close to it. He kept this team afloat when we dealt with injuries. He was key in that 18-2 stretch. When you add Garland as well, I think Utah definitely considers it. That gives them two positions locked up for the foreseeable future, and they keep all of our picks.

[babyjax13]

Kessler and Sexton for Allen seems okay value wise, but I don't think we are ready for that kind of move. I don't love Lauri for Garland, I think the value is probably okay since Lauri is a more valuable archetype and, imo, a better player, but Garland is locked in and younger. I think this is 1 asset too many on value and just wrong directionally for Utah.

[jbk1234]

The Cavs aren't doing this. Kessler is cheaper but much, much worse than Allen. He wouldn't start. Sexton wouldn't start. He's a much worse fit next to Mitchell and the Cavs have already concluded that he's best as a used as a 6th man. Lauri would start, but he's only under contract for one more season.

[SkyHook]

Kessler and Sexton for Allen seems okay value wise, but I don't think we are ready for that kind of move. I don't love Lauri for Garland, I think the value is probably okay since Lauri is a more valuable archetype and, imo, a better player, but Garland is locked in and younger. I think this is 1 asset too many on value and just wrong directionally for Utah.

And, to me, Garland is far less valuable than Allen. No catch all metric is perfect, but EPM is better than most. In terms of percentiles:

Markannen 94th

Sexton 89th
Allen 88th


Garland 72nd

Kessler 62nd

[DowJones]

This would not be good for Cleveland.

[mg]

I do like Allen but this is a really bad trade for Utah.

[tidho]

Take out the pick and it's more even.

Not really sure what the point of this would be for Utah directionally, but also not sure what they're trying to accomplish. If they agree would be happy say yes for CLE.

[JJ_PR]

Take out the pick and it's more even.

Not really sure what the point of this would be for Utah directionally, but also not sure what they're trying to accomplish. If they agree would be happy say yes for CLE.

Danny Ainge likes to compete while getting picks from other teams. He's the opposite of Sam Hinkie, doesn't like to tank much. They are going nowhere with their current roster, but a Garland / Allen duo surrounded by good role players would definitely improve their odds of making the playoffs.

[mg]

Take out the pick and it's more even.

Not really sure what the point of this would be for Utah directionally, but also not sure what they're trying to accomplish. If they agree would be happy say yes for CLE.

Danny Ainge likes to compete while getting picks from other teams. He's the opposite of Sam Hinkie, doesn't like to tank much. They are going nowhere with their current roster, but a Garland / Allen duo surrounded by good role players would definitely improve their odds of making the playoffs.

Lauri is the best player in this deal. I do think Ainge could potentially trade him if he's blown over with assets/picks but this does nothing for Utah in terms of eventually competing with the big boys in the WC. Utah would NOT be adding a lottery pick to this type deal which already favors the Cavs.

Allen is good but only signed for 2 more seasons. Lauri's skillset is just worth so much more in today's NBA.

The truth is finally coming out about Garland. He's undersized and plays at a snail's pace. He couldn't finish a layup in the playoffs. He turns the ball over at an alarming rate. He's another SG type masquerading as a PG. The Jazz already have a younger, bigger player in Keyonte at a fraction of the price to fill that role. Garland does not fit next to Keyonte. The Jazz already have defensive issues without adding another small guard in Garland. This is not something that Ainge would consider.

[PurpleGreenGold]

As others have mentioned. The Jazz don't consider this. Lauri is the best player listed, and you want Sexton (arguably better than Garland), and Kessler (Allen is much better) AND a lottery pick?? Not a chance.

[jbk1234]

As others have mentioned. The Jazz don't consider this. Lauri is the best player listed, and you want Sexton (arguably better than Garland), and Kessler (Allen is much better) AND a lottery pick?? Not a chance.

There are some Cavs fans who still love Sexton the player, but they don't work in the Cleveland front office, and I promise you that no one who works in the front office believes Sexton is better than Garland.

[gswhoops]

Take out the pick and it's more even.

Not really sure what the point of this would be for Utah directionally, but also not sure what they're trying to accomplish. If they agree would be happy say yes for CLE.

Danny Ainge likes to compete while getting picks from other teams. He's the opposite of Sam Hinkie, doesn't like to tank much. They are going nowhere with their current roster, but a Garland / Allen duo surrounded by good role players would definitely improve their odds of making the playoffs.

Lauri is the best player in this deal. I do think Ainge could potentially trade him if he's blown over with assets/picks but this does nothing for Utah in terms of eventually competing with the big boys in the WC. Utah would NOT be adding a lottery pick to this type deal which already favors the Cavs.

Allen is good but only signed for 2 more seasons. Lauri's skillset is just worth so much more in today's NBA.

The truth is finally coming out about Garland. He's undersized and plays at a snail's pace. He couldn't finish a layup in the playoffs. He turns the ball over at an alarming rate. He's another SG type masquerading as a PG. The Jazz already have a younger, bigger player in Keyonte at a fraction of the price to fill that role. Garland does not fit next to Keyonte. The Jazz already have defensive issues without adding another small guard in Garland. This is not something that Ainge would consider.

It's a bit disingenuous to make this argument without acknowledging that Lauri only has one more season on his contract.

[gswhoops]

As others have mentioned. The Jazz don't consider this. Lauri is the best player listed, and you want Sexton (arguably better than Garland), and Kessler (Allen is much better) AND a lottery pick?? Not a chance.

Let's not go overboard here

[sip]

Spoiler:

I just don't think Jarrett Allen holds the value Cleveland fans want him to hold. He is a good player, but I doubt most NBA teams would pay top-price for a Center like Allen.

I could see someone like NOP offering up 2 picks + filler for him, but that's about the top-end evaluation I see of his value.

Think about what Minnesota payed for Gobert--a 3 time DPOY at the time and HoF level player. They traded salary filler and future picks/prospects. They didn't trade Win-Now piece(s) for him.

The same is true for Allen. A team is trading for him by adding him to an elite Top 6-7 like New Orleans Pelicans. Maybe someone like Memphis or Oklahoma City offer up some picks/filler.

But you aren't getting an equal or better Win-Now talent in return for Allen.

I'm aware that Allen isn't a star, but he's very close to it. He kept this team afloat when we dealt with injuries. He was key in that 18-2 stretch. When you add Garland as well, I think Utah definitely considers it. That gives them two positions locked up for the foreseeable future, and they keep all of our picks.

No Utah does not consider this. It is terrible value for them.

[SkyHook]

As others have mentioned. The Jazz don't consider this. Lauri is the best player listed, and you want Sexton (arguably better than Garland), and Kessler (Allen is much better) AND a lottery pick?? Not a chance.

Let's not go overboard here

Nothing overboard here. Sexton was better at less than half the price, even more so when you look at his starter vs reserve splits.

[jbk1234]

As others have mentioned. The Jazz don't consider this. Lauri is the best player listed, and you want Sexton (arguably better than Garland), and Kessler (Allen is much better) AND a lottery pick?? Not a chance.

Let's not go overboard here

Nothing overboard here. Sexton was better at less than half the price, even more so when you look at his starter vs reserve splits.

The Jazz should definitely continue to build around him as lead guard then.