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Actually, a very loaded question...I just want to confirm my thoughts on it

SAC can't exceed $17.8m per and, therefore, can't even do a SnT to get value back for Monk. All SAC has is the fact that Monk is tight with teammates and played very well in his role there...I don't sense that's enough. He's made it clear that he wants to start and his teammates have said all of those things about "we support whatever he does" (which, loosely translated, means "go get paid, bro"). I assume that SAC could sign him to a one-year deal and renegotiate next year, without the same constraints...but I don't see him, at his peak value, agreeing to that.

ORL has a perfect role for him to spread his wings and LOTS of cap space. I don't think they overpay, but I could see a $22 x 4yr deal, with a heavy frontload (I don't know how that's calculated, but good for Monk and good for ORL, who have rookie extensions looming).
I think that's enough of a boost for a guy whose career earnings are only $36.7m and was making a vet min in LAL just a couple of years ago. He's got to grab it NOW, imo.

I don't think SAS is really a fit. I could see Pop looking more at an efficient table-setter like Tyus Jones to continue his slow, methodical Wemby build.

I don't think DET needs yet another undersized, on-ball guy in their backcourt. UTA too.

IND doesn't make sense with their loaded backcourt.

Who offers more and which cap space team offers a better fit/opportunity to make an impact and compete immediately and for years to come?

I think it comes down to Orlando. There's a lot of scoring guards they might have an interest in that are or might be on the market (Monk, Simons, Murray, Herro, etc.). If they feel that Monk is their guy they'll offer starter money and likely get him. If not I'd expect him to resign with Sacramento.

I'd be surprised if Monk gets merely 22 mil per year. Dillon Brooks got 21.5 per year last offseason. You have to think Monk will get more as the more valuable player entering FA with one year of salary inflation and plus the new TV deal is now in the bag.

It will never happen because that bridge burned down years ago, but I would welcome Malik back to Charlotte with open arms. His exist was about 95% organization failure and about 5% his fault.

giberish wrote:I think it comes down to Orlando. There's a lot of scoring guards they might have an interest in that are or might be on the market (Monk, Simons, Murray, Herro, etc.). If they feel that Monk is their guy they'll offer starter money and likely get him. If not I'd expect him to resign with Sacramento.

If Orlando can get one of the other guards via trade, it makes more sense for them than signing Monk outright. Magic have to pay Wagner and Suggs (possibly Isaac) with their space.
Another option could be Pelicans (move McCollum and Ingram), bring in Monk.

The Spurs are a great fit for Monk. People constantly overemphasize the team's need for a point guard. First, Jones has been fine. As a starter last year, he averaged 11/4/7, shot 39 percent from three and had one of the best defensive grades on the team. The Spurs can improve over Jones -- but that's not what's hurting them.

The Spurs wouldn't be signing Monk to be their starting PG. They'd be signing him to do exactly what he has done for the past could of years. Monk and Johnson would be the focal points to what could be the best bench in the league. Jones would keep his starting job next to Vassell and might lose time to Monk or play with him in the closing lineup. They could draft a defender like Castle and re-sign Osman using the room exception and end up with the following:

First Unit: Jones/Vassell/(SF to be named later)/Sochan/Wembanyama
Second Unit: Castle/Monk/Johnson/Osman/Collins

I'd personally like them to sign Derrick Jones with the room exception and use their other first to fill in the backup PF slot with someone like Salaun. But Jones' market may well grow past the RE.

I agree Spurs are a good spot for Monk. They have the money and role to offer him and he would fit well

BK_2020 wrote:I'd be surprised if Monk gets merely 22 mil per year. Dillon Brooks got 21.5 per year last offseason. You have to think Monk will get more as the more valuable player entering FA with one year of salary inflation and plus the new TV deal is now in the bag.

That's why I'm asking ...who has the means and the fit and is willing to bid against ORL?

Chinook wrote:The Spurs are a great fit for Monk. People constantly overemphasize the team's need for a point guard. First, Jones has been fine. As a starter last year, he averaged 11/4/7, shot 39 percent from three and had one of the best defensive grades on the team. The Spurs can improve over Jones -- but that's not what's hurting them.

The Spurs wouldn't be signing Monk to be their starting PG. They'd be signing him to do exactly what he has done for the past could of years. Monk and Johnson would be the focal points to what could be the best bench in the league. Jones would keep his starting job next to Vassell and might lose time to Monk or play with him in the closing lineup. They could draft a defender like Castle and re-sign Osman using the room exception and end up with the following:

First Unit: Jones/Vassell/(SF to be named later)/Sochan/Wembanyama
Second Unit: Castle/Monk/Johnson/Osman/Collins

I'd personally like them to sign Derrick Jones with the room exception and use their other first to fill in the backup PF slot with someone like Salaun. But Jones' market may well grow past the RE.

things could change and money helps but I've heard from his mouth that he wants to be a starter. He and Suggs are beautifully matched as a complementary STARTING backcourt

If the Pistons don’t draft Sheppard, I’d love for Detroit to sign him.

louc1970 wrote:

giberish wrote:I think it comes down to Orlando. There's a lot of scoring guards they might have an interest in that are or might be on the market (Monk, Simons, Murray, Herro, etc.). If they feel that Monk is their guy they'll offer starter money and likely get him. If not I'd expect him to resign with Sacramento.

If Orlando can get one of the other guards via trade, it makes more sense for them than signing Monk outright. Magic have to pay Wagner and Suggs (possibly Isaac) with their space.
Another option could be Pelicans (move McCollum and Ingram), bring in Monk.

I don't see that. If you're paying Monk over $20M long-term you really need him in a starting role. At a bare minimum you'd need to be a high-minutes backup who's playing a lot of minutes with starters. Orlando would need their other addition to be a SG sized guy (and they'd need to have moved Anthony). It's possible but unlikely.

I would ask the question back to you - how much do you believe in the reports the Magic are looking for 2 way players?
Because if you take stock into that, Monk isn't being signed by the Magic.
The player I think they will try and get is KCP. They can sign him to a shorter contract - 3 years $80m (maybe front loaded) - and they get a defensive SG to form a Boston like defensive backcourt while they have their Brown/Tatum (Franz/Paulo). All this while Black and Howard can develop and eventually take over from the aging KCP.

I was 100% on Monk staying at the Kings up to the noise about Mike Brown's contract. It will still get done, and it is largely just people throwing stuff against the wall, but IMO Monk doesn't sign unless Brown has an extension already. If he doesn't have one he is gone.

Chinook wrote: Jones' market may well grow past the RE.

after this playoffs? its well past the RE

OxAndFox wrote:I would ask the question back to you - how much do you believe in the reports the Magic are looking for 2 way players?
Because if you take stock into that, Monk isn't being signed by the Magic.
The player I think they will try and get is KCP. They can sign him to a shorter contract - 3 years $80m (maybe front loaded) - and they get a defensive SG to form a Boston like defensive backcourt while they have their Brown/Tatum (Franz/Paulo). All this while Black and Howard can develop and eventually take over from the aging KCP.

I was 100% on Monk staying at the Kings up to the noise about Mike Brown's contract. It will still get done, and it is largely just people throwing stuff against the wall, but IMO Monk doesn't sign unless Brown has an extension already. If he doesn't have one he is gone.

no, it's largely hometown thinking to just say "it will get done" and not consider everything the thread is talking about and his market

BoogieTime wrote:

OxAndFox wrote:I would ask the question back to you - how much do you believe in the reports the Magic are looking for 2 way players?
Because if you take stock into that, Monk isn't being signed by the Magic.
The player I think they will try and get is KCP. They can sign him to a shorter contract - 3 years $80m (maybe front loaded) - and they get a defensive SG to form a Boston like defensive backcourt while they have their Brown/Tatum (Franz/Paulo). All this while Black and Howard can develop and eventually take over from the aging KCP.

I was 100% on Monk staying at the Kings up to the noise about Mike Brown's contract. It will still get done, and it is largely just people throwing stuff against the wall, but IMO Monk doesn't sign unless Brown has an extension already. If he doesn't have one he is gone.

no, it's largely hometown thinking to just say "it will get done" and not consider everything the thread is talking about and his market

Talking about Brown.

Godaddycurse wrote:

Chinook wrote: Jones' market may well grow past the RE.

after this playoffs? its well past the RE

The RE isn't tiny. It's about half-way between what Dallas can offer and the MLE. I don't disagree he might be past that. But I'm not sure that he's to the point where a bad Finals or horrible WCF if that's the timeline that plays out, wouldn't drop him back down. He's playing well, but he's riding a narrative almost as much.

OxAndFox wrote:I would ask the question back to you - how much do you believe in the reports the Magic are looking for 2 way players?
Because if you take stock into that, Monk isn't being signed by the Magic.
The player I think they will try and get is KCP. They can sign him to a shorter contract - 3 years $80m (maybe front loaded) - and they get a defensive SG to form a Boston like defensive backcourt while they have their Brown/Tatum (Franz/Paulo). All this while Black and Howard can develop and eventually take over from the aging KCP.

I was 100% on Monk staying at the Kings up to the noise about Mike Brown's contract. It will still get done, and it is largely just people throwing stuff against the wall, but IMO Monk doesn't sign unless Brown has an extension already. If he doesn't have one he is gone.

ORL's not going to keep running two 3&D guys as a backcourt...they need someone who can initiate at least some of the time. Monk's the guy.

Skybox wrote:

OxAndFox wrote:I would ask the question back to you - how much do you believe in the reports the Magic are looking for 2 way players?
Because if you take stock into that, Monk isn't being signed by the Magic.
The player I think they will try and get is KCP. They can sign him to a shorter contract - 3 years $80m (maybe front loaded) - and they get a defensive SG to form a Boston like defensive backcourt while they have their Brown/Tatum (Franz/Paulo). All this while Black and Howard can develop and eventually take over from the aging KCP.

I was 100% on Monk staying at the Kings up to the noise about Mike Brown's contract. It will still get done, and it is largely just people throwing stuff against the wall, but IMO Monk doesn't sign unless Brown has an extension already. If he doesn't have one he is gone.

ORL's not going to keep running two 3&D guys as a backcourt...they need someone who can initiate at least some of the time. Monk's the guy.

I think it's at least something of an issue. GM's and teams have types of players that they like. Orlando clearly likes length and defense and is willing to hope for enough shooting.

This leaves a roster that really needs another shooter/perimeter scorer but that's not really Orlando's type. So do they go for their typical type? or a guy who complements the roster more?

giberish wrote:

Skybox wrote:

OxAndFox wrote:I would ask the question back to you - how much do you believe in the reports the Magic are looking for 2 way players?
Because if you take stock into that, Monk isn't being signed by the Magic.
The player I think they will try and get is KCP. They can sign him to a shorter contract - 3 years $80m (maybe front loaded) - and they get a defensive SG to form a Boston like defensive backcourt while they have their Brown/Tatum (Franz/Paulo). All this while Black and Howard can develop and eventually take over from the aging KCP.

I was 100% on Monk staying at the Kings up to the noise about Mike Brown's contract. It will still get done, and it is largely just people throwing stuff against the wall, but IMO Monk doesn't sign unless Brown has an extension already. If he doesn't have one he is gone.

ORL's not going to keep running two 3&D guys as a backcourt...they need someone who can initiate at least some of the time. Monk's the guy.

I think it's at least something of an issue. GM's and teams have types of players that they like. Orlando clearly likes length and defense and is willing to hope for enough shooting.

This leaves a roster that really needs another shooter/perimeter scorer but that's not really Orlando's type. So do they go for their typical type? or a guy who complements the roster more?

Suggs clearly established himself as an elite 3&D guy...he also established himself as NOT a PG or reliable ballhandler or offensive creator for others. Starting him with Gary Harris, who is exactly the same was only an indicator that ORL lacks any semblance of a functional PG, or even combo guard worthy of starting. KCP would be an upgrade of Harris, but still the wrong type of player. ORL went very far DESPITE an impotent offensive backcourt...adding a guy that would make things easier for Paolo & Franz as well as put up some of his own, to a reliable degree, is the next logical step.

louc1970 wrote:Another option could be Pelicans (move McCollum and Ingram), bring in Monk.

That's actually a really interesting option I hadn't thought of yet. Interestingly, Monk has the same agent as both Ingram and McCullom. If Pels can trade McCullom and Nance and/ Ingram to teams with cap space (DET, CHA, ORL)-- then they'd have real cap space to outbid teams for Monk and/ or Claxton/ Hartenstein. Unlikely, but interesting.

For example--

CJ + Nance to DET
Stewart + 2nds to NOP
(Could also be to ORL: CJ + #21 for WCJ)

Ingram + Liddell to CHA
Martin + Mann + #6 + MIA '27 first (lotto-prot.) to NOP

Draft one of Sheppard, Clingan, Topic whoever is left.

Decline JRE's team option, exercise Matt Ryan's TO.

Pelicans sign Monk to 4/$96mil. contract
Then make a strong offer to Hartenstein or Claxton, if they strike out, move on to Goga and Jalen Smith as options.

Stewart/ *Clingan
Zion/ J. Smith/ Martin
Murphy/ Daniels/ Ryan
Herb/ Hawkins
Monk/ Jose/ Mann

That lineup would be so much more fun than with Ingram and McCullom.