[UTA - DAL - SAC] Collins + picks to SAC, Sexton to DAL, 13 to UTA

[babyjax13]

UTA trades: John Collins, Colin Sexton, 2024 OKC 1st (29), 2024 WAS 2nd (32)
in: Harrison Barnes, Kevin Huerter, Chris Duarte, 2024 SAC 1st (13)
My two targets for the Jazz are Kyshawn George and Tristan da Silva and I'd like to see if we could use assets other than future 1sts/Lauri to add both. Utah might need to use some 2nds to move Duarte into another team's space to have enough room to R+E Lauri. Eyeballing it, I think it leaves us short by about Duarte's money after signing our rookies.

DAL trades: Tim Hardaway Jr., 2025 DAL 1st (1-12 protected)
in: Colin Sexton
Dallas gets another guy who can create his own offense and act as a second option for the games that Kyrie misses.

SAC trades: Harrison Barnes, Kevin Huerter, Chris Duarte, 2024 SAC 1st (13)
in: John Collins, Tim Hardaway Jr, 2024 OKC 1st (29), 2024 WAS 2nd (32), 2025 DAL 1st (1-12 protected)
Sacramento gets a good fit at power forward, gets rid of some future money (in 2025-26 Collins is paid $25.8 million and Barnes + Huerter is $36.9 million), gets a reasonable Monk impersonator, and in return for trading the 13th pick adds three cost-controlled assets. Another option is to cut Dallas out.

[mg]

I don't see it.

Maybe John Collins ends up being Plan B or Plan C for the Kings depending on how the offseason plays out. I don't see them including #13 for him though.

Also I think Ainge will at least see if he can acquire a "star" this offseason before trading off Sexton, even if the odds are stacked against it. At that point I guess they can just extend Lauri and try to tank with him on the roster next season.

[babyjax13]

I don't see it.

Maybe John Collins ends up being Plan B or Plan C for the Kings depending on how the offseason plays out. I don't see them including #13 for him though.

Also I think Ainge will at least see if he can acquire a "star" this offseason before trading off Sexton, even if the odds are stacked against it. At that point I guess they can just extend Lauri and try to tank with him on the roster next season.

My thought was that the picks are close-ish in value to 13 while giving Sacramento more shots at rookie scale guys and Collins for Barnes + Huerter is close in value since it is a bad but not horrid money round-robin. But you are probably right that this doesn't do it, obviously Grant is a better player and he seems like a better target for 13.

[Mavrelous]

That's a yes from DAL, small tweak though, I'd add AJ Lawson (TO next year), to avoid hardcapping at 1st Apron.

[mg]

I don't see it.

Maybe John Collins ends up being Plan B or Plan C for the Kings depending on how the offseason plays out. I don't see them including #13 for him though.

Also I think Ainge will at least see if he can acquire a "star" this offseason before trading off Sexton, even if the odds are stacked against it. At that point I guess they can just extend Lauri and try to tank with him on the roster next season.

My thought was that the picks are close-ish in value to 13 while giving Sacramento more shots at rookie scale guys and Collins for Barnes + Huerter is close in value since it is a bad but nor horrid money round-robin. But you are probably right that this doesn't do it, obviously Grant I'd a better player and he seems like a better target for 13.

Yeah I think the value is close. The Kings will probably look into alot of options this offseason including someone like Grant, so there's no need for them to go down the Collins road before the draft. Now if we get to July I could see them cobble together a deal for Collins if their other options fail to materialize. I'm still a fan of Collins and believe he would fit just fine playing next to a big like Sabonis who can both pass and hit a shot outside of 10'.

[daoneandonly]

That's a yes from DAL, small tweak though, I'd add AJ Lawson (TO next year), to avoid hardcapping at 1st Apron.

I guess Im alone on the Dallas island here. COlin Sexton is right there with CJ McCollum and Jordan Poole for worst defensive player in the league. Rather not give up a first for that

[Astaluego]

That's a yes from DAL, small tweak though, I'd add AJ Lawson (TO next year), to avoid hardcapping at 1st Apron.

I guess Im alone on the Dallas island here. COlin Sexton is right there with CJ McCollum and Jordan Poole for worst defensive player in the league. Rather not give up a first for that

You are not alone...I would add that Hardy is progressing adequately for that role (he is only 21 years old) and above all I think we are already at that point where we should only use our limited assets on 2-way players. Caruso would be my main objective

[jayjaysee]

I think the only problem with OP is you can’t give up on keeping DJJ at the draft… Dallas needs to either shed money or replace DJJ.

Using the 2025 first and accomplishing neither of those things leaves Dallas in a rough spot. Missing a starter and only have minor value (2nds/Prosper/Hardy) and a distant first to fill it.

I’d love to think you can add Sexton and keep DJJ on the taxMLE for one year, then use early bird rights to daily pay him.. But the playoffs have made me go from 30% chance of that to about 3%?

If somehow Dallas knew Detroit was giving DJJ 16 million a year, and Dallas was able to turn Maxi/Green into Wiggins? Or maybe a Hunter trade like Chuck’s idea, I do the OP.

Sacramento shouldn’t do it. But I’ve seen a lot of their fans like Collins so maybe they see something I don’t. I’d demand a 2025 first instead of the 2024 first.. Sac is losing value on the players and on the picks here so Utah needs to adjust the value IMO

For fake ideas, I think if I’m open to trading a first for Sexton.. I find out how much more to turn THJ into Giddey instead as that opens the MLE up and Realgm has Giddey valued really lowly.

[Texas Chuck]

.I would add that Hardy is progressing adequately for that role (he is only 21 years old) and above all I think we are already at that point where we should only use our limited assets on 2-way players.

I'm pleasantly surprised that when Hardy got thrust into a small rotation role in this series he's been aggressive and at times effective, but I do not share your confidence in him as a 3rd creator/scorer and a guy who can be the 2nd option 25x a year which feels like a conservative number of combined games missed for Ky/Luka next year.

Now, ideally yes a two-way guy is better and I agree with jay that retaining or replacing Jones is a higher priority than 6th man, but I definitely think Dallas could use another guy. No idea why THJ fell off a cliff, but I don't want to count on him next year and Exum had that really nice run during the season, but his offensive confidence appears to be at Delon Wright levels so can't count on him.

Now, I'm okay with not using an asset and going for a Clarkson or an Anthony or another lessor option, but I do want that role addressed from the outside.

[LightTheBeam]

I can't see this as close for sac. From a value and on court standpoint it makes zero sense.

Barnes = Collins
Huerter > THJ
#13 > that hodge podge collection of late 1st/early 2nds.

We don't get better this year, we take on the 2 worst contracts in the deal, and we lose the best pick to do so.

I can see a Collins to Sac deal with summer, but this version doesn't feel fixable.

[HadAnEffectHere]

The only reason to trade Sexton is if we're also trading Markkanen to tank.

Sexton ascended to being an actually great scorer last year and he has some shot still of being a superstar PG. It's not a great chance... But it's a chance.

Right now, Sexton has no value because 6'1" SGs are not valuable at all and getting back a zero upside pick shows that and we only should trade him in a very thorough, 14-68 like tank.

[daoneandonly]

.I would add that Hardy is progressing adequately for that role (he is only 21 years old) and above all I think we are already at that point where we should only use our limited assets on 2-way players.

I'm pleasantly surprised that when Hardy got thrust into a small rotation role in this series he's been aggressive and at times effective, but I do not share your confidence in him as a 3rd creator/scorer and a guy who can be the 2nd option 25x a year which feels like a conservative number of combined games missed for Ky/Luka next year.

Now, ideally yes a two-way guy is better and I agree with jay that retaining or replacing Jones is a higher priority than 6th man, but I definitely think Dallas could use another guy. No idea why THJ fell off a cliff, but I don't want to count on him next year and Exum had that really nice run during the season, but his offensive confidence appears to be at Delon Wright levels so can't count on him.

Now, I'm okay with not using an asset and going for a Clarkson or an Anthony or another lessor option, but I do want that role addressed from the outside.

We definitely need another creator for sure. I think it may make sense to take on the extra year of Cole Anthony if Orl would want to swap him for THJ. That shaves a few mil off the Mavs payroll this year and maybe they can find a way to clear out the remaining few (Powell and 2nd to Tor?) to re-sign DJJ

[tcheco]

I don't like the fit of Collins on the Kings. Collins best moments with the Jazz was when he took over at Center, right? Seems like a bad use of their assets to add an underwhelming player with questionable fit. Kelly Olynyk woul be better and cheaper probably

[tester551]

Why not just simplify this trade significantly:

Collins + future 2nd
for
Barnes + Salary filler (Duarte or Jones)

[babyjax13]

Why not just simplify this trade significantly:

Collins + future 2nd
for
Barnes + Salary filler (Duarte or Jones)

Because that has been posted over and over again and the point was to see if there was a fair Collins + assets trade that could net 13 (which, the consensus is - 'not on draft day').

[OGSactownballer]

That's a yes from DAL, small tweak though, I'd add AJ Lawson (TO next year), to avoid hardcapping at 1st Apron.

I guess Im alone on the Dallas island here. COlin Sexton is right there with CJ McCollum and Jordan Poole for worst defensive player in the league. Rather not give up a first for that

This part.

I’m just wondering why Dallas - on the brink of the NBA finals - would trade their sixth man and a pick for a wash offensively and defensive sieve.

[babyjax13]

That's a yes from DAL, small tweak though, I'd add AJ Lawson (TO next year), to avoid hardcapping at 1st Apron.

I guess Im alone on the Dallas island here. COlin Sexton is right there with CJ McCollum and Jordan Poole for worst defensive player in the league. Rather not give up a first for that

This part.

I’m just wondering why Dallas - on the brink of the NBA finals - would trade their sixth man and a pick for a wash offensively and defensive sieve.

Because that doesn't really describe Sexton? He's several tiers above Hardaway as an offensive player (last two seasons with Utah 60%+TS) he scales up as a starter (full season at 24ppg on 57%TS, 21/3/6 in 51 games as a starter this season on 61%TS) and he at least competes really, really hard on defense (even if undersized, especially as a shooting guard). Hardaway is a career 55%TS player with 3 seasons above 56%. He's had 2 seasons in his career scoring over 17ppg (in 11 seasons) while Sexton has had 3 (in 6 seasons, one cut to 11 games by injury). Sexton is clearly a high-efficiency 20ppg scorer with minutes because he has done it two times in Cleveland and did it as a starter here last year, Hardaway can't do that. Sexton can also play point guard and has developed quite a bit in Utah. He's certainly more of a combo-guard, but he is a competent manager of an offense.

The only reason Sexton *might* be available for a protected 2025 1st is because his defense will never be positive with his frame. If he could even be average he'd be a top ~50ish player.

[HadAnEffectHere]

I guess Im alone on the Dallas island here. COlin Sexton is right there with CJ McCollum and Jordan Poole for worst defensive player in the league. Rather not give up a first for that

This part.

I’m just wondering why Dallas - on the brink of the NBA finals - would trade their sixth man and a pick for a wash offensively and defensive sieve.

Because that doesn't really describe Sexton? He's several tiers above Hardaway as an offensive player (last two seasons with Utah 60%+TS) he scales up as a starter (full season at 24ppg on 57%TS, 21/3/6 in 51 games as a starter this season on 61%TS) and he at least competes really, really hard on defense (even if undersized, especially as a shooting guard). Hardaway is a career 55%TS player with 3 seasons above 56%. He's had 2 seasons in his career scoring over 17ppg (in 11 seasons) while Sexton has had 3 (in 6 seasons, one cut to 11 games by injury). Sexton is clearly a high-efficiency 20ppg scorer with minutes because he has done it two times in Cleveland and did it as a starter here last year, Hardaway can't do that. Sexton can also play point guard and has developed quite a bit in Utah. He's certainly more of a combo-guard, but he is a competent manager of an offense.

The only reason Sexton *might* be available for a protected 2025 1st is because his defense will never be positive with his frame. If he could even be average he'd be a top ~50ish player.

Yeah, I don't know, I think this is giving up on Sexton for too little unless we're going for an ultra tank. 105 TS+ on high volume is just great offense and like... Sexton could hypothetically defend PGs... He doesn't have worse defensive tools than Jalen Brunson... It's a very long shot he learns how to be an average passer and defender at PG at this point in his career, but it's... a shot. Passing on low probability of success, high upside gambles for a team in as bad of a situation as Utah is weird. Sexton is the only path to a star creator the Jazz have in the next five years or so (even if there's like a 2% chance of that).

(This is also why I wanted the Jazz to get Ayton).

[Apz]

I dont know. Dont think i would be willing to use a 1st on someone that cant hold their own on defense and would be like 4th in the pecking order. Also, every time i see his name i remember getting 2nd hand embarrasment from draftnight when he pretty much begged lbj to stay in cleveland. If ytah tearing it down use both picks to snatch lauri, bigger holes in the roster there

[Mavrelous]

That's a yes from DAL, small tweak though, I'd add AJ Lawson (TO next year), to avoid hardcapping at 1st Apron.

I guess Im alone on the Dallas island here. COlin Sexton is right there with CJ McCollum and Jordan Poole for worst defensive player in the league. Rather not give up a first for that

This part.

I’m just wondering why Dallas - on the brink of the NBA finals - would trade their sixth man and a pick for a wash offensively and defensive sieve.

Kyrie is a 60 games/yr, Luka is 70/yr and Exum is 50/yr, Mavs need reliable scoring and rim pressure option for RS, this was part of the reason Mavs were 50 wins this year and not 55 wins.