Butler to PHI - How many (and which) picks makes this viable

aguiar95 · Post #1 » by **aguiar95** » Wed May 29, 2024 1:43 pm

PHI in: Butler
Phi out: Reed, Council, #16, #41, '26 PHI 1st, '28 LAC 1st.

Why? Go All-in on a familiar face, Jimmy gets his extension and still leaves cap to fill the rest of the roster.

MIA in: Reed, Council, #16, #41, '26 PHI 1st, '28 LAC 1st.
MIA out: Butler

Why? Deal Butler after negociations on the extension fall apart and get still a pretty good return.

Post #2 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed May 29, 2024 1:50 pm

yeah if Miami is up for trading him and if Philly is really okay with paying assets to get him and giving him a contract that makes him happy, I see no issues with the value here.

Colbinii · Post #3 » by **Colbinii** » Wed May 29, 2024 1:52 pm

Seems a bit steep and I'm not sure who Philly is bidding against.

The age-old PG13 vs Jimmy saga continues.

jayjaysee · Post #4 » by **jayjaysee** » Wed May 29, 2024 2:07 pm

I really don’t like trading for Butler before you know if you can sign PG for free. I think George’s contract will be a good amount less due to the expected 10% jump next season.. or Pascal*

I think any Butler trade should happen well after free agency started so using 16th and 41st is probably a bit off. But maybe it’s just “players drafted”

For Miami - getting this much cap relief and a first with real upside along with other value feels like a win if you are thinking about retooling. Whether you tank a year or get aggressive with the 40 million dollar TPE and 4-5 firsts, who knows.

Skybox · Post #5 » by **Skybox** » Wed May 29, 2024 2:13 pm

Couldn't MIA send him somewhere for actual players or do we believe Pat Riley has any intention of a blowup and rebuild? doesn't seem like the MIA way. Can't imagine Bam loves the idea.

Wolveswin · Post #6 » by **Wolveswin** » Wed May 29, 2024 2:34 pm

Skybox wrote:Couldn't MIA send him somewhere for actual players or do we believe Pat Riley has any intention of a blowup and rebuild? doesn't seem like the MIA way. Can't imagine Bam loves the idea.

This.

If 76ers wants Jimmy and Jimmy wants 76ers…the responsibility is on Philly to get what Miami wants - and it isn’t meh picks that do nothing to keep Bam happy and wins happening in Miami.

Wolveswin · Post #7 » by **Wolveswin** » Wed May 29, 2024 2:44 pm

^I think Markkanen would be a good target for Miami. Should be no flight risk in south beach.

To Philly: Butler + Clarkson?

To Jazz: Jovic + 1sts from 76ers to tune of Butler value + 1sts as needed from Heat to get Ainge to say yes

To Heat: Markkanen + Sexton? And/Or Collins?

Bam
Markkanen
Jaquez
Herro | Rozier
Rozier or Sexton?

jayjaysee · Post #8 » by **jayjaysee** » Wed May 29, 2024 2:50 pm

Skybox wrote:Couldn't MIA send him somewhere for actual players or do we believe Pat Riley has any intention of a blowup and rebuild? doesn't seem like the MIA way. Can't imagine Bam loves the idea.

If Miami isn’t going to pay Butler his max, they are choosing to lose him in 12 months right? Someone is going to offer him a 3yr max next offseason..

So Bam would like it better if they turn down the Sixers offer and have Jimmy for one year and then have no assets to rebuild with? Because Morey couldn’t find the third team?

I’m all for keeping Jimmy and going over the second apron and adding to the roster, etc but that involves paying the player..

Post #9 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Wed May 29, 2024 3:01 pm

Im not sold the unprotected clippers pick is a meh asset.

_GH0ST_ · Post #10 » by **_GH0ST_** » Wed May 29, 2024 3:26 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:Im not sold the unprotected clippers pick is a meh asset.

There is no way to get Butler without Clips pick.

Colbinii · Post #11 » by **Colbinii** » Wed May 29, 2024 3:36 pm

Skybox wrote:Couldn't MIA send him somewhere for actual players or do we believe Pat Riley has any intention of a blowup and rebuild? doesn't seem like the MIA way. Can't imagine Bam loves the idea.

The idea that the Miami Heat would just sit on assets is pretty mind-boggling to me.

This is Step 1 in an off-season re-build. The next step is picking at #16 and then offering up/shopping 2026 PHI 1st, 2028 LAC 1st, 2029 MIA 1st [or next available] and 2031 MIA 1st.

Rozier
Herro
Robinson/Jovic
JJJ
Bam

+#16 and #41

They need to identify what their goal is with Caleb Martin and then Love/Richardson/Bryant.

Assuming this is just the end goal for Miami is silly.

Colbinii · Post #12 » by **Colbinii** » Wed May 29, 2024 3:36 pm

_GH0ST_ wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:Im not sold the unprotected clippers pick is a meh asset.

There is no way to get Butler without Clips pick.

Who is offering more than the LAC offer without the Clips pick?

Skybox · Post #13 » by **Skybox** » Wed May 29, 2024 3:51 pm

Butler for Mitchell or Garland?

Colbinii · Post #14 » by **Colbinii** » Wed May 29, 2024 3:56 pm

Skybox wrote:Butler for Mitchell or Garland?

So Cleveland, with 2 "Centers", add a PF in Butler, who kills whatever spacing was already on Cleveland?

Skybox · Post #15 » by **Skybox** » Wed May 29, 2024 3:59 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Skybox wrote:Butler for Mitchell or Garland?

So Cleveland, with 2 "Centers", add a PF in Butler, who kills whatever spacing was already on Cleveland?

either Mitchell or Garland ARE going to go. Their weakest spot is SF, which is Butler's real position...what they do with their 2 Centers is another thread.

Hoops23 · Post #16 » by **Hoops23** » Wed May 29, 2024 4:08 pm

The Heat love to keep Butler, thats the truth.
But personally, 3 FRPs and cap relief is a tempting offer.

arbsn · Post #17 » by **arbsn** » Wed May 29, 2024 4:15 pm

I think the Siakam package makes sense which is 3 non lottery picks and salary filler

PhillyNj · Post #18 » by **PhillyNj** » Wed May 29, 2024 4:16 pm

aguiar95 wrote:PHI in: Butler
Phi out: Reed, Council, #16, #41, '26 PHI 1st, '28 LAC 1st.

Why? Go All-in on a familiar face, Jimmy gets his extension and still leaves cap to fill the rest of the roster.

MIA in: Reed, Council, #16, #41, '26 PHI 1st, '28 LAC 1st.
MIA out: Butler

Why? Deal Butler after negociations on the extension fall apart and get still a pretty good return.

Hugh overpay. If Butler leaves he will return less than the last 3 times he was traded.
Your expectation is way off line to his actual value.

Colbinii · Post #19 » by **Colbinii** » Wed May 29, 2024 4:23 pm

Skybox wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Skybox wrote:Butler for Mitchell or Garland?

So Cleveland, with 2 "Centers", add a PF in Butler, who kills whatever spacing was already on Cleveland?

either Mitchell or Garland ARE going to go. Their weakest spot is SF, which is Butler's real position...what they do with their 2 Centers is another thread.

Nah, Butler is more of a PF now. You need at least 4 shooters on the court to be successful in the NBA. Butler isn't a spot-up shooter nor is he reliable. He had his best post-season runs playing the 4 next to Bam with 3 other shooters.

Putting him next to Mobley and Allen is going to be offensive suicide.

Post #20 » by **oldncreaky** » Wed May 29, 2024 4:35 pm

arbsn wrote:I think the Siakam package makes sense which is 3 non lottery picks and salary filler

Interesting comparison

Would I rather have Siakam for his age 30-34 years, or Butler for his age 30-34 years ? Clearly Butler.

Would I rather have Siakam for his age 30-34 years, or Butler for his age 35-38 years? Clearly Siakam.

In that light, either the OP over-values Butler, or Indy got Siakam at a discount.