Dallas idea. 2025 and 2031 firsts

[jayjaysee]

Pretty much.

We see LAL rumored to be in ball park for Garland, Trae, etc offering 17th and 2 distant unprotected firsts and swaps. Dallas doesn’t need someone nearly that good and doesn’t have nearly that much value.

Who is the best player Dallas can get for matching salary and both firsts? Add Prosper, Hardy, 2nds. The matching salary varies from slightly negative but not painful at all (THJ) to more negative but every few games you think you have a long term piece (Green) to more negative but useful (Maxi)..

Or do you keep the 2031 first in case Luka leaves? Or in case Luka stays and you want more assets for the eventual retool when Kyrie declines and Luka is still an MVP level player hopefully?

To me, I’m going aggressive even if Dallas wins the championship somehow this year. I just don’t know who that guy is? Who falls between Mikal and Grant in terms of value, impact, and availability in a trade?

Maybe that’s why I always go back to 3rd/4th year guys as Pascal felt like the perfect fit and is no longer available.. Least the hope is there for development and Dallas can live through two years of growing..

I know Dallas will have its own thread in the next month, but just looking to see if anyone has a name for this trade? Or if it’s a terrible idea?

[Astaluego]

I think Nico wants to have a contender for several years, (he invited me to think about the last movements) so age would be a factor to take into account...
And there are 3 guys that fit me in that mold...
First of all Miles Bridges, and I wonder what he would look like in a winning situation, who would be a version of DJJ on steroids and a personal taste of mine in P.Williams, who I think could thrive very well in our system...
Finally I would name Keldon Johnson.. .not sure about the price, but I think they would all be reasonably available with our assets..(delighted with any of the first 2)..
I hope and trust we stay away from Kuzma/Wiggins

[Astaluego]

THJ/Exum/Powell/O-Max/FRP 25 and 31(Unprotected)+Raptors SRP for Caruso/P.Williams(ST)

[Godaddycurse]

THJ/Exum/Powell/O-Max/FRP 25 and 31(Unprotected)+Raptors SRP for Caruso/P.Williams(ST)

how much are you paying patrick williams?

[Astaluego]

THJ/Exum/Powell/O-Max/FRP 25 and 31(Unprotected)+Raptors SRP for Caruso/P.Williams(ST)

how much are you paying patrick williams?

something less than Tim's last year..?between 13/16 per year..?...in this scenario we could still try to move Green for financial relief (Hornets for Martin) and if my math is right rehire to DJJ....
Fill out the roster with a minimal veteran shooter (Fournier/Mcdermott) and a 3-string center Theiss or T Bryant

[jayjaysee]

THJ/Exum/Powell/O-Max/FRP 25 and 31(Unprotected)+Raptors SRP for Caruso/P.Williams(ST)

how much are you paying patrick williams?

Without dumping more salary, these leaves around 16-17 million for the first year under the apron once you fill two roster spots.

Not speaking on value, which seems great for Chicago if they don’t want to pay Williams. But the contract feels just short, likely involves moving on from Maxi in some way.

Realistically if Dallas loves Patrick, you’d probably involve Maxi and not Prosper+Powell right? Sign and trades don't return distant unprotected firsts and additional value.. THJ, 2025 first, 2nd for Caruso feels like a win for Chicago.

Then you’ve opened an additional 6 million to fill roster or give to Patrick.. could maybe turn Green into Carter or such and get to keep DJJ.

[Colbinii]

THJ/Exum/Powell/O-Max/FRP 25 and 31(Unprotected)+Raptors SRP for Caruso/P.Williams(ST)

how much are you paying patrick williams?

something less than Tim's last year..?between 13/16 per year..?...in this scenario we could still try to move Green for financial relief (Hornets for Martin) and if my math is right rehire to DJJ....
Fill out the roster with a minimal veteran shooter (Fournier/Mcdermott) and a 3-string center Theiss or T Bryant

I think multiple teams would offer Patrick Williams more in Free Agency than 13-16. I think he starts around 18-20 Million, something like DeAndre Hunter's contract.

[Godaddycurse]

how much are you paying patrick williams?

something less than Tim's last year..?between 13/16 per year..?...in this scenario we could still try to move Green for financial relief (Hornets for Martin) and if my math is right rehire to DJJ....
Fill out the roster with a minimal veteran shooter (Fournier/Mcdermott) and a 3-string center Theiss or T Bryant

I think multiple teams would offer Patrick Williams more in Free Agency than 13-16. I think he starts around 18-20 Million, something like DeAndre Hunter's contract.

Agreed, Dallas will have to pony up to get Chicago not to match.

[jbk1234]

how much are you paying patrick williams?

something less than Tim's last year..?between 13/16 per year..?...in this scenario we could still try to move Green for financial relief (Hornets for Martin) and if my math is right rehire to DJJ....
Fill out the roster with a minimal veteran shooter (Fournier/Mcdermott) and a 3-string center Theiss or T Bryant

I think multiple teams would offer Patrick Williams more in Free Agency than 13-16. I think he starts around 18-20 Million, something like DeAndre Hunter's contract.

He's averaged 9.7 ppg, 4.2 rpg, and 1.3 apg over his first 4 years. While he's solid from 3, he only takes 2.8 pg. If a team pays him that much, it will be based almost entirely upon hoped-for future performance. Nothing he's done to date warrants that type of money. I think he'll be lucky to get PJ money.

[Texas Chuck]

I agree with jbk that he shouldn't get $20M and he's done nothing at all to warrant it. Agree with others that Chicago is going to match offers well above what they should. Though matching wouldn't be an issue in a S&T which is what was proposed here.

[Godaddycurse]

I agree with jbk that he shouldn't get $20M and he's done nothing at all to warrant it. Agree with others that Chicago is going to match offers well above what they should. Though matching wouldn't be an issue in a S&T which is what was proposed here.

Yea but other teams will propose it and dallas will have to out bid them

[Texas Chuck]

I agree with jbk that he shouldn't get $20M and he's done nothing at all to warrant it. Agree with others that Chicago is going to match offers well above what they should. Though matching wouldn't be an issue in a S&T which is what was proposed here.

Yea but other teams will propose it and dallas will have to out bid them

I mean I don't expect a bidding war for Patrick Williams. But I felt like I agreed he was going to get overpaid and it only takes one.

Just was pointing out the obvious that in a S&T matching wouldn't be an issue.

But I want nothing to do with Dallas S&T'g for Williams. So another team coming in with a high dollar offer is a mistake I'm totally cool with them making. Then if Chicago wants to make the mistake of matching they should.

I don't understand an insistence on Dallas adding a young player. They are already a pretty surprisingly young rotation. Kyrie is aging obviously and Kleber, but after that Jones is the old man at all of 26.

[Scoot McGroot]

Patrick Williams qualifying offer is $12.9m. I can’t imagine he locks up a long term deal at essentially that number rather than signing it and hitting unrestricted free agency in a year.

[Godaddycurse]

For OP i think you would be looking for an eventual Irving replacement. Not sure you want to pay Irvings next contract if/when he opts out after next year.

Some PG/SG with upside available for the 2 1sts:

Simons
Giddey
Coby White

?IQ if Toronto tears it down (midseason?)

[gswhoops]

Patrick Williams qualifying offer is $12.9m. I can’t imagine he locks up a long term deal at essentially that number rather than signing it and hitting unrestricted free agency in a year.

Right now his value is more potential than production. Another year without making the leap from a talented but inconsistent young guy to a consistent impact player lowers his value.

[Mavrelous]

Or do you keep the 2031 first in case Luka leaves? Or in case Luka stays and you want more assets for the eventual retool when Kyrie declines and Luka is still an MVP level player hopefully?

Mavs should keep the pick, not only for the case Luka leaves, but they need to "save" assets for the eventual trade to fill the Kyrie spot is 2-3 years, 2031 will the year Luka is FA again after his next deal.
Knocking on wood, the way things stand right now, the team is young in most spots, and doesn't need major moves, everything can be handled with near term picks/assets.

[Mavrelous]

For OP i think you would be looking for an eventual Irving replacement. Not sure you want to pay Irvings next contract if/when he opts out after next year.

Some PG/SG with upside available for the 2 1sts:

Simons
Giddey
Coby White

?IQ if Toronto tears it down (midseason?)

There's a massive gap between Kyrie and these 4, no one should trade high upside pick for any of them.

[jayjaysee]

For OP i think you would be looking for an eventual Irving replacement. Not sure you want to pay Irvings next contract if/when he opts out after next year.

Some PG/SG with upside available for the 2 1sts:

Simons
Giddey
Coby White

?IQ if Toronto tears it down (midseason?)

Thank you! While none of those names are ideal, that’s what I was looking for.

I do think all of those names cost more than the 2025 first. Not sure if a team should handicap their future picks for any of them. But it’s close.

I am not sure IQ fits in with the others? If he builds off last year, Toronto never considers this. If he doesn’t build off, he’s likely really overpaid and Dallas can’t fit it under the apron/fill a roster… There’s a really thin line where IQ is available and a positive asset IMO. He’s too young and too good.

Simons contract makes it hard to keep DJJ/address starting SF. Not impossible, same type of follow up deal as Wiggins would have, IQ likely is a similar issue..

I’ve suggested Giddey a few times and have been told he’s a bad fit. And he is is. But he might not be by 2026 or 2027… and until then he’d be playing the same role Sexton would be playing.. Still think he can be bulked up a bit into a four and most the problems in his game will go away.. don’t know if I’d give up both firsts for Josh either.. But think I would if the 2031 first had top 10-12 protection? Though the offers on realgm make me think Dallas wouldn’t need to include that.

[Godaddycurse]

I am not sure IQ fits in with the others? If he builds off last year, Toronto never considers this. If he doesn’t build off, he’s likely really overpaid and Dallas can’t fit it under the apron/fill a roster… There’s a really thin line where IQ is available and a positive asset IMO. He’s too young and too good.

Simons contract makes it hard to keep DJJ/address starting SF. Not impossible, same type of follow up deal as Wiggins would have, IQ likely is a similar issue..

I’ve suggested Giddey a few times and have been told he’s a bad fit. And he is is. But he might not be by 2026 or 2027… and until then he’d be playing the same role Sexton would be playing.. Still think he can be bulked up a bit into a four and most the problems in his game will go away.. don’t know if I’d give up both firsts for Josh either.. But think I would if the 2031 first had top 10-12 protection? Though the offers on realgm make me think Dallas wouldn’t need to include that.

I think IQ on a similar contract to brunson (percentage of cap) can be a potential bargain like brundon is now. It will depend on if another team throws him a crazy offer sheet this offseason..

You're probably right that FO wont trade him if he continues playing like he did post all star break. If Barnes dont break out (again) though i would be skeptical of the ceiling of this team and would try to tear it down to get high picks in the next 2 drafts

[Godaddycurse]

For OP i think you would be looking for an eventual Irving replacement. Not sure you want to pay Irvings next contract if/when he opts out after next year.

Some PG/SG with upside available for the 2 1sts:

Simons
Giddey
Coby White

?IQ if Toronto tears it down (midseason?)

There's a massive gap between Kyrie and these 4, no one should trade high upside pick for any of them.

Massive gap now sure, but maybe not so massive in 2 yrs