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OKC trades: #12
OKC gets: Gafford, Worst of 25 UTH/CLE/MIN 1st

Utah trades: Kessler, #29, Worst of 25 UTH/CLE/MIN 1st
Utah gets: Powell, Prosper, #12

GSW trades: Wiggins/26 ATL 2nd/28 ATL 2nd/30 GSW 2nd
GSW gets: THJ/#29

DAL trades: Gafford/Powell/THJ/Prosper
DAL gets: Wiggins/Kessler/26 ATL 2nd/28 ATL 2nd/30 GSW 2nd

OKC accomplishes a couple of things -- get a backup center who fits great and can play a few minutes a half with Chet and pushes draft capital back a year.

Utah combines lower level assets to pick up a lottery pick now and get a look at a defensive forward prospect

GSW turns the Wiggins money into THJ(or his contract if they want to flip him) and gets into the late 1st this year. Gives them more wiggle room under tax/apron if they are bringing back Klay and sounds like they are.

Dallas understands that while this center combo has been fabulous, Lively is really their guy, so get cheaper with Kessler to pair with him while still having Kleber. Pick up Wiggins and clear money to have a chance at retaining Jones. Also pick up some more 2nd rounders to have to make moves around the edges.

Isnt OKC just better off getting kessler themselves? Preserves their cap space for other uses this way. They have more than enough 2nds to make up value for prosper/powell

Godaddycurse wrote:Isnt OKC just better off getting kessler themselves?

I have Gafford as a more impactful player for them, so no. They can afford the salary difference so get the player who fits what they need more, no?

Texas Chuck wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:Isnt OKC just better off getting kessler themselves?

I have Gafford as a more impactful player for them, so no. They can afford the salary difference so get the player who fits what they need more, no?

Is he? We have half a season of Gafford looking good next to luka and alot more sample of him being rather pedestrian. Kessler was better the year prior.. not convinced either is the difference maker they need

Godaddycurse wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:Isnt OKC just better off getting kessler themselves?

I have Gafford as a more impactful player for them, so no. They can afford the salary difference so get the player who fits what they need more, no?

Is he? We have half a season of Gafford looking good next to luka and alot more sample of him being rather pedestrian. Kessler was better the year prior.. not convinced either is the difference maker they need

Oh I've been clear I think OKC should add a 2nd best player--a veteran. I'm not selling Gafford as a final piece here by any means. But its clear they need another legit center. And having a mobile shot-blocking big so they can play the same on defense with Chet off while giving them an elite roll man offensively to give them another way to attack?

I'd rather have that then the old-school big protect the rim, rebound, but get hunted in the PNR option of Kessler. Dallas on the flip side already has a better defensive version of that player in Lively. Kessler gives them a different look along with Kleber.

IDK, Thunder fans can weigh in on what they are looking for, but I think Gafford fits better for sure.

Godaddycurse wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:Isnt OKC just better off getting kessler themselves?

I have Gafford as a more impactful player for them, so no. They can afford the salary difference so get the player who fits what they need more, no?

Is he? We have half a season of Gafford looking good next to luka and alot more sample of him being rather pedestrian. Kessler was better the year prior.. not convinced either is the difference maker they need

If the plan is to play Chet mostly at the 5, and use whatever big they get as a rotation player, I don't think it makes a huge difference either way, but I think the veteran is going to make fewer mistakes in the playoffs. Gafford also has more lateral quickness which helps when you're rotating in next to starters in the postseason.

Frankly, I'd have reservations about helping get Gafford to OKC if I was Dallas.

Not sure why Utah is in this. Why are we sending out a future pick when Kessler could net us at least 12 by himself.

Awful for UTAH. 2 1st and Kessler for a late lottery pick in a weak draft, no way.
Also, I think it is not the direction UTAH wants to go.

This is WAYYYYY too good for Dallas. Gafford and THJ simply don't have this type of value.

Wild to think Gafford isn't worth slightly less than Kessler lol. No idea how that's overvaluing Gafford at all. Because THJ for Wiggins/2nds is clearly not Dallas stealing value.

As to the valuations of Kessler, I just pretty strongly disagree that he's worth 12 on his own. Maybe he is. But I don't have that to be the case at all.

AingesBurner wrote:Not sure why Utah is in this. Why are we sending out a future pick when Kessler could net us at least 12 by himself.

Nah, he can't. I would much rather take a chance on a center prospect in this draft rather than take on Kessler.

I don’t think value is that off? Or off at all?

I understand/agree with trading high on Gafford as he showed how he can impact a team trying to win, has only been in league 5 year and is locked up cheap for two more years.. I think Lively should get 30mpg next year and you can fill backup minutes with Maxi and a lesser player..

But no issue with just working a deal out with GSW if OKC actually prefers Kessler. Or if Utah prefers not to trade Kessler.

Having the two centers has been fun to watch. I’m not sure Kessler can do what Gafford has done (I’m really sure he can’t) so don’t think Dallas would be too worried about being cut out.

Pretty sure GSW is out.

I believe they can pay Klay as is, issue will be what does Klay want not what can Lacob pay. If he takes a reasonable deal with what his current performance is then they’ll retain him. So that reasoning can be excluded IMO.

Otherwise the deal is sending a younger, higher potential player with multiple good looking 2nds for an older washed player and a bad 1st in a bad class.

Not sure why GSW would entertain that.

TGW wrote:This is WAYYYYY too good for Dallas. Gafford and THJ simply don't have this type of value.

How si it way good for Dallas? Wiggins has all sorts of issues and really only shined when it was contract time. Gafford has shown heart and integral to the team's recent success. Prosper has potential and Kessler regressed from his rookie year. I dont think tis good at all for Dallas.

Texas Chuck wrote:Wild to think Gafford isn't worth slightly less than Kessler lol. No idea how that's overvaluing Gafford at all. Because THJ for Wiggins/2nds is clearly not Dallas stealing value.

As to the valuations of Kessler, I just pretty strongly disagree that he's worth 12 on his own. Maybe he is. But I don't have that to be the case at all.

"clearly"
I'd rather have Wiggins than THJ. A very late first rounder definitely doesn't convince me otherwise, especially if we're throwing in a handful of 2nds to offset the 1st.

I repeat myself with this, but the Thunder recently passed on Sengun/Lively and Gafford himself... I am inclined to think that they want to space the court as much as possible for SGA and have no interest in a traditional center, beyond something situational. ..but I don't think they would spend assets on it.. someone like Brook Lopez would be more suitable for his style in my opinion

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Wild to think Gafford isn't worth slightly less than Kessler lol. No idea how that's overvaluing Gafford at all. Because THJ for Wiggins/2nds is clearly not Dallas stealing value.

As to the valuations of Kessler, I just pretty strongly disagree that he's worth 12 on his own. Maybe he is. But I don't have that to be the case at all.

"clearly"
I'd rather have Wiggins than THJ. A very late first rounder definitely doesn't convince me otherwise, especially if we're throwing in a handful of 2nds to offset the 1st.

Absolutely you'd rather have Wiggins than THJ as a player. And as a team looking to compete, definitely a legit reason to hate this for GSW.

but on value, I don't see an argument where Wiggins is worth more on his contract than THJ on his and certainly a late 1st now is worth more than 3 2nds later.

So yes, I stand by "clearly" when talking about value. Which is what I was talking about.

If OKC was willing to trade the #12 pick for Gafford, they would have made a deal with the Wizards at the Trade Deadline instead of helping Dallas obtain him.

Let Utah keep 29 and send Prosper to Golden State. I don't love this, but I would not be mad if it happened.

Yeah I think this makes sense for GS, I'd do it.