ATL-DET

[HadAnEffectHere]

Atlanta gets: $22.2m TPE, 3.8m TPE
Detroit gets: Clint Capela, AJ Griffin

Why for Atlanta: Get out of the luxury tax and move away from a guy who isn't needed anymore (especially if they pick Sarr or Clingan #1) and doesn't fit the scheme

Why for Detroit: Get a competent center for one year to better evaluate rest of team.

[Colbinii]

If I am Detroit, I am asking for incentive here. Capela is an MLE level Center at this point being paid 22.2M.

Atlanta also has major incentive here to move off Capela [Tax!]. I look elsewhere for a Center or I force Atlanta to pay to dump him.

[tbhawksfan1]

Atlanta gets: $22.2m TPE
Detroit gets: Clint Capela

Why for Atlanta: Get out of the luxury tax and move away from a guy who isn't needed anymore (especially if they pick Sarr or Clingan #1) and doesn't fit the scheme

Why for Detroit: Get a competent center for one year to better evaluate rest of team.

A couple of SRPs would be a class move

[Texas Chuck]

I think Detroit is due value here. Also think center is not the best position for this as they already have Duren/Stewart and you can't stack centers up the way you can any other position.

But with some incentive its not terrible. Detroit could then flip Stewart for more value while having a center to pair with Duren for a year in which they want to be competitive. But they are owed value and should get it from Atlanta.

[Billl]

Unless Duren is moving on, I can't see that working out. Capela isn't going to be happy playing behind Duren and they sure can't play together.

[HadAnEffectHere]

I think Detroit is due value here. Also think center is not the best position for this as they already have Duren/Stewart and you can't stack centers up the way you can any other position.

But with some incentive its not terrible. Detroit could then flip Stewart for more value while having a center to pair with Duren for a year in which they want to be competitive. But they are owed value and should get it from Atlanta.

Duren is not good at all. Less than one shot outside the paint per game while shooting around 26% on those shots. Averages 0.8 BPG while being a bad pick-and-roll defender... These aren't characteristics of a center who plays more than 16 MPG in the NBA.

What starting or good backup center can't

1. Score at all outside the paint
2. Protect the rim
3. Defend the pick-and-roll
4. Create offense

My thought process would be Capela plays 28 MPG and Duren plays 20 while Capela tries to teach Duren how to play.

[Texas Chuck]

Okay if you want to do your usual I know exactly how every young player will turn out schtick. It still doesn't change that Atlanta owes Detroit value. You don't overpay for Capela just because you aren't sold on Duren. There are other options.

[tcheco]

Expiring Capela has value, but not for Detroit that already has Duren and Stewart.

This makes zero sense honestly, limits the moves Detroit can do this year in the offseason that are way more important than adding a teacher for Duren. If you think Pistons should move on from him, then I'd suggest adding a trade sending Duren elsewhere

[HadAnEffectHere]

Expiring Capela has value, but not for Detroit that already has Duren and Stewart.

This makes zero sense honestly, limits the moves Detroit can do this year in the offseason that are way more important than adding a teacher for Duren. If you think Pistons should move on from him, then I'd suggest adding a trade sending Duren elsewhere

Capela is a competent NBA center and that matters a whole lot for evaluating how good your young players are defensively.

[Colbinii]

Expiring Capela has value, but not for Detroit that already has Duren and Stewart.

This makes zero sense honestly, limits the moves Detroit can do this year in the offseason that are way more important than adding a teacher for Duren. If you think Pistons should move on from him, then I'd suggest adding a trade sending Duren elsewhere

Capela is a competent NBA center and that matters a whole lot for evaluating how good your young players are defensively.

They also need to continue to evaluate Duren. He has a lot of positives going for him.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Edited the trade to add AJ Griffin as a guy the Pistons may be interested in.

Expiring Capela has value, but not for Detroit that already has Duren and Stewart.

This makes zero sense honestly, limits the moves Detroit can do this year in the offseason that are way more important than adding a teacher for Duren. If you think Pistons should move on from him, then I'd suggest adding a trade sending Duren elsewhere

Capela is a competent NBA center and that matters a whole lot for evaluating how good your young players are defensively.

They also need to continue to evaluate Duren. He has a lot of positives going for him.

If all of your young players are bad, then it's hard to evaluate any of them.

Duren can still play 20 MPG behind Capela.

(Duren is also so bad at scoring outside the paint, creating offense, and blocking shots that it's unclear how he ever gets to starting NBA quality)

[Texas Chuck]

You need to re-edit because that's not how TPE's work. They would get a Capela sized one and a Griffin sized one, not a bigger one for their combined salary.

[HadAnEffectHere]

You need to re-edit because that's not how TPE's work. They would get a Capela sized one and a Griffin sized one, not a bigger one for their combined salary.

I did forget this!

[jayjaysee]

Atlanta doesn’t need to cut all of Capela’s salary unless they want to prepare themselves better for the follow up trade?

I’d look at deals they send Capela out and return 9-12 million. That range gives them the ability to fill roster under tax. Then if you do deal Murray for “Ingram” you’re able to get back under the tax later easily by moving on from that player.

They definitely should do the OP.. But wouldn’t pay much to do it

[tcheco]

Edited the trade to add AJ Griffin as a guy the Pistons may be interested in.

Capela is a competent NBA center and that matters a whole lot for evaluating how good your young players are defensively.

They also need to continue to evaluate Duren. He has a lot of positives going for him.

If all of your young players are bad, then it's hard to evaluate any of them.

Duren can still play 20 MPG behind Capela.

(Duren is also so bad at scoring outside the paint, creating offense, and blocking shots that it's unclear how he ever gets to starting NBA quality)

It's arguable if Capela is that much better than Duren today honestly.

TRB% is the same for both at 22% AST% Duren beats Capela with 12.7% vs 6.9%, Capela lead in BLK% in 5.1% vs 2.3%

That is with Capela playing with a much better team around him, and still he couldn't score more effectively than Duren.Even at FT% Duren is much better than Capela at 79% vs 63%.


Honestly, there's absolutely not reason at all for Detroit to trade for Capela, specially with stewart seeing some minutes at center as well. They are much better spending that money elsewhere rather than getting 1 year of Capela in a position they are set

[theBigLip]

I think Detroit is due value here. Also think center is not the best position for this as they already have Duren/Stewart and you can't stack centers up the way you can any other position.

But with some incentive its not terrible. Detroit could then flip Stewart for more value while having a center to pair with Duren for a year in which they want to be competitive. But they are owed value and should get it from Atlanta.

Duren is not good at all. Less than one shot outside the paint per game while shooting around 26% on those shots. Averages 0.8 BPG while being a bad pick-and-roll defender... These aren't characteristics of a center who plays more than 16 MPG in the NBA.

What starting or good backup center can't

1. Score at all outside the paint
2. Protect the rim
3. Defend the pick-and-roll
4. Create offense

My thought process would be Capela plays 28 MPG and Duren plays 20 while Capela tries to teach Duren how to play.

Duren is good, showed improvement this year, and he’s all of 20 years old. Sure he needs to improve his D, but that’s fixable. He has the raw tools.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Edited the trade to add AJ Griffin as a guy the Pistons may be interested in.

They also need to continue to evaluate Duren. He has a lot of positives going for him.

If all of your young players are bad, then it's hard to evaluate any of them.

Duren can still play 20 MPG behind Capela.

(Duren is also so bad at scoring outside the paint, creating offense, and blocking shots that it's unclear how he ever gets to starting NBA quality)

It's arguable if Capela is that much better than Duren today honestly.

TRB% is the same for both at 22% AST% Duren beats Capela with 12.7% vs 6.9%, Capela lead in BLK% in 5.1% vs 2.3%

That is with Capela playing with a much better team around him, and still he couldn't score more effectively than Duren.Even at FT% Duren is much better than Capela at 79% vs 63%.


Honestly, there's absolutely not reason at all for Detroit to trade for Capela, specially with stewart seeing some minutes at center as well. They are much better spending that money elsewhere rather than getting 1 year of Capela in a position they are set

..... 2.3% BLK% for Duren is extremely bad.

Like, defense ruining bad...

Like, worse than Jonas Valanciunas' career worst single season number.

And Duren blows way more rotations and is a much worse overall defender than Capela.

[theBigLip]

Dumping Hunter is a better fit for the Pistons, although I’m not sure he’s worth his contract. But w the cap going up 10% a year for the next several years, all contracts are going to look better w age.

[HadAnEffectHere]

I think Detroit is due value here. Also think center is not the best position for this as they already have Duren/Stewart and you can't stack centers up the way you can any other position.

But with some incentive its not terrible. Detroit could then flip Stewart for more value while having a center to pair with Duren for a year in which they want to be competitive. But they are owed value and should get it from Atlanta.

Duren is not good at all. Less than one shot outside the paint per game while shooting around 26% on those shots. Averages 0.8 BPG while being a bad pick-and-roll defender... These aren't characteristics of a center who plays more than 16 MPG in the NBA.

What starting or good backup center can't

1. Score at all outside the paint
2. Protect the rim
3. Defend the pick-and-roll
4. Create offense

My thought process would be Capela plays 28 MPG and Duren plays 20 while Capela tries to teach Duren how to play.

Duren is good, showed improvement this year, and he’s all of 20 years old. Sure he needs to improve his D, but that’s fixable. He has the raw tools.

Are there athletic centers who went from total non-factors at the rim to a guy who can protect the rim well? I don't think this is very common.

[tcheco]

Edited the trade to add AJ Griffin as a guy the Pistons may be interested in.



If all of your young players are bad, then it's hard to evaluate any of them.

Duren can still play 20 MPG behind Capela.

(Duren is also so bad at scoring outside the paint, creating offense, and blocking shots that it's unclear how he ever gets to starting NBA quality)

It's arguable if Capela is that much better than Duren today honestly.

TRB% is the same for both at 22% AST% Duren beats Capela with 12.7% vs 6.9%, Capela lead in BLK% in 5.1% vs 2.3%

That is with Capela playing with a much better team around him, and still he couldn't score more effectively than Duren.Even at FT% Duren is much better than Capela at 79% vs 63%.


Honestly, there's absolutely not reason at all for Detroit to trade for Capela, specially with stewart seeing some minutes at center as well. They are much better spending that money elsewhere rather than getting 1 year of Capela in a position they are set

..... 2.3% BLK% for Duren is extremely bad.

Like, defense ruining bad...

Like, worse than Jonas Valanciunas' career worst single season number.

And Duren blows way more rotations and is a much worse overall defender than Capela.

Sure, one is better on blocks, ah probably on defense(altough stats are not pointing to such a big difference as you are trying to say it is.)

Again, if Pistons are not set on Center, they probably are much better trying to sign Hartenstein(4.2 BLK% and 13.5 AST%) or Goga(6.2 BLK%), both which will be cheaper than Capela per year, than taking on a rental of Capela.

But we can agree to disagree