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Probably going to be ripped but:
NOP needs a PG, center, sized depth.
Washington needs a reset and rebuild. Probably looking to rebuild around Coulibaly.

NOP sends Ingram, McCollum
Washington sends Poole, Kuzma, Bagley

NOP is sending off Ingram. Some see him as a scoring #2 option. Others see him as a negative asset.
McCollum is aging quickly and still owed over $65m for 2 years.
Kuzma is much like Ingram, polarizing to fans. He is a good backup option and can play with Williamson.
Poole we know is negative but he can play the PG spot. By the time he enters his last year, he could be dumped and the overall cost is the same as McCollum. The deciding factor is if you think Poole can be a serviceable player in a winning environment. Poole had less than ideal numbers but he was paid because of his potential.
Adding Bagley gives NOP a back up center or a short term starting center depending on who they draft.

I don't consider Bagley a playable center nor is Poole anymore of a PG than McCollum.

The inclusion of Poole makes it way too good for the Wizards. As a matter of fact, the teams make bad trade partners. NOP needs a center and a point guard like you said; however, I hardly count Poole and Bags as an upgrade over what they have already.

I think you're completely dismissing CJ's production. For a guy that's "aging quickly" he put up 20/4/4 on 46/43/83 splits and a 3.1 BPM. That's better than anything Poole has done and the extra year on Poole's deal is an enormous factor

I think it's actually kind of reasonable. The key issue to point out here is that Ingram's contract lasts only 1 more year and he is in that weird situation where he is going to want max money, but nobody is really convinced he is worth max money, so his trade value is in doubt.

If the Wizards can't flip him, then this amounts to just a salary dump of the final year of Poole's contract at a cost of Kuzma.

However, I do think the Wizards could flip Ingram for something, even if the offer was underwhelming, so I'd do it.

nate33 wrote:I think it's actually kind of reasonable. The key issue to point out here is that Ingram's contract lasts only 1 more year and he is in that weird situation where he is going to want max money, but nobody is really convinced he is worth max money, so his trade value is in doubt.

If the Wizards can't flip him, then this amounts to just a salary dump of the final year of Poole's contract at a cost of Kuzma.

However, I do think the Wizards could flip Ingram for something, even if the offer was underwhelming, so I'd do it.

You think this is reasonable for New Orleans?

That can't be serious.

Colbinii wrote:

nate33 wrote:I think it's actually kind of reasonable. The key issue to point out here is that Ingram's contract lasts only 1 more year and he is in that weird situation where he is going to want max money, but nobody is really convinced he is worth max money, so his trade value is in doubt.

If the Wizards can't flip him, then this amounts to just a salary dump of the final year of Poole's contract at a cost of Kuzma.

However, I do think the Wizards could flip Ingram for something, even if the offer was underwhelming, so I'd do it.

You think this is reasonable for New Orleans?

That can't be serious.

I explained my rationale. If Ingram can't be moved for value, then this is just a salary dump of Poole's final season at a cost of Kuzma (who will be pretty valuable by his final season as his contract declines). CJ is a better player than Poole, but for how much longer? And how will his durability decline over the next 2 years?

A lot of this depends on whether you think Poole is the horrific guy from the first 60 games of last season, or is he the pretty good but overpaid bench scorer over the final 22 games of the season and for his last two seasons in Golden State.

nate33 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

nate33 wrote:I think it's actually kind of reasonable. The key issue to point out here is that Ingram's contract lasts only 1 more year and he is in that weird situation where he is going to want max money, but nobody is really convinced he is worth max money, so his trade value is in doubt.

If the Wizards can't flip him, then this amounts to just a salary dump of the final year of Poole's contract at a cost of Kuzma.

However, I do think the Wizards could flip Ingram for something, even if the offer was underwhelming, so I'd do it.

You think this is reasonable for New Orleans?

That can't be serious.

I explained my rationale. If Ingram can't be moved for value, then this is just a salary dump of Poole's final season at a cost of Kuzma (who will be pretty valuable by his final season as his contract declines). CJ is a better player than Poole, but for how much longer? And how will his durability decline over the next 2 years?

A lot of this depends on whether you think Poole is the horrific guy from the first 60 games of last season, or is he the pretty good but overpaid bench scorer over the final 22 games of the season and for his last two seasons in Golden State.

Exactly. Washington then drafts Topic to partner with Coulibaly as a young backcourt. Avdija and Ingram as the forwards and either picks up a center late in the first, Holmes or the BPA.

If Bagley is not the best offer make it Holmes. Either way it does not change Washington much.

Cleveland might be willing to pay Garland for Ingram (put filler where needed), in which case Washington picks Sarr, Risacher, Buzelis, or Clingan at 2. Or an unlikely but possible trade could be 2/26 for 4/8. SAS would save money but get the preferred player assuming Sarr is the first pick.

This is awful for the Pelicans. I have CJ between nuetral (if sent to a team like Detroit) and slight negative if sent to a cap conscious playoff team. I have Poole as straight negative requiring real value.

I have Ingram as a rental, which is worst case scenario for the acquiring team as they're under no obligation to extend him, as worth more than Kuzma.

I don't think Pels have much interest in Poole/Kuz/Bagley. Not the type of players that David Griffin values. This trade doesn't solve any of the Pelicans problems. It doesn't provide us with assets or a better fitting complement to Zion.

This is missing #2 to the Pelicans, and Kuzma being re-routed to a 3rd team for additional assets to Pelicans

This is a Pelicans retool deal, on their end

I don’t know how realgm does it. But somehow over a decade and it still surprises me lol.

CJ was arguably the best three point shooter in the entire league. No one made more threes at a higher rate. Him and Brandon freaking Ingram for Kuzma, Poole and Bagley? I’m fascinated by the process.

As a Wizards fan, I say no, if only b/c this probably puts us in the play in conversation and I'd like to tank at least one more draft.

Honestly, take out Ingram and Poole, and the value is pretty much there?

But no. Kuzma is only a great declining contract for Washington. His kicker and bonuses make him solidly paid for any other team. But no. Ingram should have solid value, by himself, well better than this package provides.

I’d trade Ingram for Deni and cap space or an expiring.

Lol, do Pelicans want to force Zion out or what?

McCollum
4
Jones
Kuzma

Nawlins

Jones is a stop gap floor general that can share the role with Daniels and Alvarado. Kuzma can be moved for a 5.

Washington:

Bring in a all-star talent guard to help with scoring and winning culture.

ZionWembanyama wrote:Washington:

Bring in a all-star talent guard to help with scoring and winning culture.

This is the last thing the Wizards want to do. The Wizards need talent first before they try to generate a winning culture.

ZionWembanyama wrote:McCollum
4
Jones
Kuzma

Nawlins

Jones is a stop gap floor general that can share the role with Daniels and Alvarado. Kuzma can be moved for a 5.

Washington:

Bring in an all-star talent guard to help with scoring and winning culture.

Jones is a FA and I don’t think you can add another player to a S&T deal

The orginal trade is bad. The counterproposals are just as awful.