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Ingram & Nance + picks

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Murray & Capela

Interested to see people's opinions on draft assets needed.

Atlanta can take Sarr #1 to replace Capela and have Okongwu (spelling, sorry) as a stop gap. Ingram's mid range game can fit well with the shooters Atl have on the roster.

Pels get a versatile borderline all star and reliable big

I think it’s…

Ingram + Daniels

FOR

Murray + Capela

And maybe Pels still owe a protected 1st.

Murray > Ingram because of his flight risk status.

Daniels is needed to see how he works with Trae.

Wolveswin wrote:I think it’s…

Ingram + Daniels

FOR

Murray + Capela

And maybe Pels still owe a protected 1st.

Murray > Ingram because of his flight risk status.

Daniels is needed to see how he works with Trae.

Prefer to trade CJM over Ingram and no to trading Daniels.

ZionWembanyama wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:I think it’s…

Ingram + Daniels

FOR

Murray + Capela

And maybe Pels still owe a protected 1st.

Murray > Ingram because of his flight risk status.

Daniels is needed to see how he works with Trae.

Prefer to trade CJM over Ingram and no to trading Daniels.

Atlanta wouldn't have any interest in McCollum. Older and an awful fit next to Trae due to his size.

ZionWembanyama wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:I think it’s…

Ingram + Daniels

FOR

Murray + Capela

And maybe Pels still owe a protected 1st.

Murray > Ingram because of his flight risk status.

Daniels is needed to see how he works with Trae.

Prefer to trade CJM over Ingram and no to trading Daniels.

Got it. Typical “I want to trade nothing, get a lot of something, and the other team should do what I want just because.” Seems fair and practical (green font).

ZionWembanyama wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:I think it’s…

Ingram + Daniels

FOR

Murray + Capela

And maybe Pels still owe a protected 1st.

Murray > Ingram because of his flight risk status.

Daniels is needed to see how he works with Trae.

Prefer to trade CJM over Ingram and no to trading Daniels.

Okay, so how are you trading for talented players by not trading any talented players or picks?

Can you explain that one?

Wolveswin wrote:I think it’s…

Ingram + Daniels

FOR

Murray + Capela

And maybe Pels still owe a protected 1st.

Murray > Ingram because of his flight risk status.

Daniels is needed to see how he works with Trae.

NO's says no without the added pick.

Daniels is an elite defender with offensive potential on rookie scale control. He's the best on ball defender on a team featuring Herb Jones. Ranked 2nd in d Lebron. Far better defensive fit next to Young than Murray. While BI upgrades Murray's fit offensively.

Pels get back a lesser defender than Daniels, with similar offensive production to BI

I have Capela's game on the decline, he's dead money, bad contract & not the best fit next to Zion as an undersized rim runner.

NO's easily lose this trade.

Wolveswin wrote:

ZionWembanyama wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:I think it’s…

Ingram + Daniels

FOR

Murray + Capela

And maybe Pels still owe a protected 1st.

Murray > Ingram because of his flight risk status.

Daniels is needed to see how he works with Trae.

Prefer to trade CJM over Ingram and no to trading Daniels.

Got it. Typical “I want to trade nothing, get a lot of something, and the other team should do what I want just because.” Seems fair and practical (green font).

I mean what he said isn't wrong. He'd prefer to trade CJ and he doesn't want to trade Daniels. In terms of value New Orleans still has plenty to add to close the cap to Murray.

Now Atlanta wouldn't want CJ which is an issue, but until you give the poster a chance to tell you his whole deal, you are coming down awfully hard on him. It's okay for people to not love your idea I promise.

Texas Chuck wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:

ZionWembanyama wrote:
Prefer to trade CJM over Ingram and no to trading Daniels.

Got it. Typical “I want to trade nothing, get a lot of something, and the other team should do what I want just because.” Seems fair and practical (green font).

I mean what he said isn't wrong. He'd prefer to trade CJ and he doesn't want to trade Daniels. In terms of value New Orleans still has plenty to add to close the cap to Murray.

Now Atlanta wouldn't want CJ which is an issue, but until you give the poster a chance to tell you his whole deal, you are coming down awfully hard on him. It's okay for people to not love your idea I promise.

Just make sure you give same response to Colbinii or it just looks like stalking

Wolveswin wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:Got it. Typical “I want to trade nothing, get a lot of something, and the other team should do what I want just because.” Seems fair and practical (green font).

I mean what he said isn't wrong. He'd prefer to trade CJ and he doesn't want to trade Daniels. In terms of value New Orleans still has plenty to add to close the cap to Murray.

Now Atlanta wouldn't want CJ which is an issue, but until you give the poster a chance to tell you his whole deal, you are coming down awfully hard on him. It's okay for people to not love your idea I promise.

Just make sure you give same response to Colbinii or it just looks like stalking

Yes I know how you don't like any pushback against your posts. So sorry about that.

Colbini at least asked him how he was achieving that. You didn't even give him a chance.

Whole Truth wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:I think it’s…

Ingram + Daniels

FOR

Murray + Capela

And maybe Pels still owe a protected 1st.

Murray > Ingram because of his flight risk status.

Daniels is needed to see how he works with Trae.

NO's says no without the added pick.

Daniels is an elite defender with offensive potential on rookie scale control. He's the best on ball defender on a team featuring Herb Jones. Ranked 2nd in d Lebron. Far better defensive fit next to Young than Murray. While BI upgrades Murray's fit offensively.

Pels get back a lesser defender than Daniels, with similar offensive production to BI

I have Capela's game on the decline, he's dead money, bad contract & not the best fit next to Zion as an undersized rim runner.

NO's easily lose this trade.

This Ingram for Murray trade has been discussed to no end - and for most part at in impasse. Ingram being an expiring is tough to get back what Pels would see as fair - and when asked to compensate in value - that becomes difficult Pels reality.

Can Pels add enough picks to get Hawks to say yes to a Murray for Ingram swap? Sure. Of course. Not sure that # is acceptable to Pels however.

Texas Chuck wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I mean what he said isn't wrong. He'd prefer to trade CJ and he doesn't want to trade Daniels. In terms of value New Orleans still has plenty to add to close the cap to Murray.

Now Atlanta wouldn't want CJ which is an issue, but until you give the poster a chance to tell you his whole deal, you are coming down awfully hard on him. It's okay for people to not love your idea I promise.

Just make sure you give same response to Colbinii or it just looks like stalking

Yes I know how you don't like any pushback against your posts. So sorry about that.

Colbini at least asked him how he was achieving that. You didn't even give him a chance.

I mean I said green font. And why the personal attack. I didn’t jump in and talk about your annoying personal traits lol

Wolveswin wrote:This Ingram for Murray trade has been discussed to no end - and for most part at in impasse. Ingram being an expiring is tough to get back what Pels would see as fair - and when asked to compensate in value - that becomes difficult Pels reality.

Can Pels add enough picks to get Hawks to say yes to a Murray for Ingram swap? Sure. Of course. Not sure that # is acceptable to Pels however.

Ingram does not have to be an expiring. An extend and trade is a potential option depending on Ingram's camp. He can add 3 years to his deal starting at ~$43M with 5% raises.

Euphonetiks wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:This Ingram for Murray trade has been discussed to no end - and for most part at in impasse. Ingram being an expiring is tough to get back what Pels would see as fair - and when asked to compensate in value - that becomes difficult Pels reality.

Can Pels add enough picks to get Hawks to say yes to a Murray for Ingram swap? Sure. Of course. Not sure that # is acceptable to Pels however.

Will say this for the 1000x, but Ingram does not have to be an expiring. An extend and trade is a potential option depending on Ingram's camp. He can add 3 years to his deal starting at ~$43M with 5% raises.

A) not said in OP. B) are you Ingram? How do we know he agrees to extended and trade to Atlanta? Huge assumptions on your part to try and mitigate and gain value for what is truly an expiring Ingram ATM.

Euphonetiks wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:This Ingram for Murray trade has been discussed to no end - and for most part at in impasse. Ingram being an expiring is tough to get back what Pels would see as fair - and when asked to compensate in value - that becomes difficult Pels reality.

Can Pels add enough picks to get Hawks to say yes to a Murray for Ingram swap? Sure. Of course. Not sure that # is acceptable to Pels however.

Ingram does not have to be an expiring. An extend and trade is a potential option depending on Ingram's camp. He can add 3 years to his deal starting at ~$43M with 5% raises.

It has been reported that Ingram is seeking a max deal on an extension/new deal. At that point is it worth to pay him $50 million plus a year to iso himself into a long 2 or pay Murray almost half?

Wolveswin wrote:

Whole Truth wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:I think it’s…

Ingram + Daniels

FOR

Murray + Capela

And maybe Pels still owe a protected 1st.

Murray > Ingram because of his flight risk status.

Daniels is needed to see how he works with Trae.

NO's says no without the added pick.

Daniels is an elite defender with offensive potential on rookie scale control. He's the best on ball defender on a team featuring Herb Jones. Ranked 2nd in d Lebron. Far better defensive fit next to Young than Murray. While BI upgrades Murray's fit offensively.

Pels get back a lesser defender than Daniels, with similar offensive production to BI

I have Capela's game on the decline, he's dead money, bad contract & not the best fit next to Zion as an undersized rim runner.

NO's easily lose this trade.

This Ingram for Murray trade has been discussed to no end - and for most part at in impasse. Ingram being an expiring is tough to get back what Pels would see as fair - and when asked to compensate in value - that becomes difficult Pels reality.

Can Pels add enough picks to get Hawks to say yes to a Murray for Ingram swap? Sure. Of course. Not sure that # is acceptable to Pels however.

Don't disagree with what you're saying but value is relative to want, need & preference. Not just dollar for dollar value.

Hawks turned down Pascal as a 3 month rental who Pacers are now looking to extend off their PO run. Trae tweeted out during their run, "This is why you trade for Pascal.

If Hawks are trying to keep Young happy, all things are not equal. Not unlike a team that's struggling financially trading value for an expiring contract.

Wolveswin wrote:

Euphonetiks wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:This Ingram for Murray trade has been discussed to no end - and for most part at in impasse. Ingram being an expiring is tough to get back what Pels would see as fair - and when asked to compensate in value - that becomes difficult Pels reality.

Can Pels add enough picks to get Hawks to say yes to a Murray for Ingram swap? Sure. Of course. Not sure that # is acceptable to Pels however.

Will say this for the 1000x, but Ingram does not have to be an expiring. An extend and trade is a potential option depending on Ingram's camp. He can add 3 years to his deal starting at ~$43M with 5% raises.

A) not said in OP. B) are you Ingram? How do we know he agrees to extended and trade to Atlanta? Huge assumptions on your part to try and mitigate and gain value for what is truly an expiring Ingram ATM.

A) OP does not say one way or the other as to an extension
B) Post clearly states "depending on Ingram's camp". I don't refer to myself in the 3rd person, so I am not Ingram.

We do not know whether he agrees to an extend and trade. We also don't know whether he will limit the number of teams for which he wants to play. Hell, we don't even know if the Pels are willing to trade him. It's all assumptions based on rumors. I think given Ingram's injury history, there is a legitimate chance his camp considers extending now and re-entering free agency at 29. Griffin has generally worked with players he is trading to get them into a situation they desire, so I do not believe BI will be sent somewhere as a pure rental.

dms269 wrote:

Euphonetiks wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:This Ingram for Murray trade has been discussed to no end - and for most part at in impasse. Ingram being an expiring is tough to get back what Pels would see as fair - and when asked to compensate in value - that becomes difficult Pels reality.

Can Pels add enough picks to get Hawks to say yes to a Murray for Ingram swap? Sure. Of course. Not sure that # is acceptable to Pels however.

Ingram does not have to be an expiring. An extend and trade is a potential option depending on Ingram's camp. He can add 3 years to his deal starting at ~$43M with 5% raises.

It has been reported that Ingram is seeking a max deal on an extension/new deal. At that point is it worth to pay him $50 million plus a year to iso himself into a long 2 or pay Murray almost half?

BI is more of a play maker than he gets credit for. He's a little gun shy unless open for 3 but the fact he takes all those long 2's is in part because of Zion's offensive predictability. There's often 2-3 defenders in the paint trying to wall off Zion & CJ is the only spacing "threat" on the floor. Not that easy to get to the rim. He almost has to take a mid range jumper where he's been efficient.

I'd be interested to see his mid jumper rate with Zion vs without.

Wolveswin wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:Just make sure you give same response to Colbinii or it just looks like stalking

Yes I know how you don't like any pushback against your posts. So sorry about that.

Colbini at least asked him how he was achieving that. You didn't even give him a chance.

I mean I said green font. And why the personal attack. I didn’t jump in and talk about your annoying personal traits lol

You talk about mine all the time lol. And I didn't personally attack you mate. You and I both know in any thread when any poster disagrees with you you go back at them hard time and again. This is your style. You defend your takes to the death and never concede that an idea you had is flawed.

Me noticing that isn't attacking you. You have chosen that approach and nobody has told you that you can't take it. You are just still holding a grudge because I told you a year ago not every deal has to be a blockbuster. But I realized I was wrong about that and have acknowledged it to you multiple times. Your threads are very popular and I was the one in the wrong and can easily admit it.

Now enough about you and I and back on topic please.

I like these two teams working together.

If it’s CJ and not Ingram, you need to find the right third team that values CJ as a vet on a big but declining contract.

Then pay for Murray. Seems doable.

I’d just trade Ingram for Murray and keep my assets available in case a better star does come available.