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they won the lottery and have a future Kings FRP....but they owe future picks to the Spurs, a very talented backcourt but so far not working, a young wing that projects a very good player, solid role players, overall talent to do better but they don't fit well...what would you do...?
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Trade Murray to the Lakers for a 2026 swap, Vanderbilt, Vincent, and a 2029 first.
Draft Reed Sheppard #1, maybe trade down to get some seconds to use for salary dumps if possible.
Do any needed salary dumps.
Extend Jalen Johnson.
Let Trae mentor Sheppard for a few months and rebuild his trade value before trading him to a contender.
Rebuild around Sheppard, Jalen Johnson, and whoever they get back for Trae Young.
Draft Reed Sheppard #1, maybe trade down to get some seconds to use for salary dumps if possible.
Do any needed salary dumps.
Extend Jalen Johnson.
Let Trae mentor Sheppard for a few months and rebuild his trade value before trading him to a contender.
Rebuild around Sheppard, Jalen Johnson, and whoever they get back for Trae Young.
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Hawks are interesting.
Trae is a top 30-50 guy. Some days looks even top 25. He is young and locked in.
Murray is a nice piece. Underrated on major value contract.
Own #1 overall pick in 2024 draft but not any of their own draft capital for next 3x years.
Jalen Johnson looks promising, but his BOW isn’t enough to crown him franchise centerpiece (but core level for now).
I think as Hawks GM, you publicly say Trae isn’t for sale - but privately take all calls. Some GM might think Trae is the missing/final piece to a chip. If offers are to that level - trade him. If not, keep him.
Murray will collect great offers - better than most here on RGM. Murray is young enough, value contract and proven NBA entity.
Trade 1:: Spurs
Murray for Johnson + #8 + 2026 Hawks swap extinguished (willing to throw in Griffin or Bufkin to get this done)
Trade 2:: Rockets
#8 + 25 Kings 1st owed for #3 (willing to throw in Griffin or Bufkin to get this done)
I am getting two bites at the apple, yes even in this “weak” draft.
2024 Draft::
#1 Sarr
#3 Topic
Going foreign trend. Plus able to sell my current vets rookies will indeed contribute to win-now but need time in the incubator.
Capela or Okongwu | Sarr
Jalen Johnson | Sarr | Hunter
Hunter | Bey (re-sign) | Jalen Johnson
Keldon Johnson | Griffin, Bufkin (if not traded)
Trae | Topic
Trae is a top 30-50 guy. Some days looks even top 25. He is young and locked in.
Murray is a nice piece. Underrated on major value contract.
Own #1 overall pick in 2024 draft but not any of their own draft capital for next 3x years.
Jalen Johnson looks promising, but his BOW isn’t enough to crown him franchise centerpiece (but core level for now).
I think as Hawks GM, you publicly say Trae isn’t for sale - but privately take all calls. Some GM might think Trae is the missing/final piece to a chip. If offers are to that level - trade him. If not, keep him.
Murray will collect great offers - better than most here on RGM. Murray is young enough, value contract and proven NBA entity.
Trade 1:: Spurs
Murray for Johnson + #8 + 2026 Hawks swap extinguished (willing to throw in Griffin or Bufkin to get this done)
Trade 2:: Rockets
#8 + 25 Kings 1st owed for #3 (willing to throw in Griffin or Bufkin to get this done)
I am getting two bites at the apple, yes even in this “weak” draft.
2024 Draft::
#1 Sarr
#3 Topic
Going foreign trend. Plus able to sell my current vets rookies will indeed contribute to win-now but need time in the incubator.
Capela or Okongwu | Sarr
Jalen Johnson | Sarr | Hunter
Hunter | Bey (re-sign) | Jalen Johnson
Keldon Johnson | Griffin, Bufkin (if not traded)
Trae | Topic
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Wolveswin wrote:Hawks are interesting.
Trae is a top 30-50 guy. Some days looks even top 25. He is young and locked in.
Murray is a nice piece. Underrated on major value contract.
Own #1 overall pick in 2024 draft but not any of their own draft capital for next 3x years.
Jalen Johnson looks promising, but his BOW isn’t enough to crown him franchise centerpiece (but core level for now).
I think as Hawks GM, you publicly say Trae isn’t for sale - but privately take all calls. Some GM might think Trae is the missing/final piece to a chip. If offers are to that level - trade him. If not, keep him.
Murray will collect great offers - better than most here on RGM. Murray is young enough, value contract and proven NBA entity.
Trade 1:: Spurs
Murray for Johnson + #8 + 2026 Hawks swap extinguished (willing to throw in Griffin or Bufkin to get this done)
Trade 2:: Rockets
#8 + 25 Kings 1st owed for #3 (willing to throw in Griffin or Bufkin to get this done)
I am getting two bites at the apple, yes even in this “weak” draft.
2024 Draft::
#1 Sarr
#3 Topic
Going foreign trend. Plus able to sell my current vets rookies will indeed contribute to win-now but need time in the incubator.
Capela or Okongwu | Sarr
Jalen Johnson | Sarr | Hunter
Hunter | Bey (re-sign) | Jalen Johnson
Keldon Johnson | Griffin, Bufkin (if not traded)
Trae | Topic
27/11 all star PG who leads a top 10 offense consistently as low as the 50 range? Please remember he was all NBA +5 bpm guy before hawks got Murray as well. And do not like Keldon’s fit next to Trae at the 2 at all. Plus I see Capela gone if Hawks draft Sarr.
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Keep it simple:
1. Make draft selection at #1
2. Trade Murray for best player(s) and/or pick(s).
3. Move on from Capela (a center needy team) and/or Hunter.
4. See what positive valued player you can get by attaching the Sac 2025 1st (top 12 and top 10) with Capela or Hunter
5. Use the Collins TPE ($23 Million) and/or the MLE to fill in the rest of the roster with real NBA depth.
1. Make draft selection at #1
2. Trade Murray for best player(s) and/or pick(s).
3. Move on from Capela (a center needy team) and/or Hunter.
4. See what positive valued player you can get by attaching the Sac 2025 1st (top 12 and top 10) with Capela or Hunter
5. Use the Collins TPE ($23 Million) and/or the MLE to fill in the rest of the roster with real NBA depth.
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HadAnEffectHere wrote:Trade Murray to the Lakers for a 2026 swap, Vanderbilt, Vincent, and a 2029 first
I feel there are much, much better offers out there for Murray than this.
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HadAnEffectHere wrote:Trade Murray to the Lakers for a 2026 swap, Vanderbilt, Vincent, and a 2029 first.
But the Pels have to send BI, Daniels, and picks.
You have to be a Lebron/Lakers fan but this is ridiculous.
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ADMVP wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:Trade Murray to the Lakers for a 2026 swap, Vanderbilt, Vincent, and a 2029 first.
But the Pels have to send BI, Daniels, and picks.
You have to be a Lebron/Lakers fan but this is ridiculous.
I don't think I've ever suggested that Murray has much trade value. I don't think Murray is good at all. His career high TS+ is 96, that's really really bad. This trade I suggested probably makes the Lakers 1-2 wins better and would be an awful idea for them (as Murray is another guy who needs the ball).
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Ball4life32 wrote:Wolveswin wrote:Hawks are interesting.
Trae is a top 30-50 guy. Some days looks even top 25. He is young and locked in.
Murray is a nice piece. Underrated on major value contract.
Own #1 overall pick in 2024 draft but not any of their own draft capital for next 3x years.
Jalen Johnson looks promising, but his BOW isn’t enough to crown him franchise centerpiece (but core level for now).
I think as Hawks GM, you publicly say Trae isn’t for sale - but privately take all calls. Some GM might think Trae is the missing/final piece to a chip. If offers are to that level - trade him. If not, keep him.
Murray will collect great offers - better than most here on RGM. Murray is young enough, value contract and proven NBA entity.
Trade 1:: Spurs
Murray for Johnson + #8 + 2026 Hawks swap extinguished (willing to throw in Griffin or Bufkin to get this done)
Trade 2:: Rockets
#8 + 25 Kings 1st owed for #3 (willing to throw in Griffin or Bufkin to get this done)
I am getting two bites at the apple, yes even in this “weak” draft.
2024 Draft::
#1 Sarr
#3 Topic
Going foreign trend. Plus able to sell my current vets rookies will indeed contribute to win-now but need time in the incubator.
Capela or Okongwu | Sarr
Jalen Johnson | Sarr | Hunter
Hunter | Bey (re-sign) | Jalen Johnson
Keldon Johnson | Griffin, Bufkin (if not traded)
Trae | Topic
27/11 all star PG who leads a top 10 offense consistently as low as the 50 range? Please remember he was all NBA +5 bpm guy before hawks got Murray as well. And do not like Keldon’s fit next to Trae at the 2 at all. Plus I see Capela gone if Hawks draft Sarr.
I type like 10 paragraphs and your takeaway is the range in which Trae sits? When very next sentence typed was: top25. I get it. No worries.
Capela doesn’t need to be gone - vet mentoree at worst. Expiring at best when Jalen needs to get paid. If he is traded, meh, he probably returns not much.
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HadAnEffectHere wrote:ADMVP wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:Trade Murray to the Lakers for a 2026 swap, Vanderbilt, Vincent, and a 2029 first.
But the Pels have to send BI, Daniels, and picks.
You have to be a Lebron/Lakers fan but this is ridiculous.
I don't think I've ever suggested that Murray has much trade value. I don't think Murray is good at all. His career high TS+ is 96, that's really really bad. This trade I suggested probably makes the Lakers 1-2 wins better and would be an awful idea for them (as Murray is another guy who needs the ball).
That's a huge difference in trade value. Most people have us owing assets.
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ADMVP wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:ADMVP wrote:But the Pels have to send BI, Daniels, and picks.
You have to be a Lebron/Lakers fan but this is ridiculous.
I don't think I've ever suggested that Murray has much trade value. I don't think Murray is good at all. His career high TS+ is 96, that's really really bad. This trade I suggested probably makes the Lakers 1-2 wins better and would be an awful idea for them (as Murray is another guy who needs the ball).
That's a huge difference in trade value. Most people have us owing assets.
Wolvesfan suggested that BI/Daniels trade, not Hardaneffect.
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Unless you're sold on Reed Sheppard being a perennial all star, trading Trae Young after moving Murray would be crazy. Bottoming out and could come out way worse in the next 4 years because of it.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Trade Murray to the Lakers for a 2026 swap, Vanderbilt, Vincent, and a 2029 first.
Draft Reed Sheppard #1, maybe trade down to get some seconds to use for salary dumps if possible.
Do any needed salary dumps.
Extend Jalen Johnson.
Let Trae mentor Sheppard for a few months and rebuild his trade value before trading him to a contender.
Rebuild around Sheppard, Jalen Johnson, and whoever they get back for Trae Young.
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Not owning the draft for the next 3 seasons with Trey taking shots on twitter about failing to obtain a 3 month rental in Pascal. I would not risk Trey demanding out with him having a team option next yr that he can opt out of as leverage/control. I either take front & trade him now or cater to build a team ready to compete. No half measures
With no sure fire #1, no control of the draft for 3 seasons, being at or near the cap. I trade down from #1's 12m price point to risk potential, use the value to dump unwanted salary & net an additional pick in a draft Spurs own Hawks rights.
Either sign or trade for a C to pair with Okongwu. As Capela & Okongwu's games ate too similar to compliment & provide versatility.
Draft - ....
With no sure fire #1, no control of the draft for 3 seasons, being at or near the cap. I trade down from #1's 12m price point to risk potential, use the value to dump unwanted salary & net an additional pick in a draft Spurs own Hawks rights.
Either sign or trade for a C to pair with Okongwu. As Capela & Okongwu's games ate too similar to compliment & provide versatility.
Draft - ....
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the fit for Murray in ORL is so good, other than Trae having to match up with Murray & Suggs' frothing POA defense 4x yearly.
some ORL fans hate the idea, but Anthony Black next to Trae is the central asset in an ORL deal, imo. He's a huge, quick 1-3 who can already defend at an elite level. I think he's got way more offensive development ahead of him but, in his rookie year, he seemed timid on most nights...but had a couple of games where he blew up for 20+ pts. His defense is already special and his length makes him a nice sidekick next to Trae. He shows NO fear or intimidation on that end of the floor and seems like one of those joyful kind of psycho defenders-rising to challenge any vet. He shot .394 from 3 on low-volume, so you know the ability is there as the comfort level increases. ORL would add a frp of their own and DEN 25 frp. Additional benefit would be ORL absorbing the differences in salary ($17.4m). Maybe, if it's appealing to ATL, ORL could absorb an additional player like Griffin (who seems to be about neutral value?) for a couple of srps.
Please don't sell DJM to the LAL for peanuts and watch him tear up the playoffs.
some ORL fans hate the idea, but Anthony Black next to Trae is the central asset in an ORL deal, imo. He's a huge, quick 1-3 who can already defend at an elite level. I think he's got way more offensive development ahead of him but, in his rookie year, he seemed timid on most nights...but had a couple of games where he blew up for 20+ pts. His defense is already special and his length makes him a nice sidekick next to Trae. He shows NO fear or intimidation on that end of the floor and seems like one of those joyful kind of psycho defenders-rising to challenge any vet. He shot .394 from 3 on low-volume, so you know the ability is there as the comfort level increases. ORL would add a frp of their own and DEN 25 frp. Additional benefit would be ORL absorbing the differences in salary ($17.4m). Maybe, if it's appealing to ATL, ORL could absorb an additional player like Griffin (who seems to be about neutral value?) for a couple of srps.
Please don't sell DJM to the LAL for peanuts and watch him tear up the playoffs.
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How about this. A little unorthodox but…
#1 + Murray + 25 Kings 1st (owed Hawks) *if needed
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Keldon Johnson + 25/27 Hawks 1sts (both returned) + 26 Hawks 1st Swap Extinguished + _________
With the blank being: #4 or #8 from Spurs
If Spurs really love getting Sarr or Risacher paired with Wemby…makes a lot of sense. It would really set up Spurs for the long run.
Hawks gain their future back. If season goes to ship, tank and trade Trae for a haul.
#1 + Murray + 25 Kings 1st (owed Hawks) *if needed
FOR
Keldon Johnson + 25/27 Hawks 1sts (both returned) + 26 Hawks 1st Swap Extinguished + _________
With the blank being: #4 or #8 from Spurs
If Spurs really love getting Sarr or Risacher paired with Wemby…makes a lot of sense. It would really set up Spurs for the long run.
Hawks gain their future back. If season goes to ship, tank and trade Trae for a haul.
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I think Capela's market improves after Hartenstein and Claxton sign wherever they're going to sign. He's definitely a Plan B for most teams looking to acquire a center.
On Trae, I think you talk to the Nets assuming Mitchell extends. It's really, really difficult to sell a fanbase on a rebuild when you don't own your picks. This especially true for the Nets whose fanbase has already seen what that looks like.
I would definitely move Okongwu now. I'd only bring Bey back on a team-friendly deal. I don't think that either player is a starter on a good team.
On Trae, I think you talk to the Nets assuming Mitchell extends. It's really, really difficult to sell a fanbase on a rebuild when you don't own your picks. This especially true for the Nets whose fanbase has already seen what that looks like.
I would definitely move Okongwu now. I'd only bring Bey back on a team-friendly deal. I don't think that either player is a starter on a good team.
cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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I try to trade for either Minnesota starting center. If you get either, design the roster to fit them.
Assuming you lose Murray, and Capela in that trade, I’m trading OO for a starting guard (dreaming of Smart) and hoping Jalen develops some more as he should… use Murray, OO, Capela, Sac first, 2029 first with some protection.. Not all of that. But that adds up to an overpay IMO.
Theres other stars that might be available that I’d go for. I think stars would like playing with Trae/Jalen and some nice roleplayers if Atlanta ownership makes it clear they are willing to pay the tax to keep the roster together..
If you strike out on all the stars, I’d trade Murray for the best return possible and use a small chunk of that return on a Thybulle or Caruso. Dump some salary named Capela, doesn’t have to be all of the salary, take back 10-14 million and duck the tax. And hope a star becomes available while I fight for the play-in..
Assuming you lose Murray, and Capela in that trade, I’m trading OO for a starting guard (dreaming of Smart) and hoping Jalen develops some more as he should… use Murray, OO, Capela, Sac first, 2029 first with some protection.. Not all of that. But that adds up to an overpay IMO.
Theres other stars that might be available that I’d go for. I think stars would like playing with Trae/Jalen and some nice roleplayers if Atlanta ownership makes it clear they are willing to pay the tax to keep the roster together..
If you strike out on all the stars, I’d trade Murray for the best return possible and use a small chunk of that return on a Thybulle or Caruso. Dump some salary named Capela, doesn’t have to be all of the salary, take back 10-14 million and duck the tax. And hope a star becomes available while I fight for the play-in..
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If the Hawks make that move, then Trae is gonna request out. A move of Murray for your picks back is accepting that Trae is gone.Wolveswin wrote:How about this. A little unorthodox but…
#1 + Murray + 25 Kings 1st (owed Hawks) *if needed
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Keldon Johnson + 25/27 Hawks 1sts (both returned) + 26 Hawks 1st Swap Extinguished + _________
With the blank being: #4 or #8 from Spurs
If Spurs really love getting Sarr or Risacher paired with Wemby…makes a lot of sense. It would really set up Spurs for the long run.
Hawks gain their future back. If season goes to ship, tank and trade Trae for a haul.
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dms269 wrote:If the Hawks make that move, then Trae is gonna request out. A move of Murray for your picks back is accepting that Trae is gone.Wolveswin wrote:How about this. A little unorthodox but…
#1 + Murray + 25 Kings 1st (owed Hawks) *if needed
FOR
Keldon Johnson + 25/27 Hawks 1sts (both returned) + 26 Hawks 1st Swap Extinguished + _________
With the blank being: #4 or #8 from Spurs
If Spurs really love getting Sarr or Risacher paired with Wemby…makes a lot of sense. It would really set up Spurs for the long run.
Hawks gain their future back. If season goes to ship, tank and trade Trae for a haul.
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Murray alone doesn’t get picks back. Not all of them anyway.
And if Trae wants out, he would fetch a nice return. Hawks would have ability to tank for a stronger draft.
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Wolveswin wrote:dms269 wrote:If the Hawks make that move, then Trae is gonna request out. A move of Murray for your picks back is accepting that Trae is gone.Wolveswin wrote:How about this. A little unorthodox but…
#1 + Murray + 25 Kings 1st (owed Hawks) *if needed
FOR
Keldon Johnson + 25/27 Hawks 1sts (both returned) + 26 Hawks 1st Swap Extinguished + _________
With the blank being: #4 or #8 from Spurs
If Spurs really love getting Sarr or Risacher paired with Wemby…makes a lot of sense. It would really set up Spurs for the long run.
Hawks gain their future back. If season goes to ship, tank and trade Trae for a haul.
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Murray alone doesn’t get picks back. Not all of them anyway.
And if Trae wants out, he would fetch a nice return. Hawks would have ability to tank for a stronger draft.
Youngs value is already at a low. Hawks are not going to want him asking out where he has a PO as leverage to where he goes.
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