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Chicago trade: Vucevic, future 2nd(s)
LAL trade: Hachimura

Why for Chicago: add a stretch 4, address C in FA or draft
Why for LAL: add a bigger body to play C next to/behind AD

Work in Caruso and I'm more interested..

Rui+Gabe+17 for Caruso+Vuc

Godaddycurse wrote:Chicago trade: Vucevic, future 2nd(s)
LAL trade: Hachimura

Why for Chicago: add a stretch 4, address C in FA or draft
Why for LAL: add a bigger body to play C next to/behind AD

Can Vuc play defense though?

nzahir wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:Chicago trade: Vucevic, future 2nd(s)
LAL trade: Hachimura

Why for Chicago: add a stretch 4, address C in FA or draft
Why for LAL: add a bigger body to play C next to/behind AD

Can Vuc play defense though?

Not much rim protection but chicago had good team D with him IIRC

I always thought Vuc would look good in LA.

I can also see the deal, with Caruso in there and the #17.

Caruso, Reaves, LeBron, Davis, Vuc
Dinwiddie, Christie, Prince, Vando
JHS, Bronny, Reddish, Lewis, Hayes

Plus DLo or full MLE

With Caruso added, there's a problem
Let's say Vuc and Rui are more or less equal value
I have Caruso worth more than Vincent/#17, due to Vincent being a negative contract

Could the Bulls add JCarter? I think the $ would still work. Carter and Vincent are both ok back up PG options

Caruso/Vuc/JCarter for Rui/Vincent/#17?

Bulls free up a little $ to help resign DDR/PWill/Drummond

Ayo/White/Vincent
Lavine/White
DDR/PWill/Terry
PWill/Rui/Phillips
Drummond/#11
Plus the #17

Vucevic at the 5 with AD next to him would be the first time that he had a real PF. Vuc doesn't get the blocked shot stats that people love but I'd like to see what he could do if he's not the only big on the floor. If you think it's bad defense from Vucevic that he goes to stop a shot so his guy misses but the rotation isn't there and there's an uncontested put back, then yeah he's bad because he can't cover 2 guys in the lane.

Sure if the Lakers want Caruso at the same time make it #17 and JHS and Jaxson Hayes. The Bulls have Javon Carter at half the price of Vincent, they don't need to of the same back up guards that hardly play. If the Bulls were to bring back Javonte Green to actually play guard, he's ahead of both Vincent and Carter for less money.

ChettheJet wrote:Vucevic at the 5 with AD next to him would be the first time that he had a real PF. Vuc doesn't get the blocked shot stats that people love but I'd like to see what he could do if he's not the only big on the floor. If you think it's bad defense from Vucevic that he goes to stop a shot so his guy misses but the rotation isn't there and there's an uncontested put back, then yeah he's bad because he can't cover 2 guys in the lane.

Sure if the Lakers want Caruso at the same time make it #17 and JHS and Jaxson Hayes. The Bulls have Javon Carter at half the price of Vincent, they don't need to of the same back up guards that hardly play. If the Bulls were to bring back Javonte Green to actually play guard, he's ahead of both Vincent and Carter for less money.

He played next to Ibaka in Orlando.

ChettheJet wrote:Vucevic at the 5 with AD next to him would be the first time that he had a real PF. Vuc doesn't get the blocked shot stats that people love but I'd like to see what he could do if he's not the only big on the floor. If you think it's bad defense from Vucevic that he goes to stop a shot so his guy misses but the rotation isn't there and there's an uncontested put back, then yeah he's bad because he can't cover 2 guys in the lane.

Sure if the Lakers want Caruso at the same time make it #17 and JHS and Jaxson Hayes. The Bulls have Javon Carter at half the price of Vincent, they don't need to of the same back up guards that hardly play. If the Bulls were to bring back Javonte Green to actually play guard, he's ahead of both Vincent and Carter for less money.

Aaron Gordon wasn't a real PF?

jbk1234 wrote:
He played next to Ibaka in Orlando.

For half of a season.

Colbinii wrote:

ChettheJet wrote:Vucevic at the 5 with AD next to him would be the first time that he had a real PF. Vuc doesn't get the blocked shot stats that people love but I'd like to see what he could do if he's not the only big on the floor. If you think it's bad defense from Vucevic that he goes to stop a shot so his guy misses but the rotation isn't there and there's an uncontested put back, then yeah he's bad because he can't cover 2 guys in the lane.

Sure if the Lakers want Caruso at the same time make it #17 and JHS and Jaxson Hayes. The Bulls have Javon Carter at half the price of Vincent, they don't need to of the same back up guards that hardly play. If the Bulls were to bring back Javonte Green to actually play guard, he's ahead of both Vincent and Carter for less money.

Aaron Gordon wasn't a real PF?

jbk1234 wrote:
He played next to Ibaka in Orlando.

For half of a season.

Orlando traded Ibaka after half a season because he was supposed to be the ideal fit next to Vuc and the solution to Vuc's deficiencies as a rim protector. It didn't work out that way.

jbk1234 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

ChettheJet wrote:Vucevic at the 5 with AD next to him would be the first time that he had a real PF. Vuc doesn't get the blocked shot stats that people love but I'd like to see what he could do if he's not the only big on the floor. If you think it's bad defense from Vucevic that he goes to stop a shot so his guy misses but the rotation isn't there and there's an uncontested put back, then yeah he's bad because he can't cover 2 guys in the lane.

Sure if the Lakers want Caruso at the same time make it #17 and JHS and Jaxson Hayes. The Bulls have Javon Carter at half the price of Vincent, they don't need to of the same back up guards that hardly play. If the Bulls were to bring back Javonte Green to actually play guard, he's ahead of both Vincent and Carter for less money.

Aaron Gordon wasn't a real PF?

jbk1234 wrote:
He played next to Ibaka in Orlando.

For half of a season.

Orlando traded Ibaka after half a season because he was supposed to be the ideal fit next to Vuc and the solution to Vuc's deficiencies as a rim protector. It didn't work out that way.

Yeah but their guard play was also putrid.

Re: Gordon

The Aaron Gordon who was in ORL is nothing like the Aaron Gordon we see today. He definitely had not lived up to his potential before the trade.

jbk1234 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

ChettheJet wrote:Vucevic at the 5 with AD next to him would be the first time that he had a real PF. Vuc doesn't get the blocked shot stats that people love but I'd like to see what he could do if he's not the only big on the floor. If you think it's bad defense from Vucevic that he goes to stop a shot so his guy misses but the rotation isn't there and there's an uncontested put back, then yeah he's bad because he can't cover 2 guys in the lane.

Sure if the Lakers want Caruso at the same time make it #17 and JHS and Jaxson Hayes. The Bulls have Javon Carter at half the price of Vincent, they don't need to of the same back up guards that hardly play. If the Bulls were to bring back Javonte Green to actually play guard, he's ahead of both Vincent and Carter for less money.

Aaron Gordon wasn't a real PF?

jbk1234 wrote:
He played next to Ibaka in Orlando.

For half of a season.

Orlando traded Ibaka after half a season because he was supposed to be the ideal fit next to Vuc and the solution to Vuc's deficiencies as a rim protector. It didn't work out that way.

They brought in Biyombo and STARTED him over Vuc. I absolutely remember that Vuc caught some shade for actually criticizing the move, which was uncharacteristic of him. He said something like, "I'm the best player on the team" (which was true). Idiot Vogel had some vision of a "Nigerian Great Wall" nightmare of a rim-protecting frontcourt...he was just wrong on all counts. So, the logical Vuc/Ibaka pairing never really got tested. Ibaka was awful once the preseason ended...his effort just went away.

Prime Ibaka next to Prime Vuc would be a textbook complementary fit, with both spreading the floor, Vuc looking like McHale in the post and Ibaka blocking everything. After Ibaka looked terrible and basically quit, Isaac was supposed to be the complementary defensive PF, but he couldn't stay on the floor. Also, Gordon at SF was supposed to be a scoring wing (again in Vogel's complete mischaracterization of players)...so there just wasn't enough offense between Isaac and Gordon, leading to Vuc being turned loose to score and earning All-Star nods on mediocre teams. Aaron Gordon is the same guy he was in ORL but he's being used correctly in DEN, instead of some Paul George fantasy.

From that above something like these:

Lakers D-Lo declines option

LAL: Vucevic , Caruso
Options a) b)
A)
CHI: Pick 17, Hachimura, JHS, Hayes, Reddish*
*Reddish would need to be added to make it work financially

B)
CHI: #17, Hachimura, Vincent (2 future seconds?)

If Vincent is healthy is he better for the win now Lakers then reddish, Hayes , JHS which don’t get minutes.

Lakers don't have the assets for Caruso, Jeannie shouldn't have let him go over pennies.

Lakers don't need or want Vuc (or DDR). It's Caruso or nothing I suspect.

One_and_Done wrote:Lakers don't need or want Vuc (or DDR). It's Caruso or nothing I suspect.

I could see a DeMar SnT with Caruso.


Rui+JHS+17


Caruso, Reaves, DeMar, LeBron, Davis

zimpy27 wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:Lakers don't need or want Vuc (or DDR). It's Caruso or nothing I suspect.

I could see a DeMar SnT with Caruso.


Rui+JHS+17


Caruso, Reaves, DeMar, LeBron, Davis

You'd be the only one that could see that.

Lakers don't want Vuc. Lakers don't have assets for Caruso. Nothing really to discuss. The Venn diagram of trades that the two teams would be OK with are two separate circles.