The Detroit Knicks?

[JayTWill]

Question for Detroit fans...

How would you feel about a package of Randle, Robinson, McBride and the return of your future protected pick? Any interest in those players at all? What would you be willing to give up for that package?

I know Detroit has a ton of cap-space this off-season to work with in free-agency but maybe some or all of the players would be more appealing to the team. It would essentially be taking a good chunk of a playoff team from the last 2 years to put around some of your younger players.

I have questions about how high Randle raises the ceiling of a team but he could definitely help to get the Pistons out of the basement of the league and change the outside perception of the franchise. Robinson when healthy could add a needed boost to their defense and I think McBride would be a great 3 and D guard to play alongside Cade at times. Combined with Grimes that would be four players from a winning culture that have familiarity and chemistry with one another.

For the Knicks I doubt I would do a direct 2 team trade with the Pistons since they don't really have any win now pieces but the Pistons could provide some assets to a 3rd team for a win-now piece. It could also possibly free up some money to add another complimentary piece or 2 in free agency while still retaining the core of the team that fought its way to the second round this year despite all the injuries.

[A_dub06]

Question for Detroit fans...

How would you feel about a package of Randle, Robinson, McBride and the return of your future protected pick? Any interest in those players at all? What would you be willing to give up for that package?

I know Detroit has a ton of cap-space this off-season to work with in free-agency but maybe some or all of the players would be more appealing to the team. It would essentially be taking a good chunk of a playoff team from the last 2 years to put around some of your younger players.

I have questions about how high Randle raises the ceiling of a team but he could definitely help to get the Pistons out of the basement of the league and change the outside perception of the franchise. Robinson when healthy could add a needed boost to their defense and I think McBride would be a great 3 and D guard to play alongside Cade at times. Combined with Grimes that would be four players from a winning culture that have familiarity and chemistry with one another.

For the Knicks I doubt I would do a direct 2 team trade with the Pistons since they don't really have any win now pieces but the Pistons could provide some assets to a 3rd team for a win-now piece. It could also possibly free up some money to add another complimentary piece or 2 in free agency while still retaining the core of the team that fought its way to the second round this year despite all the injuries.

We are that bad our pick will probably not convert, and the package you have listed I feel is a precursor to asking for Cade which makes no sense, and I doubt NYK would want Duren and Ivey for Randle.

The other issue you’re going to have with pistons fans is that we are starting to split into two groups where one think we should build around Cade and add the best players we can, and the other want to tear the team back down and build properly and accumulate assets. Neither group will want to trade Cade for the listed package though.

[jbk1234]

Question for Detroit fans...

How would you feel about a package of Randle, Robinson, McBride and the return of your future protected pick? Any interest in those players at all? What would you be willing to give up for that package?

I know Detroit has a ton of cap-space this off-season to work with in free-agency but maybe some or all of the players would be more appealing to the team. It would essentially be taking a good chunk of a playoff team from the last 2 years to put around some of your younger players.

I have questions about how high Randle raises the ceiling of a team but he could definitely help to get the Pistons out of the basement of the league and change the outside perception of the franchise. Robinson when healthy could add a needed boost to their defense and I think McBride would be a great 3 and D guard to play alongside Cade at times. Combined with Grimes that would be four players from a winning culture that have familiarity and chemistry with one another.

For the Knicks I doubt I would do a direct 2 team trade with the Pistons since they don't really have any win now pieces but the Pistons could provide some assets to a 3rd team for a win-now piece. It could also possibly free up some money to add another complimentary piece or 2 in free agency while still retaining the core of the team that fought its way to the second round this year despite all the injuries.

I mean anything outside of Cade and future picks should be on the table for the Pistons, but unless a player like Grant or Lavine is the win-now piece you're looking for, you're going to struggle finding that third team.

[JayTWill]

Question for Detroit fans...

How would you feel about a package of Randle, Robinson, McBride and the return of your future protected pick? Any interest in those players at all? What would you be willing to give up for that package?

I know Detroit has a ton of cap-space this off-season to work with in free-agency but maybe some or all of the players would be more appealing to the team. It would essentially be taking a good chunk of a playoff team from the last 2 years to put around some of your younger players.

I have questions about how high Randle raises the ceiling of a team but he could definitely help to get the Pistons out of the basement of the league and change the outside perception of the franchise. Robinson when healthy could add a needed boost to their defense and I think McBride would be a great 3 and D guard to play alongside Cade at times. Combined with Grimes that would be four players from a winning culture that have familiarity and chemistry with one another.

For the Knicks I doubt I would not do a direct 2 team trade with the Pistons since they don't really have any win now pieces but the Pistons could provide some assets to a 3rd team for a win-now piece. It could also possibly free up some money to add another complimentary piece or 2 in free agency while still retaining the core of the team that fought its way to the second round this year despite all the injuries.

We are that bad our pick will probably not convert, and the package you have listed I feel is a precursor to asking for Cade which makes no sense, and I doubt NYK would want Duren and Ivey for Randle.

The other issue you’re going to have with pistons fans is that we are starting to split into two groups where one think we should build around Cade and add the best players we can, and the other want to tear the team back down and build properly and accumulate assets. Neither group will want to trade Cade for the listed package though.

Personally i'm not asking for Cade. As I said I doubt I would do a direct 2 team trade with Detroit if I were the Knicks. I'm just looking for some combination of young player(s)/draft pick(s) that could possibly be sent to a 3rd team that does not feel the Knicks collection of picks/win-now are that appealing on their own.

I'm trying to gauge the value of these players going to Detroit if they decide to try to end this continuous rebuild. I also thought they would like having control of their pick going forward especially if they did not plan to be below the protection of that pick for the next 3 years.

[Kalamazoo317]

Ivey, Duren, Sasser, and second round picks is probably the answer. I do think Randle and Robinson would have value for us.

[oldncreaky]

Question for Detroit fans...

How would you feel about a package of Randle, Robinson, McBride and the return of your future protected pick? Any interest in those players at all? What would you be willing to give up for that package?

I know Detroit has a ton of cap-space this off-season to work with in free-agency but maybe some or all of the players would be more appealing to the team. It would essentially be taking a good chunk of a playoff team from the last 2 years to put around some of your younger players.

I have questions about how high Randle raises the ceiling of a team but he could definitely help to get the Pistons out of the basement of the league and change the outside perception of the franchise. Robinson when healthy could add a needed boost to their defense and I think McBride would be a great 3 and D guard to play alongside Cade at times. Combined with Grimes that would be four players from a winning culture that have familiarity and chemistry with one another.

For the Knicks I doubt I would not do a direct 2 team trade with the Pistons since they don't really have any win now pieces but the Pistons could provide some assets to a 3rd team for a win-now piece. It could also possibly free up some money to add another complimentary piece or 2 in free agency while still retaining the core of the team that fought its way to the second round this year despite all the injuries.

We are that bad our pick will probably not convert, and the package you have listed I feel is a precursor to asking for Cade which makes no sense, and I doubt NYK would want Duren and Ivey for Randle.

The other issue you’re going to have with pistons fans is that we are starting to split into two groups where one think we should build around Cade and add the best players we can, and the other want to tear the team back down and build properly and accumulate assets. Neither group will want to trade Cade for the listed package though.

Personally i'm not asking for Cade. As I said I doubt I would do a direct 2 team trade with Detroit if I were the Knicks. I'm just looking for some combination of young player(s)/draft pick(s) that could possibly be sent to a 3rd team that does not feel the Knicks collection of picks/win-now are that appealing on their own.

I'm trying to gauge the value of these players going to Detroit if they decide to try to end this continuous rebuild. I also thought they would like having control of their pick going forward especially if they did not plan to be below the protection of that pick for the next 3 years.

I agree with A_dub06 that Pistons fans are in roughly 2 camps: either use the cap space to add quality players around Cade, or tear it down and start again.

I gotta admit I'm on the fence a bit, but lean towards taking players into our cap space in exchange for compensation in the form of FRPs. This approach will give Cade a bit more runway to see if he is worth building around, and the young players a bit more time to find their level, but is a first step towards (another) complete rebuild which is wehre I suspect we'll end up going.

Because of that, I don't see the NYK players as a fit: they are far too good to be available for just cap relief, but not good enough to tempt me to build around Cade.

[vege]

I love this Knicks team, so no offense to the Knicks fans.

Randle and McBride (to a much lesser extent) are garbage. I wouldn't want them for free.

I like Robinson a lot and I obviously would love our pick back, but I would not eat Randle's contract even if we were given Robinson and our pick back for eating it.

For me, there wouldn't be a deal involving Randle, and I don't value McBride.

The guy I'd love to get is Isaiah Hartenstein and the Knicks have no say in it since he is an UFA.

[OxAndFox]

Another question for Detroit fans. Why does Duren come up in trades a lot from Pistons fans?
What am I missing here? Every time I watch him he is dominant. I get he isn't a great scoring 5, but it seems like for a 20yo big man he is exactly what you would have hoped he could become at this point?

[Rockazoids]

I love this Knicks team, so no offense to the Knicks fans.

Randle and McBride (to a much lesser extent) are garbage. I wouldn't want them for free.

I like Robinson a lot and I obviously would love our pick back, but I would not eat Randle's contract even if we were given Robinson and our pick back for eating it.

For me, there wouldn't be a deal involving Randle, and I don't value McBride.

The guy I'd love to get is Isaiah Hartenstein and the Knicks have no say in it since he is an UFA.

It's kind of funny that you are calling a guy garbage while he has been the last 4 years
3× NBA All-Star (2021, 2023, 2024)
2x All NBA(2021 & 2023)
NBA Most Improved Player (2021)
While DET that has been in the bottom 7 team in the NBA those 4 year.
DET would cream for a Randle.

[GreekAlex]

Another question for Detroit fans. Why does Duren come up in trades a lot from Pistons fans?
What am I missing here? Every time I watch him he is dominant. I get he isn't a great scoring 5, but it seems like for a 20yo big man he is exactly what you would have hoped he could become at this point?

I love him but his defense leaves a lot to be desired.

I think he can improve. Lots of Pistons fans question his defensive instincts and don’t anticipate much growth.

[spree8]

I love this Knicks team, so no offense to the Knicks fans.

Randle and McBride(to a much lesser extent) are garbage. I wouldn't want them for free.

I like Robinson a lot and I obviously would love our pick back, but I would not eat Randle's contract even if we were given Robinson and our pick back for eating it.

For me, there wouldn't be a deal involving Randle, and I don't value McBride.

The guy I'd love to get is Isaiah Hartenstein and the Knicks have no say in it since he is an UFA.

[JennetteMcCurdy]

Let’s try to model something here. Randle and Robinson have two years left on their deals, which is good. Those are tradeable contracts. I thought McBride was terrific in the Philly series - he’s on a declining, affordable contract.


So Knicks trade Randle, Robinson, McBride, and give the first back, which at the very least enables Detroit to trade freely moving forward.

Detroit trades……..

Ivey
Stewart
Sassar
Thompson?

Is that enough? Randle is a 20/10 guy, Thompson would likely have to be included too……

Stewart’s a big off the bench, Ivey takes McBride’s minutes and then some, Sasser is a prospect, and Thompson would be an immediate crowd favorite.

I’m guessing the Knicks would value Stewart’s versatility over Duren’s horrible defense at the moment……

If the new Detroit HOBO wants to win quickly I would think he pulls the trigger, which vaults them out of the bottom of a loaded 2025 draft. Or he tells Randle and Robinson “Play well and I’ll move you at the deadline”

Either way, the much needed roster turnover begins for Detroit, and the Knicks get some cheaper pieces to help them sign Hartenstein and continue their quest……..

[psman2]

Let’s try to model something here. Randle and Robinson have two years left on their deals, which is good. Those are tradeable contracts. I thought McBride was terrific in the Philly series - he’s on a declining, affordable contract.


So Knicks trade Randle, Robinson, McBride, and give the first back, which at the very least enables Detroit to trade freely moving forward.

Detroit trades……..

Ivey
Stewart
Sassar
Thompson?

Is that enough? Randle is a 20/10 guy, Thompson would likely have to be included too……

Stewart’s a big off the bench, Ivey takes McBride’s minutes and then some, Sasser is a prospect, and Thompson would be an immediate crowd favorite.

I’m guessing the Knicks would value Stewart’s versatility over Duren’s horrible defense at the moment……

If the new Detroit HOBO wants to win quickly I would think he pulls the trigger, which vaults them out of the bottom of a loaded 2025 draft. Or he tells Randle and Robinson “Play well and I’ll move you at the deadline”

Either way, the much needed roster turnover begins for Detroit, and the Knicks get some cheaper pieces to help them sign Hartenstein and continue their quest……..

If Randle has this much trade value then he is opting out after next season. So he is a rental. Detroit should not be paying anything for him imo, they should let next season play out and collect another lottery pick and hope it hits. Randle in a single season is just going to win them a few more meaningless games and hurt their chance of landing a real star in the draft or trade. Randle would just be Griffin 2.0.

[vege]

Another question for Detroit fans. Why does Duren come up in trades a lot from Pistons fans?
What am I missing here? Every time I watch him he is dominant. I get he isn't a great scoring 5, but it seems like for a 20yo big man he is exactly what you would have hoped he could become at this point?

Duren played me first ball most of the season, gave 0 effort on defense. He put some numbers but his impact was horrible. He quit and developed a ton of bad habits. This version of Duren is a terrible fit.

He is a phisically gifted big with well above average court vision and he is a decent passer. Once he started putting up big numbers he tried to score every time he grabbed an offensive rebound and most of the time it was high constested shots while his teammates were wide open. Early in the year and even in his rookie season, he would find open teammates and make the correct play.

Due to this lack of development, or his development going the wrong way, a lot of fans don't see him as our 2nd best prospect anymore, and he's been put in the same category as Ivey. A high upside young player but with an undesirable skillset to fit with the guy we believe we need to build around (Cade). Duren is still a very good pick and roll partner to Cade tho.

Another factor is, a lot of fans believe Ausar has a higher ceiling, and we can't have 2 non shooters next to Cade. It's either Ausar or Duren, and the choice have been Ausar.

And lastly. Detroit don't have a lot of valuable assets. So if we want to change things, we need to trade some of our young players in order to acquire different pieces that fit better together. Duren is likely one of our most valuable assets, and a center is easy to replace. We could just sign Goga Bitadze very cheap for example. He is not going to be as good as Duren, but he is going to play top tier defense, protect the rim, and grab rebounds.

But the reality is, we don't know what direction our new FO will take. Nothing has been said about it. We don't know if we are going to tear everything down and restart. If we are going to build around Cade. If we are going to try to make Cade/Ivey/Ausar/Duren fit together.

[OxAndFox]

Thanks for the answers guys.
It sounds like he was allowed to get away with too much offensively. That falls on the coach and I know there aren't many Monty fans from the looks of it.

But having said that, the point about Ausar is a good one and certainly I had thought about that when looking at the Pistons with shooting.

[vege]

Is that enough? Randle is a 20/10 guy,

Randle is a guy that doesn't play defense and is an inneficient high volume scorer. He is not as bad as Zach LaVine but I put them in the same category. Not a player I would like to have on my team.

The Knicks are better without him imo. I love Brunson/DDV/OG/Hart/Hartenstein lineup. They should be in the ECF if not by injuries, and they could be in the finals.

[Kalamazoo317]

Duren's a great rebounder and has shown a lot of potential in terms of offense in the post/rim running/etc. He's a smart and willing passer. His rim protection is miles away, he's shown very little in terms of defensive instinct and effort, and he's thus far a non-shooter which, as others have said, is tough to balance with Ausar. If he doesn't improve on defense this coming season at least, his stock around the league is likely to take a major hit, so there's some idea of selling high on "potential" before that happens as well.

[Mr Peanut]

I would be open to trading for our first rounder back, as it gives us flexibility for other trades to bring in better players. I'd probably trade two second rounders for it. For those that don't think that's enough you only need to look at the protections and the trajectory of our team to realize the most likely scenario is that the pick becomes a 2027 second rounder anyway.

I'd also be open to Randle, although don't think I'd give up what Knicks fans would want for him, being mindful of the fact he is due for a massive extension next year.

[7r5ur]

I don't care a whole lot about getting the pick back. The idea of this front office having the full plethora of near-future 1st rounders available to trade after a 14 win season is a lot more scary than it is enticing. On no planet should we be sending out these picks in our current situation. I think Weaver set it up that way intentionally with the pick protections. He didn't want those picks available to trade if the Pistons were bad and ownership was getting impatient, ready to hit the Blake Griffin button again.

I'm gonna need to see a play-in run before I consider going all-in with more draft assets, so not having them available is fine.

As for the players, I don't know if it works just because Randle is not a good shooter nor is he a plus defender and those are our biggest weak areas. He'd still make the team better, so I'd be open to taking him for cheap, but I don't think the Knicks would accept what I'd be offering. Surely there's a better fit out there.

[7r5ur]

Another question for Detroit fans. Why does Duren come up in trades a lot from Pistons fans?
What am I missing here? Every time I watch him he is dominant. I get he isn't a great scoring 5, but it seems like for a 20yo big man he is exactly what you would have hoped he could become at this point?

He's a beast on the boards and has some real offensive talent. It really wouldn't shock me if he gains some shooting range and is knocking on the door of being a 20/12 guy at some point. He's got a great touch and went from a bad FT shooter to like 80% in no time. Flashes some turnaround fadeaway middys and nice footwork.

But, he offers very little resistance around the rim and is a big part of the reason this team couldn't defend anyone. Hard to tell how much is effort versus BBIQ and how much that can be improved. He's still super young, but I think you'd see more in that area just on athleticism and instinct if he were going to develop into something better than just a Valanciunas level big defensively. Oddly, he showed flashes in the first few games of the year where it looked like he took a major leap as a help defender, but then he got a little banged up, was in and out of the lineup, and never really had that impact again.

Maybe if you have some sort of Chet-esque player next to him at the 4 it could be a great pairing where they makeup for each other's weaknesses.