Cavs/Knicks/Nets

[Astaluego]

CAVS
In:Randle/Bridges/Schroeder/Sharpe
Out: Garland/Allen/Niang/20?

Assuming Mitchell extends... Get an allstart that fits better with Donovan and Mobley, an elite glue/role player

Mitchell/Schroeder
Bridges/Levert
Struss/Okoro
Randle/Wade
Mobley/Sharpe



KNICKS
In:Allen/Niang
Out:Randle Knicks

likely lose Hartestein to FA, get elite replacement

NETS In: Garland/20 Out:Bridges/Schroeder/Sharpe

Nets need to rebuild, get the youngest and most talented player in the deal

Thoughts? not sure who should send selections to whom

[ecuhus1981]

I don't really get it for the Knicks. The value is OK for Brooklyn i suppose, though I'm confused by the direction.

[jbk1234]

Cavs aren't going to trade for Randle and they're definitely not going to send the Knicks Allen.

[jbk1234]

I don't really get it for the Knicks. The value is OK for Brooklyn i suppose, though I'm confused by the direction.

There are rumors that Hartenstein's market exceeds the early Bird rights the Knicks hold.

[DowJones]

I would do this as a Cavs fan.

[Astaluego]

Cavs aren't going to trade for Randle and they're definitely not going to send the Knicks Allen.

Why wouldn't I want Randle?
I think he would fit very well, on this team, as a 2 manager, surrounded by 3 very good shooters, providing toughness and rebound to minimize the loss of Allen and offering better spacing, I understand that Randle is not a fan favorite, but he is a 3 times allstar, most improved player, 2 best quintet.....
One could argue that he is more impactful in the current game, than at the end of the day a traditional center, no matter how good he is

[Astaluego]

I don't really get it for the Knicks. The value is OK for Brooklyn i suppose, though I'm confused by the direction.

It is rumored that Hartestein is going to receive offers above what the Knicks could offer him and Allen would even be an upgrade, also reports suggest that the Randle/Knicks relationship could be exhausted...

With the Nets probably needing a rebuild, they change to the oldest player, with only 2 more years on his contract, for the youngest, locked up for longer and with a higher ceiling,
what surprises you? honest question

[jbk1234]

I would do this as a Cavs fan.

That's because you're imagining Randle as a stretch 4 rather than a ball dominant post player who clogs the paint.

[Knickfan1982]

CAVS
In:Randle/Bridges/Schroeder/Sharpe
Out: Garland/Allen/Niang/20?

Assuming Mitchell extends... Get an allstart that fits better with Donovan and Mobley, an elite glue/role player

Mitchell/Schroeder
Bridges/Levert
Struss/Okoro
Randle/Wade
Mobley/Sharpe



KNICKS
In:Allen/Niang
Out:Randle Knicks

likely lose Hartestein to FA, get elite replacement

NETS In: Garland/20 Out:Bridges/Schroeder/Sharpe

Nets need to rebuild, get the youngest and most talented player in the deal

Thoughts? not sure who should send selections to whom


It is rumored that Hartestein is going to receive offers above what the Knicks could offer him and Allen would even be an upgrade, also reports suggest that the Randle/Knicks relationship could be exhausted...

The problem is that you're replacing Hartenstein by getting rid of our starting power forward. Depending on the other moves I might be ok with this but in a vacuum this is a cutting off your foot to heal a broken toe.

[jbk1234]

Cavs aren't going to trade for Randle and they're definitely not going to send the Knicks Allen.

Why wouldn't I want Randle?
I think he would fit very well, on this team, as a 2 manager, surrounded by 3 very good shooters, providing toughness and rebound to minimize the loss of Allen and offering better spacing, I understand that Randle is not a fan favorite, but he is a 3 times allstar, most improved player, 2 best quintet.....
One could argue that he is more impactful in the current game, than at the end of the day a traditional center, no matter how good he is

There's no need for the Knicks to be in this trade. I'd rather insist the Nets include DFS.

[DowJones]

I would do this as a Cavs fan.

That's because you're imagining Randle as a stretch 4 rather than a ball dominant post player who clogs the paint.

I think Bridges and Randle fit better with Mobley and Mitchell. Randle isn’t a stretch 4. He can knock down an open 3, but wouldn’t classify him as a traditional stretch 4. I don’t love Randle as a player the way some do, but he does fit better next to Mobley than Allen does.

[mcfly1204]

I would do this as a Cavs fan.

That's because you're imagining Randle as a stretch 4 rather than a ball dominant post player who clogs the paint.

I think Bridges and Randle fit better with Mobley and Mitchell. Randle isn’t a stretch 4. He can knock down an open 3, but wouldn’t classify him as a traditional stretch 4. I don’t love Randle as a player the way some do, but he does fit better next to Mobley than Allen does.

A lot depends on who is starting at the 3 for Cleveland. If they've upgraded, and you have a dynamic wing slotted in there, I'd be inclined to start (a healthy) Dean Wade next to Mobley for the defense and spacing. If Cleveland runs with a 3nD wing at the 3, someone like Randle who can creator more would make sense.

[jbk1234]

I would do this as a Cavs fan.

That's because you're imagining Randle as a stretch 4 rather than a ball dominant post player who clogs the paint.

I think Bridges and Randle fit better with Mobley and Mitchell. Randle isn’t a stretch 4. He can knock down an open 3, but wouldn’t classify him as a traditional stretch 4. I don’t love Randle as a player the way some do, but he does fit better next to Mobley than Allen does.

The entire rationale behind trading Allen, dubious as it is, is that Mobley needs more space to operate so he can reach his ceiling more quickly. Randle has averaged 18 FGA per game over the last 4 seasons and the vast majority of those shots come within the painted area. How is that a better fit?

Randle represents a huge step back from Allen defensively, takes twice as many shots as Allen, and when he's been healthy enough to actually play in the playoffs, he's been bad. When he hasn't been healthy enough to play, the Knicks offense actually runs better.

The problem as I see it is Randle won't get 18 FGA per game in Cleveland with Mitchell and Bridges in the same unit (Mitchell will see to it) but if he somehow does, what's left for Mobley? I'm genuinely curious as to why you think he's a better fit.

That aside, the value is wildly off and the Knicks don't need to be in the trade. Allen is reported to have many suitors as to where the best offer reportedly made for Randle, over three years, was a vague *nuetral value* deal with an unnamed team.

[DowJones]

That's because you're imagining Randle as a stretch 4 rather than a ball dominant post player who clogs the paint.

I think Bridges and Randle fit better with Mobley and Mitchell. Randle isn’t a stretch 4. He can knock down an open 3, but wouldn’t classify him as a traditional stretch 4. I don’t love Randle as a player the way some do, but he does fit better next to Mobley than Allen does.

The entire rationale behind trading Allen, dubious as it is, is that Mobley needs more space to operate so he can reach his ceiling more quickly. Randle has averaged 18 FGA per game over the last 4 seasons and the vast majority of those shots come within the painted area. How is that a better fit?

Randle represents a huge step back from Allen defensively, takes twice as many shots as Allen, and when he's been healthy enough to actually play in the playoffs, he's been bad. When he hasn't been healthy enough to play, the Knicks offense actually runs better.

The problem as I see it is Randle won't get 18 FGA per game in Cleveland with Mitchell and Bridges in the same unit (Mitchell will see to it) but if he somehow does, what's left for Mobley? I'm genuinely curious as to why you think he's a better fit.

That aside, the value is wildly off and the Knicks don't need to be in the trade. Allen is reported to have many suitors as to where the best offer reportedly made for Randle, over three years, was a vague *nuetral value* deal with an unnamed team.

Cool, then move Allen in a different deal. I am fine with that as well. I also like the idea of starting Dean Wade next to Mobley, so I don't necessarily believe we have to get a PF in a deal for Allen.

[spree8]

That's because you're imagining Randle as a stretch 4 rather than a ball dominant post player who clogs the paint.

I think Bridges and Randle fit better with Mobley and Mitchell. Randle isn’t a stretch 4. He can knock down an open 3, but wouldn’t classify him as a traditional stretch 4. I don’t love Randle as a player the way some do, but he does fit better next to Mobley than Allen does.

The entire rationale behind trading Allen, dubious as it is, is that Mobley needs more space to operate so he can reach his ceiling more quickly. Randle has averaged 18 FGA per game over the last 4 seasons and the vast majority of those shots come within the painted area. How is that a better fit?

Randle represents a huge step back from Allen defensively, takes twice as many shots as Allen, and when he's been healthy enough to actually play in the playoffs, he's been bad. When he hasn't been healthy enough to play, the Knicks offense actually runs better.

The problem as I see it is Randle won't get 18 FGA per game in Cleveland with Mitchell and Bridges in the same unit (Mitchell will see to it) but if he somehow does, what's left for Mobley? I'm genuinely curious as to why you think he's a better fit.

That aside, the value is wildly off and the Knicks don't need to be in the trade. Allen is reported to have many suitors as to where the best offer reportedly made for Randle, over three years, was a vague *nuetral value* deal with an unnamed team.

Summarizing Randle as a “ball dominant post player who clogs the paint” is really off. No mention of his passing ability which would work really well with Mobley’s. He was playing the best ball of his career this past season mainly due to his buying in and playing team ball. No mention of his gravity, his ability as a play-maker, ability to put the ball on the floor and attack from the perimeter, versatility, mid-range game, etc. Just an over-simplification and massive short-selling. His 2-man game with Donovan would be really great imo …

Not to worry tho, the Knicks FO would never make this trade as it makes zero sense for the team. The value is wildly off for NY because you don’t trade a 24 & 10 multi-time All NBA/All-Star player for a one dimensional type like Allen.

He has a worse playoff resume than Randle too (injured this year just like him, and last year he shrunk under the bright lights). Randle had multiple serious injuries last year, but still played thru them (had surgery right after the PO) and had zero help in 2021 with a coach who at the time wasn’t able to come up with anything to get him out of constant ATL double teams.

Doesn’t sound like you’ve seen much of him, so I’ll leave you with a couple clips… Knicks aren’t getting rid of this…

Watch on YouTube

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[JKiddy]

Is Darius Garland at this time worth this much more than Bridges?

I think the answer is no. The Nets are giving up too much for Garland.

[toooskies]

Is Darius Garland at this time worth this much more than Bridges?

I think the answer is no. The Nets are giving up too much for Garland.

Are you saying Sharpe and Schroeder are worth more than #20? I think they're just salary filler here.

[mcfly1204]

Is Darius Garland at this time worth this much more than Bridges?

I think the answer is no. The Nets are giving up too much for Garland.

Are you saying Sharpe and Schroeder are worth more than #20? I think they're just salary filler here.

Not to mention that if Brooklyn drags their feet on moving Bridges, come this time next year, Mikal will be approaching the final year of his deal, and would have to be considered a flight risk, as opposed to Garland who is locked in for two additional years.

[jbk1234]

Is Darius Garland at this time worth this much more than Bridges?

I think the answer is no. The Nets are giving up too much for Garland.

Are you saying Sharpe and Schroeder are worth more than #20? I think they're just salary filler here.

Not to mention that if Brooklyn drags their feet on moving Bridges, come this time next year, Mikal will be approaching the final year of his deal, and would have to be considered a flight risk, as opposed to Garland who is locked in for two additional years.

Three years.

[Knickfan1982]

Is Darius Garland at this time worth this much more than Bridges?

I think the answer is no. The Nets are giving up too much for Garland.

Are you saying Sharpe and Schroeder are worth more than #20? I think they're just salary filler here.

I think you're underestimating Sharpe. He's a solid young big man. 6.8 points, 6.4 rebounds and almost a block a game while averaging only 15 minutes. That's really good production for limited minutes.