ATL - BKN - SAC - UTA (Kings Go All In)

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ATL - BKN - SAC - UTA (Kings Go All In) 

Post#1 » by bpcox05 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 12:52 pm

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ATL Gets: 2025 POR 2nd
ATL Gives: Agrees to allow the 2025 SAC 1st to become unprotected
Why for ATL? The Hawks are compensated with a likely early 2nd for allowing the deal to be facilitated which needs the SAC 2025 1st to be unprotected (allowing the Kings to trade 2027, 2029, and 2031 1sts)

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BKN Gets: Keegan Murray, Sasha Vezenkov, Chris Duarte, 2028 SAC 1st Pick Swap, & 2030 SAC 1st Pick Swap
BKN Gives: Mikal Bridges
Why for BKN? The Nets move Bridges for a blue chip prospect who could still reach (or even surpass) Bridges level of production while opening up even more cap space for the 2025 offseason (since Murray will still be on his rookie deal) giving them a chance at signing 2 max FAs that offseason to pair with Murray, Johnson, & a resigned Claxton (assuming they look to move DFS for future assets). They also get some distant pick swaps that could be valuable depending on how the Kings shake out and/or how BKN's 2025 offseason goes.

PG - Schroder
SG - Thomas / Duarte
SF - Murray / Johnson / Whitehead / Bates-Diop
PF - Finney-Smith / Vezenkov / Wilson
C - Claxton / Simmons / Sharpe / Clowney

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SAC Gets: Mikal Bridges & Lauri Markkanen
SAC Gives: Kevin Huerter, Keegan Murray, Sasha Vezenkov, Chris Duarte, #13, 2025 POR 2nd, 2027 SAC 1st (Unprotected), 2028 SAC 1st Pick Swap, 2029 SAC 1st (Unprotected), 2030 SAC 1st Pick Swap, & 2031 SAC 1st (Unprotected)
Why for Kings? The Kings go all in and bring aboard two quality players that are not only on the same timeline as their core but also complement them very well. With this amount of draft capital going out, there would have to be an understanding/agreement that Markkanen would extend with the Kings.

PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Ellis / Monk* / Jones
SF - Bridges / Barnes
PF - Markkanen / Lyles
C - Sabonis
* resigned

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UTA Gets: Kevin Huerter, #13, 2027 SAC 1st (Unprotected), 2029 SAC 1st (Unprotected), & 2031 SAC 1st (Unprotected)
UTA Gives: Lauri Markkanen
Why for UTA? The Jazz cash in on the 27 year old Markkanen and move into a hard rebuild with hopes of landing a top pick in the loaded 2025 draft. In exchange for Markkanen, they get a lottery pick and 3 unprotected 1st to add to their asset pool.

PG - Sexton / Clarkson
SG - George
SF - Huerter / Sensabaugh / Bazley
PF - Hendricks / Collins / Lofton
C - Kessler / Yurtseven

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Post#2 » by ecuhus1981 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 12:58 pm

I don't mind this from a Brooklyn perspective.
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Re: ATL - BKN - SAC - UTA (Kings Go All In) 

Post#3 » by epfou1 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 1:03 pm

Atlanta can shakedown the Kings and request Keegan Murray to be received in return, to allow the 2025 pick to be unprotected.

Without Atlanta playing ball, Kings can’t do much. Sorry a 2nd round pick isn’t going to cut it. Even if it was “free”.
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Re: ATL - BKN - SAC - UTA (Kings Go All In) 

Post#4 » by bpcox05 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 1:13 pm

epfou1 wrote:Atlanta can shakedown the Kings and request Keegan Murray to be received in return, to allow the 2025 pick to be unprotected.

Without Atlanta playing ball, Kings can’t do much. Sorry a 2nd round pick isn’t going to cut it. Even if it was “free”.

Did you mean Kris Murray? He's on POR. There's no way you actually meant to type Keegan Murray, right?
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Post#5 » by Godaddycurse » Sun Jun 2, 2024 1:18 pm

epfou1 wrote:Atlanta can shakedown the Kings and request Keegan Murray to be received in return, to allow the 2025 pick to be unprotected.

Without Atlanta playing ball, Kings can’t do much. Sorry a 2nd round pick isn’t going to cut it. Even if it was “free”.

Nah kings just say trade 27/29/31 1sts 2 yrs after conditional on 2025 1st conveying to atlanta and dont even need to send atlanta anything
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Post#6 » by bpcox05 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 1:22 pm

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epfou1 wrote:Atlanta can shakedown the Kings and request Keegan Murray to be received in return, to allow the 2025 pick to be unprotected.

Without Atlanta playing ball, Kings can’t do much. Sorry a 2nd round pick isn’t going to cut it. Even if it was “free”.

Nah kings just say trade 27/29/31 1sts 2 yrs after conditional on 2025 1st conveying to atlanta and dont even need to send atlanta anything

I don't think they can do that for the 2031 1st since the pick due to ATL could convey in 2026 which would result in the picks being 2028, 2030, and 2032. That scenario means that it could results in the Kings trading a pick 8 years out which is not allowed. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the rule though?
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Post#7 » by Godaddycurse » Sun Jun 2, 2024 1:23 pm

bpcox05 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
epfou1 wrote:Atlanta can shakedown the Kings and request Keegan Murray to be received in return, to allow the 2025 pick to be unprotected.

Without Atlanta playing ball, Kings can’t do much. Sorry a 2nd round pick isn’t going to cut it. Even if it was “free”.

Nah kings just say trade 27/29/31 1sts 2 yrs after conditional on 2025 1st conveying to atlanta and dont even need to send atlanta anything

I don't think they can do that for the 2031 1st since the pick due to ATL could convey in 2026 which would result in the picks being 2028, 2030, and 2032. That scenario means that it could results in the Kings trading a pick 8 years out which is not allowed. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the rule though?


Just say it becomes a swap if it doesnt xonvey
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Re: ATL - BKN - SAC - UTA (Kings Go All In) 

Post#8 » by bpcox05 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 1:35 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
bpcox05 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote: Nah kings just say trade 27/29/31 1sts 2 yrs after conditional on 2025 1st conveying to atlanta and dont even need to send atlanta anything

I don't think they can do that for the 2031 1st since the pick due to ATL could convey in 2026 which would result in the picks being 2028, 2030, and 2032. That scenario means that it could results in the Kings trading a pick 8 years out which is not allowed. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the rule though?


Just say it becomes a swap if it doesnt xonvey

Sure but then that would take a swap away from BKN. I guess we could simply reroute the 2025 POR 2nd to BKN in its place though so perhaps that’s enough to get the deal done? Although there is a bit of a value difference in receiving 4 1sts vs. 3 1sts and a pick swap for UTA. However, I have a really really hard time seeing a team with Fox, Bridges, Markkanen, and Sabonis being a bottom 12 team this year so it probably should work. See ya ATL!! :wink:
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Post#9 » by eminence » Sun Jun 2, 2024 1:51 pm

I think this is a pretty good looking deal. I could see an argument that a little of the value going to Utah should go to Brooklyn instead.

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Post#10 » by Netaman » Sun Jun 2, 2024 3:02 pm

eminence wrote:I think this is a pretty good looking deal. I could see an argument that a little of the value going to Utah should go to Brooklyn instead.

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Yeah I feel like Nets need at least 1 unprotected first that went to Utah, and maybe Utah gets 1 of the swaps that went to Nets?

Overall a really good effort and if Nets were to move Bridges, I think this is the type of deal it would take.
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Post#11 » by BoogieTime » Sun Jun 2, 2024 3:40 pm

not really a fan of Mikal. efficiency not there, his defense isnt statistically there with only two years contractually.. just go for Lauri
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Post#12 » by bpcox05 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 3:55 pm

BoogieTime wrote:not really a fan of Mikal. efficiency not there, his defense isnt statistically there with only two years contractually.. just go for Lauri

Well Bridges is also being asked to be a #1 option which 1) impacts his efficiency and 2) impacts the energy he can spend on defense.

Fox and Markkanen would be ahead of Bridges in the pecking order offensively. Then you have Sabonis to consider and Malik off the bench. I would expect Bridges to settle in as a secondary scorer again (thus increasing his efficiency) and focus on elite defense (which he has already proved he can do making 1st Team All-Defense and being the runner up for DPOY).
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Re: ATL - BKN - SAC - UTA (Kings Go All In) 

Post#13 » by Euphonetiks » Sun Jun 2, 2024 4:08 pm

With the historic asking prices for these two players, I cannot imagine that even Murray and 4 1sts is enough to acquire both Mikal and Lauri.

Is Keegan and 2 swaps better than the #3 pick plus whatever prospects/picks Houston would offer?

4 picks could maybe get Lauri, but from prior deals Ainge probably wants a decent prospect + picks.
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Post#14 » by OxAndFox » Sun Jun 2, 2024 4:17 pm

On first glance I was on board, but I'm not doing the Brooklyn part.
Not suggesting the value isn't there because it is. Just think Keegan will go past Mikal, as quickly as next season potentially.
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Post#15 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Jun 2, 2024 4:20 pm

Okay for such a big deal this is really well done. I can't find any real issues here.
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Post#16 » by SkyHook » Sun Jun 2, 2024 4:45 pm

As much as I like Bridges, I prefer Murray now and in the future. The Lauri portion is balanced nicely; I think the Kings are better off doing that part alone.
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Post#17 » by dms269 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 4:46 pm

The issue from Atlanta is if they do the deal, that pick goes from something that could be a mid teens pick to something that should be a mid to late 20s due to the value of the players the Kings are getting.
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Re: ATL - BKN - SAC - UTA (Kings Go All In) 

Post#18 » by SNPA » Sun Jun 2, 2024 6:08 pm

dms269 wrote:The issue from Atlanta is if they do the deal, that pick goes from something that could be a mid teens pick to something that should be a mid to late 20s due to the value of the players the Kings are getting.

ATL has to stop playing games next year though or run the risk of a key Kings injury and they end up with a 2nds instead of a first.

Kings finish 12 next year. Injury tanks following year. ATL…oppsie. Very plausible scenario. 2025 is a good draft, take the pick unprotected and see what happens. That’s the best path for ATL, getting a free second out of it is bonus.
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Re: ATL - BKN - SAC - UTA (Kings Go All In) 

Post#19 » by SNPA » Sun Jun 2, 2024 6:13 pm

bpcox05 wrote:---------------------------------------

ATL Gets: 2025 POR 2nd
ATL Gives: Agrees to allow the 2025 SAC 1st to become unprotected
Why for ATL? The Hawks are compensated with a likely early 2nd for allowing the deal to be facilitated which needs the SAC 2025 1st to be unprotected (allowing the Kings to trade 2027, 2029, and 2031 1sts)

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BKN Gets: Keegan Murray, Sasha Vezenkov, Chris Duarte, 2028 SAC 1st Pick Swap, & 2030 SAC 1st Pick Swap
BKN Gives: Mikal Bridges
Why for BKN? The Nets move Bridges for a blue chip prospect who could still reach (or even surpass) Bridges level of production while opening up even more cap space for the 2025 offseason (since Murray will still be on his rookie deal) giving them a chance at signing 2 max FAs that offseason to pair with Murray, Johnson, & a resigned Claxton (assuming they look to move DFS for future assets). They also get some distant pick swaps that could be valuable depending on how the Kings shake out and/or how BKN's 2025 offseason goes.

PG - Schroder
SG - Thomas / Duarte
SF - Murray / Johnson / Whitehead / Bates-Diop
PF - Finney-Smith / Vezenkov / Wilson
C - Claxton / Simmons / Sharpe / Clowney

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SAC Gets: Mikal Bridges & Lauri Markkanen
SAC Gives: Kevin Huerter, Keegan Murray, Sasha Vezenkov, Chris Duarte, #13, 2025 POR 2nd, 2027 SAC 1st (Unprotected), 2028 SAC 1st Pick Swap, 2029 SAC 1st (Unprotected), 2030 SAC 1st Pick Swap, & 2031 SAC 1st (Unprotected)
Why for Kings? The Kings go all in and bring aboard two quality players that are not only on the same timeline as their core but also complement them very well. With this amount of draft capital going out, there would have to be an understanding/agreement that Markkanen would extend with the Kings.

PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Ellis / Monk* / Jones
SF - Bridges / Barnes
PF - Markkanen / Lyles
C - Sabonis
* resigned

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UTA Gets: Kevin Huerter, #13, 2027 SAC 1st (Unprotected), 2029 SAC 1st (Unprotected), & 2031 SAC 1st (Unprotected)
UTA Gives: Lauri Markkanen
Why for UTA? The Jazz cash in on the 27 year old Markkanen and move into a hard rebuild with hopes of landing a top pick in the loaded 2025 draft. In exchange for Markkanen, they get a lottery pick and 3 unprotected 1st to add to their asset pool.

PG - Sexton / Clarkson
SG - George
SF - Huerter / Sensabaugh / Bazley
PF - Hendricks / Collins / Lofton
C - Kessler / Yurtseven

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I like it but would likely cut out Brooklyn. The gap between Keegan and Mikal is closing. Kings are giving up a lot of draft capital to get Lauri, holding on to some could be huge.
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Re: ATL - BKN - SAC - UTA (Kings Go All In) 

Post#20 » by OGSactownballer » Sun Jun 2, 2024 6:32 pm

No.

These two players are borderline All Stars and not the “over the top” guys that would insure a dynasty.

This drains all future assets and cost controlled players as we go into luxury tax hell having to max all these guys.

We need a couple of key pieces and effective depth, not guys who aren’t Bona fide superstars at that price.

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