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Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 4:34 pm
by Texas Chuck
Hawks get: Longdale
Thunder get: Adams
Rockets get: Capela

Assume OKC does not get Hartenstein in free agency.

Hawks solve their tax issue and reset the Collins TPE, clear the spot for Sarr to pair with OO
Thunder get a backup center they know and love, he helps on the court, he helps in the room. Still have space to do more things.
Rockets gain a roster spot and get an old favorite to backup Sengun. Better rim runner/rim protector.

Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 4:53 pm
by Godaddycurse
Feel like rockets owe a 2nd to OKC

Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 4:57 pm
by SkyHook
Texas Chuck wrote:Hawks get: Longdale
Thunder get: Adams
Rockets get: Capela

Assume OKC does not get Hartenstein in free agency.

Hawks solve their tax issue and reset the Collins TPE, clear the spot for Sarr to pair with OO
Thunder get a backup center they know and love, he helps on the court, he helps in the room. Still have space to do more things.
Rockets gain a roster spot and get an old favorite to backup Sengun. Better rim runner/rim protector.


Yep, this works.

Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 5:01 pm
by jayjaysee
All three teams should do this.

Nice and simple and everyone happy.

OKC can be happy with their Adams back and focus their offseason on the PF instead.

Other teams are obvious to me.

Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 5:03 pm
by BlazersBroncos
Ya this is a pretty great trade - but I think HOU owes something small.

Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 5:05 pm
by Texas Chuck
Godaddycurse wrote:Feel like rockets owe a 2nd to OKC


Presti will never turn down a future pick. :D I might have Atlanta owing it if either though. I guess it depends on what believes the on court difference is between Capela and Adams and how it relates to their money. In the end I just kept it clean, but if each team likes the deal otherwise nobody should balk at a 2nd.

Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 5:07 pm
by BlazersBroncos
Texas Chuck wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Feel like rockets owe a 2nd to OKC


Presti will never turn down a future pick. :D I might have Atlanta owing it if either though. I guess it depends on what believes the on court difference is between Capela and Adams and how it relates to their money. In the end I just kept it clean, but if each team likes the deal otherwise nobody should balk at a 2nd.


I think the pick is owed because while similar talents Adams is coming off an injury and Clint isnt.

Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 5:16 pm
by K_chile22
BlazersBroncos wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Feel like rockets owe a 2nd to OKC


Presti will never turn down a future pick. :D I might have Atlanta owing it if either though. I guess it depends on what believes the on court difference is between Capela and Adams and how it relates to their money. In the end I just kept it clean, but if each team likes the deal otherwise nobody should balk at a 2nd.


I think the pick is owed because while similar talents Adams is coming off an injury and Clint isnt.


Think the extra $9.6M between the two evens that out without extra incentive, Landale only needs to be guaranteed for about $2.1M to make this trade work (would probably require a little more to get him to agree tho).

I've had the thought of a adams-capela swap before but figured I was just being sentimental, but I'd do this. Would be wary of adding any incentive at all though to be honest

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Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 6:02 pm
by sonictecture
What happens to this deal w/o OKC?

Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 6:07 pm
by Texas Chuck
sonictecture wrote:What happens to this deal w/o OKC?


I would say it would leave Adams in Atlanta with Londale dumped on a 3rd team with some minor incentive. Unless another cap space team wants Adams then its the exact same only with a different team.

Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 6:15 pm
by sonictecture
Texas Chuck wrote:
sonictecture wrote:What happens to this deal w/o OKC?


I would say it would leave Adams in Atlanta with Londale dumped on a 3rd team with some minor incentive. Unless another cap space team wants Adams then its the exact same only with a different team.

I don’t think there is a cap space team that absorbs the 12m salary of Adam’s without incentive, including okc

Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 6:40 pm
by K_chile22
sonictecture wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
sonictecture wrote:What happens to this deal w/o OKC?


I would say it would leave Adams in Atlanta with Londale dumped on a 3rd team with some minor incentive. Unless another cap space team wants Adams then its the exact same only with a different team.

I don’t think there is a cap space team that absorbs the 12m salary of Adam’s without incentive, including okc
Maybe Houston completely misread the market but Adams was just traded for a guy that expired and 3 (even if one is awful) seconds, which suggests he has positive value at that number for this year

Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 6:43 pm
by K_chile22
I think without OKC the easiest version is Adams and Jock to Atlanta and Jock gets only like $4M of his deal guaranteed. He gets $4M in pocket plus the ability to get a minimum if Atlanta waives him. If he doesn't agree it kind of falls apart but I don't think any of the teams here are that desperate to make it work so they'd just move on

Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 6:49 pm
by ThatBoyNick
I’m not completely sure Capela is better than Adams for what Houston needs.

Yes a better lob threat and more agile, but Capela is also a bit undersized. Maybe it’s just me remembering his youth and he’s grown into his body as an older player, but I recall us turning to Nene when Clint couldn’t hold his own against the giants.

I think we might need more of a Nene (Adams) type as a backup for Sengun. If we wanted to go more agile we always have Smith at C with Eason or Thompson at PF.

The only exception to all of this is health, if Clint projects to be able to play significantly more games going forward, I could see us going for this.

Re: Expiring Center swap -- the returns ATL/OKC/HOU

Posted: Sun Jun 2, 2024 6:55 pm
by psman2
K_chile22 wrote:I think without OKC the easiest version is Adams and Jock to Atlanta and Jock gets only like $4M of his deal guaranteed. He gets $4M in pocket plus the ability to get a minimum if Atlanta waives him. If he doesn't agree it kind of falls apart but I don't think any of the teams here are that desperate to make it work so they'd just move on


Agreed if Adams can pass a physical. Adams vet presence would be a good thing to have in Atlanta and they get tax breathing room as a result. OKC really isn't needed here if they don't value Adams.

Rumors are that might have been something behind the scenes with Adams being a little upset here near the end. But if they are both open to a reunion I would offer Zaire/Rose/2nds for him still if that is something Atlanta would want and we haven't solved our center position yet. Point is if Adams is healthy he should be able to be spun off for minor assets and/or more money savings.