Trae to LAL: 3 way with Toronto

[islandboy53]

This 3 team trade is a variation of a recent Bleacher report trade. It gets the Lakers a 3rd star, using Toronto to take on DLo. I'm assuming that this is a draft weekend trade, and that Russell has opted into his final year at that point. Because it occurs this cap year, rather than next, LA is not hard capped at the 2nd apron next year. Both LA and Atlanta see their payrolls reduced slightly. Atlanta uses its $23 million TPE to take in Hachimura, and creates a substantial new TPE. Toronto creates a roughly $5 million TPE.

Lakers: in - Young from (Atl), McDaniels (Tor)
out - Russell, Hachimura, Reaves, 24 1st, 29 1st, 31 1st, 28 1st swap, 30 1st swap

Hawks: in - Hachimura, Reaves, 29 1st, 31 1st, 28 1st swap, 30 1st swap (LA), Boucher, Freeman-Liberty, 24 Det 2nd (Tor)
out - Young, Fernando

Raptors: in - Russell (LA), 24 1st (LA), Fernando (Atl)
out - Boucher, McDaniels, Freeman-Liberty, 24 Det 2nd

This is an all in move for the Lakers to get their 3rd star. Their depth is obviously a challenge, but that's part of the cost to get that star. Atlanta is well positioned for the future, adding 2 starters and substantial draft capital. The Raptors acquire some center depth and move up in this draft as a reward for taking on Russell to facilitate the deal.

[Godaddycurse]

russell is an expiring, why wouldnt hawks just take him on nad keep the 1st themselves

[Jadoogar]

Raptors getting a lot for essentially nothing. Actually, even worse than nothing, Mcdaniels and Boucher are negative assets.

[islandboy53]

russell is an expiring, why wouldnt hawks just take him on nad keep the 1st themselves

The widely reported challenge to the DJM to LA discussions at the deadline was Atlanta's unwillingness to take on Russell. For this proposal I'm assuming they still don't want him, and need a 3rd team to take him on, which Toronto does for an incentive, 31 up to 17.

[Godaddycurse]

russell is an expiring, why wouldnt hawks just take him on nad keep the 1st themselves

The widely reported challenge to the DJM to LA discussions at the deadline was Atlanta's unwillingness to take on Russell. For this proposal I'm assuming they still don't want him, and need a 3rd team to take him on, which Toronto does for an incentive, 31 up to 17.

thats because russell had an extra year left at the time, now he's an expiring. OP might make sense if we are eating russell without sending anything back

[islandboy53]

russell is an expiring, why wouldnt hawks just take him on nad keep the 1st themselves

The widely reported challenge to the DJM to LA discussions at the deadline was Atlanta's unwillingness to take on Russell. For this proposal I'm assuming they still don't want him, and need a 3rd team to take him on, which Toronto does for an incentive, 31 up to 17.

thats because russell had an extra year left at the time, now he's an expiring. OP might make sense if we are eating russell without sending anything back

At the deadline, Atlanta didn't want his potential salary in 24/25. I assume they don't want his actual salary either. Boucher, McDaniels and JFL are needed to make salaries match if Toronto is over the cap, which I'm assuming.

[axeman23]

Significant over-pay by Lakers, because "Laker tax"...

[MessiahUjiri]

Wouldn’t it be cheaper for the Lakers to get Murray?

It’s not like they need Trey to be that ball dominant in LA. They need a secondary star and backcourt defense.

[jbk1234]

The widely reported challenge to the DJM to LA discussions at the deadline was Atlanta's unwillingness to take on Russell. For this proposal I'm assuming they still don't want him, and need a 3rd team to take him on, which Toronto does for an incentive, 31 up to 17.

thats because russell had an extra year left at the time, now he's an expiring. OP might make sense if we are eating russell without sending anything back

At the deadline, Atlanta didn't want his potential salary in 24/25. I assume they don't want his actual salary either. Boucher, McDaniels and JFL are needed to make salaries match if Toronto is over the cap, which I'm assuming.

If Russell opts in, and I'm not sure he will, then teams like the Magic or Pistons will eat the entirety of his contract for that pick (maybe less). The Nets will swap DFS for him if that pick is attached. If Young is in out the out box, the Hawks will take Dlo back if that pick is attached and use him as a sixth man or trade him later.

The idea that the Lakers will pay a first is to swap an expiring Dlo for worse players just isn't realistic.

[islandboy53]

thats because russell had an extra year left at the time, now he's an expiring. OP might make sense if we are eating russell without sending anything back

At the deadline, Atlanta didn't want his potential salary in 24/25. I assume they don't want his actual salary either. Boucher, McDaniels and JFL are needed to make salaries match if Toronto is over the cap, which I'm assuming.

If Russell opts in, and I'm not sure he will, then teams like the Magic or Pistons will eat the entirety of his contract for that pick (maybe less). The Nets will swap DFS for him if that pick is attached. If Young is in out the out box, the Hawks will take Dlo back if that pick is attached and use him as a sixth man or trade him later.

The idea that the Lakers will pay a first is to swap an expiring Dlo for worse players just isn't realistic.

I agree Russell is more likely than not to opt out, but this is premised on him opting in, so we'll stick with that assumption. The trade is about LA getting Young, not getting off Russell. Could Orlando or Detroit be the third team taking Russell? Sure, but both are over the cap this salary year, so they would have to send out matching salary in a draft weekend trade. And maybe Atlanta overcomes it's objection to Russell, but they are getting draft compensation this year, #31 from Toronto, so they don't need to.

[Godaddycurse]

At the deadline, Atlanta didn't want his potential salary in 24/25. I assume they don't want his actual salary either. Boucher, McDaniels and JFL are needed to make salaries match if Toronto is over the cap, which I'm assuming.

If Russell opts in, and I'm not sure he will, then teams like the Magic or Pistons will eat the entirety of his contract for that pick (maybe less). The Nets will swap DFS for him if that pick is attached. If Young is in out the out box, the Hawks will take Dlo back if that pick is attached and use him as a sixth man or trade him later.

The idea that the Lakers will pay a first is to swap an expiring Dlo for worse players just isn't realistic.

I agree Russell is more likely than not to opt out, but this is premised on him opting in, so we'll stick with that assumption. The trade is about LA getting Young, not getting off Russell. Could Orlando or Detroit be the third team taking Russell? Sure, but both are over the cap this salary year, so they would have to send out matching salary in a draft weekend trade. And maybe Atlanta overcomes it's objection to Russell, but they are getting draft compensation this year, #31 from Toronto, so they don't need to.

Wait why does it have to be this salary year?

[Mamba4Goat]

Significant over-pay by Lakers, because "Laker tax"...

If you think this is an overpay you should go review some past superstar trades and watch some Trae Young film. His publicly perceived value seems to have been thrown in the dumps mostly because everyone wants him on the Lakers and they’re very restricted with what they can offer, especially if Reaves isn’t put on the table.

[jbk1234]

At the deadline, Atlanta didn't want his potential salary in 24/25. I assume they don't want his actual salary either. Boucher, McDaniels and JFL are needed to make salaries match if Toronto is over the cap, which I'm assuming.

If Russell opts in, and I'm not sure he will, then teams like the Magic or Pistons will eat the entirety of his contract for that pick (maybe less). The Nets will swap DFS for him if that pick is attached. If Young is in out the out box, the Hawks will take Dlo back if that pick is attached and use him as a sixth man or trade him later.

The idea that the Lakers will pay a first is to swap an expiring Dlo for worse players just isn't realistic.

I agree Russell is more likely than not to opt out, but this is premised on him opting in, so we'll stick with that assumption. The trade is about LA getting Young, not getting off Russell. Could Orlando or Detroit be the third team taking Russell? Sure, but both are over the cap this salary year, so they would have to send out matching salary in a draft weekend trade. And maybe Atlanta overcomes it's objection to Russell, but they are getting draft compensation this year, #31 from Toronto, so they don't need to.

I'm pretty sure the Pistons have the most available cap space of any team this summer and the Magic have more than enough space to eat Dlo's deal. You're just wrong there.

If you mean making the trade before the draft, the Lakers cannot include their pick before the draft.

[Colbinii]

Why is Toronto here?

I have Dlo as a neutral at worst, maybe slightly positive value at his cap hit in 2024-2025. Teams like Orlando or New Orleans should be willing to part with some minor asset(s) to acquire Dlo.

[Wolveswin]

Lakers do not have assets to get Trae Young. Not close really. AD isn’t being traded for him - remaining assets are laughable for Trae.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, Toronto’s part being so random and unnecessary sort of distracts from LAL getting a great deal..

Atlanta can do better than this for Trae, even if it’s only one more future first.

[kds92]

Lakers do not have assets to get Trae Young. Not close really. AD isn’t being traded for him - remaining assets are laughable for Trae.

Certainly some other teams can offer more, but Reaves + 3 first + 3 swaps is a decent baseline offer. We're talking about a borderline top 20 player in the NBA - not a top 10 guy

[Wolveswin]

Lakers do not have assets to get Trae Young. Not close really. AD isn’t being traded for him - remaining assets are laughable for Trae.

Certainly some other teams can offer more, but Reaves + 3 first + 3 swaps is a decent baseline offer. We're talking about a borderline top 20 player in the NBA - not a top 10 guy

Oh, the old quantity argument. And ignoring not all draft picks are created equal.

A) Hawks aren’t rebuilding. Waiting around until 2029 and 2031 before any of those 1sts can happen - not a good look for a non-rebuilding team trading franchise player.

B) 2024 Lakers 1st is meh. Some posters around here rather have a lotto protected 2025 1st than what is available at #17.

C) Trae is young in LA with AD. They will attract stars, making the swaps almost pointless.

Hawks aren’t in the business of helping Lakers just because. Hawks would need a shiny object for Trae. A high upside youth, picks that aren’t 6x drafts away, and something more marketable to sell fan base why they traded a non-asking out Trae. Random Lakers’ stuff just isn’t it. Not close really.

[kds92]

Lakers do not have assets to get Trae Young. Not close really. AD isn’t being traded for him - remaining assets are laughable for Trae.

Certainly some other teams can offer more, but Reaves + 3 first + 3 swaps is a decent baseline offer. We're talking about a borderline top 20 player in the NBA - not a top 10 guy

Oh, the old quantity argument. And ignoring not all draft picks are created equal.

A) Hawks aren’t rebuilding. Waiting around until 2029 and 2031 before any of those 1sts can happen - not a good look for a non-rebuilding team trading franchise player.

B) 2024 Lakers 1st is meh. Some posters around here rather have a lotto protected 2025 1st than what is available at #17.

C) Trae is young in LA with AD. They will attract stars, making the swaps almost pointless.

Hawks aren’t in the business of helping Lakers just because. Hawks would need a shiny object for Trae. A high upside youth, picks that aren’t 6x drafts away, and something more marketable to sell fan base why they traded a non-asking out Trae. Random Lakers’ stuff just isn’t it. Not close really.

What kind of offer do you think lands Trae then?

[axeman23]

Significant over-pay by Lakers, because "Laker tax"...

If you think this is an overpay you should go review some past superstar trades and watch some Trae Young film. His publicly perceived value seems to have been thrown in the dumps mostly because everyone wants him on the Lakers and they’re very restricted with what they can offer, especially if Reaves isn’t put on the table.

Ok, well first of all, I don't consider Trae a "superstar", so we should probably get that out there that we're coming from different perspectives... Secondly, if you consider Trae an OFFENSIVE superstar, which is much more reasonable, AR plays both ways, not just offense. Thirdly, I wouldn't hand another team my draft for 4 years post-Lebron, and fourthly, it isn't just the Atlanta leg. As even Toronto fans have mentioned, Toronto seems to be in the deal to steal value..