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Just trying something probably terrible. Think I missed.

Utah: Kessler, Collins, 10th, 2025 Cleveland first, stack of seconds
Utah: Allen, Niang, 20th

Utah wants to win now. So they add a great center to pair with Lauri. Locked up on a nice contract for another season. Probably another great candidate for renegotiate and extend if you don’t add a true max with Lauri.

Cleveland: Allen, Niang, 20th
Cleveland: Kessler, Grant, 10th

Whatever happens with the guards, this gives Cleveland a good four big rotation with some flexibility. Kessler locked up cheap for two years while you decide if Mobley is a full time center or not. Grant locked up long term is a plus given the pick debt I think?

Portland: Grant
Portland: Collins, 2025 Cleveland first, a stack of seconds

Portland gets a first and seconds for Grant. Collins can probably make some easy offense for Scoot, even if it hurts more on the other end and helps the tank.

I'd personally love to see Kessler in Portland.... Not sure how to do that with this framework.

This trade feels like Utah is getting too good of a deal, and Cleveland is getting ripped off. Value for Portland is fair.

tester551 wrote:I'd personally love to see Kessler in Portland.... Not sure how to do that with this framework.

This trade feels like Utah is getting too good of a deal, and Cleveland is getting ripped off. Value for Portland is fair.

Yeah, I added 20th at last second. But probably shouldn’t have.

But maybe it needs another asset to Cleveland on top of that. Or maybe it’s terrible in general.

I can't see the Cavs doing anything this big ahead of draft day. Mitchell isn't extended and we don't have a coach. If Mitchell declines to extend, that Cavs 1st looks very different. If Mitchell does extend, adding Grant to the books seems questionable before we've made a decision on Garland.

If the rumored Pels/Hawks trade comes to fruition, maybe this is as good as it gets for the Cavs. But maybe Haterstein and Claxton both re-sign with their teams and OKC beats this offer.

Basically, Allen should be the last dominoe to fall assuming he's moved, not the first.

Ehh, this is pretty interesting actually, but I think we could only do this if we got a great PG too to feed Markkanen and Allen.

jayjaysee wrote:Just trying something probably terrible. Think I missed.

Utah: Kessler, Collins, 10th, 2025 Cleveland first, stack of seconds
Utah: Allen, Niang, 20th

Utah wants to win now. So they add a great center to pair with Lauri. Locked up on a nice contract for another season. Probably another great candidate for renegotiate and extend if you don’t add a true max with Lauri.

Cleveland: Allen, Niang, 20th
Cleveland: Kessler, Grant, 10th

Whatever happens with the guards, this gives Cleveland a good four big rotation with some flexibility. Kessler locked up cheap for two years while you decide if Mobley is a full time center or not. Grant locked up long term is a plus given the pick debt I think?

Portland: Grant
Portland: Collins, 2025 Cleveland first, a stack of seconds

Portland gets a first and seconds for Grant. Collins can probably make some easy offense for Scoot, even if it hurts more on the other end and helps the tank.

What happens if you swap out Cleveland and instead had Mitchell from NYK? Somehow saving NYK some money along the way to resign their FAs.

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Ehh, this is pretty interesting actually, but I think we could only do this if we got a great PG too to feed Markkanen and Allen.

Yeah, I agree but think you could get a decent - not great PG pretty painlessly and still hold on to the high variance picks for if a true star does become available in 12-18 months.

This isn’t an all in move for Utah, just another step in that direction..

louc1970 wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Just trying something probably terrible. Think I missed.

Utah: Kessler, Collins, 10th, 2025 Cleveland first, stack of seconds
Utah: Allen, Niang, 20th

Utah wants to win now. So they add a great center to pair with Lauri. Locked up on a nice contract for another season. Probably another great candidate for renegotiate and extend if you don’t add a true max with Lauri.

Cleveland: Allen, Niang, 20th
Cleveland: Kessler, Grant, 10th

Whatever happens with the guards, this gives Cleveland a good four big rotation with some flexibility. Kessler locked up cheap for two years while you decide if Mobley is a full time center or not. Grant locked up long term is a plus given the pick debt I think?

Portland: Grant
Portland: Collins, 2025 Cleveland first, a stack of seconds

Portland gets a first and seconds for Grant. Collins can probably make some easy offense for Scoot, even if it hurts more on the other end and helps the tank.

What happens if you swap out Cleveland and instead had Mitchell from NYK? Somehow saving NYK some money along the way to resign their FAs.

I’m guessing Utah wouldn’t pay to turn Kessler into Robinson. They’d just go for free agency IMO.

Robinson comes with an amazing contract, but a lot of risk.

louc1970 wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Just trying something probably terrible. Think I missed.

Utah: Kessler, Collins, 10th, 2025 Cleveland first, stack of seconds
Utah: Allen, Niang, 20th

Utah wants to win now. So they add a great center to pair with Lauri. Locked up on a nice contract for another season. Probably another great candidate for renegotiate and extend if you don’t add a true max with Lauri.

Cleveland: Allen, Niang, 20th
Cleveland: Kessler, Grant, 10th

Whatever happens with the guards, this gives Cleveland a good four big rotation with some flexibility. Kessler locked up cheap for two years while you decide if Mobley is a full time center or not. Grant locked up long term is a plus given the pick debt I think?

Portland: Grant
Portland: Collins, 2025 Cleveland first, a stack of seconds

Portland gets a first and seconds for Grant. Collins can probably make some easy offense for Scoot, even if it hurts more on the other end and helps the tank.

What happens if you swap out Cleveland and instead had Mitchell from NYK? Somehow saving NYK some money along the way to resign their FAs.

I would want a pick or two from New York to turn Robinson into Kessler. Kessler is just as good, younger, cheaper, and more durable.

I think this trade is wrong for us directionally, but the value is - at worst - good.

I actually like this for the Jazz.

Pass for POR.

That’s a pretty big downgrade for little compensation.

JRoy wrote:Pass for POR.

That’s a pretty big downgrade for little compensation.

I think maybe you could get #20 [instead of a stack of 2nds.

I like this for Cleveland as well but feel like it’s a bit short and should be getting the stack of seconds. I think Grant pairs well with Mobley and could potentially start Kessler and Grant.

Pretty easy pass for me as a jazz fan. Not the direction we should be going and I expect Kessler to have a strong bounce back year.

I guess value wise it's ok for Utah but it's the totally wrong direction. I can't see them giving up assets, including Kessler, for Allen who is a good player but certainly not a needle raiser. What's the point when they don't have anyone that even projects to be a #1 on their roster.

mg wrote:I guess value wise it's ok for Utah but it's the totally wrong direction. I can't see them giving up assets, including Kessler, for Allen who is a good player but certainly not a needle raiser. What's the point when they don't have anyone that even projects to be a #1 on their roster.

Kessler was bad last season. Allen was really good, especially in the playoffs before the Wagner brothers splintered his rib.

jbk1234 wrote:

mg wrote:I guess value wise it's ok for Utah but it's the totally wrong direction. I can't see them giving up assets, including Kessler, for Allen who is a good player but certainly not a needle raiser. What's the point when they don't have anyone that even projects to be a #1 on their roster.

Kessler was bad last season. Allen was really good, especially in the playoffs before the Wagner brothers splintered his rib.

I like Allen fine but what does he do for Utah. Maybe they are #10 in the WC instead of #11?

Hopefully Ainge/Ryan Smith will realize the only way for the Jazz to make any real headway is to "tank" for the next 2 drafts. Unless Giannis magically wants to come here there's no other logical path to compete with the OKC's and Spurs long term in the WC.

I look at it as consolidating assets. Allen is a good player who should have good trade value moving forward. I think he is better now than I project Kesslers ceiling. Yes we give up some draft capital, but moving out of this draft is something I'd like to accomplish and that 25 Cle puck looks to be a low one.

I think this brings a bunch of separate assets and combines their value into one easy to move piece. That's why I like it. It's not so much about a team direction to me as it is about consolidation.

jazzfan1971 wrote:I look at it as consolidating assets. Allen is a good player who should have good trade value moving forward. I think he is better now than I project Kesslers ceiling. Yes we give up some draft capital, but moving out of this draft is something I'd like to accomplish and that 25 Cle puck looks to be a low one.

I think this brings a bunch of separate assets and combines their value into one easy to move piece. That's why I like it. It's not so much about a team direction to me as it is about consolidation.

I get it and assuming that's why Ainge traded for Collins last summer. I just don't agree with this approach. Let's say they make this type of deal, and then next season for the 3rd year in a row, they are sitting as a fringe play in team. Does Ainge again at the deadline trade his players including possibly Allen just to end up with the #9-10 pick when potential franchise players like Flagg could be available? It just seems like a never ending treadmill...