Josh Giddey market

[rambo_ortega]

What's his value around the league? I think he is an odd piece in OKC and could use him to trade for a banger or rim protector for the interior.


Wolves for Reid (doubt because he is a fan favorite)
- Conley is getting old and a PG who can do it all and distribute the ball to Ant and KAT efficiently would be perfect
- Reid is ready to start in the NBA and OKC would be the perfect place to do so

MIN - Giddey/Ant/McDaniels/KAT/Gobert
OKC - Shai/Dort/JDub/Reid/Chet

Utah for Collins
- Jazz get a tall international style PG
- Thunder get an athletic PF

UTH - Giddey/Sexton/Markannen/Hendricks/Kessler
OKC - Shai/Dort/JDub/Collins/Chet

Pelicans S&T for JV
- Pelicans get a PG who can really organize their offense
- Thunder get a perfect banger to compliment Chet

NOP - Giddey/CJ/Jones/Ingram/Zion
OKC - Shai/Dort/JDub/Chet/JV

Pistons for Stewart
- Cade gets to play as a SF
- OKC gets a banger who can also stretch the floor

DET - Giddey/Ivery/Cade/Thompson/Duren
OKC - Shai/Dort/JDub/Stewart/Chet

Spurs for Sochan
- Giddey playing P&R with Wemby will be very fitting
- Sochan skills in a PF's body will fit well with the Thunder

SAS - Giddey/Vassell/Johnson/Wemby/Collins
OKC - Shai/Dort/JDub/Sochan/Chet

[Godaddycurse]

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[Colbinii]

Reid isn't just a fan favorite and I doubt the Timberwolves Management would care about that. Reid is just a better player than Giddey and when the Timberwolves are a Top 3-4 team in the NBA, they aren't going to downgrade win-now talent.

[jayjaysee]

The valuations in OP hit neutral, negative, positive. It’s pretty interesting.

I think Naz is close on value, but Minnesota should want more value IMO.

I think he should end up on a true rebuilding team and get to be more of a focal point. I don’t know what team that is though. Washington with Kuzma going out seems the best bet. But don’t like Kuzma in OKC as much as others.

Or join a contender as a 6th man and hope he bulks into a point forward over a year or two..

Don’t think it’s been done, but Golden State? Does Podz/Giddey/Kuminga/TJD work as a youth movement?

[mademan]

Reid isn't just a fan favorite and I doubt the Timberwolves Management would care about that. Reid is just a better player than Giddey and when the Timberwolves are a Top 3-4 team in the NBA, they aren't going to downgrade win-now talent.

I dont know about that. I feel like the narrative has taken over and people forget that Giddey is still a really good young player, awkward fit and all. It's not at all obvious to me that Reid is a better player, and i dont think the numbers are clear on that either. Take into account contract control (one being UFA and the other RFA), and i'd be pretty comfortable in saying that Giddey is worth more than Reid, in a vacuum.

Now i dont think Giddey is a good fit on a team with Gobert either, but i am pretty bullish on his jump shot improving to respectable levels and think he'd be a terrific long term fit with Edwards and Towns

[Colbinii]

Reid isn't just a fan favorite and I doubt the Timberwolves Management would care about that. Reid is just a better player than Giddey and when the Timberwolves are a Top 3-4 team in the NBA, they aren't going to downgrade win-now talent.

I dont know about that. I feel like the narrative has taken over and people forget that Giddey is still a really good young player, awkward fit and all. It's not at all obvious to me that Reid is a better player, and i dont think the numbers are clear on that either. Take into account contract control (one being UFA and the other RFA), and i'd be pretty comfortable in saying that Giddey is worth more than Reid, in a vacuum.

Now i dont think Giddey is a good fit on a team with Gobert either, but i am pretty bullish on his jump shot improving to respectable levels and think he'd be a terrific long term fit with Edwards and Towns

Don't talk to me about narrative. I've been **** on Giddey for years.

You aren't addressing any of my points. Reid is very clearly a better player now for a playoff, win-now team. That isn't up for debate. Timberwolves are a Top 5 team heading into 2024-2025 and downgrading is not something they want to do.

[Texas Chuck]

I feel like the narrative has taken over and people forget that Giddey is still a really good young player,

yeah no point in speaking to him vs Naz, but in general this.

Dallas had a plan to expose him, and they did. But just the round before he was really good. And he started all season for the top seed, had started every game of his career before the Dallas series and his grand weakness is shooting 34% from 3 (37% from corners). Like his shooting isn't good, and its too inconsistent, but its also way too soon to conclude he'll never shoot.

And it ignores all the other stuff he already does well, particularly his secondary playmaking with great size.

Now his contract status definitely hurts his value, but it doesn't completely kill it. No chance he's deal for John Collins or just given to the Pelicans for free when they don't need to include him to sign JV if they wanted.

If I was a non-contending team needing a playmaker(primary or secondary) and OKC wanted to get value because they don't want to pay his next contract(and Presti definitely believes in pushing assets forward rather than losing them) I'd definitely be interested.

[TGW]

Giddey's value is similar to Ben Simmons pre-extension. On a rookie scale contract, you don't mind him because he's a pretty good (but limited) player that can contribute to wins. An extended Giddey taking up a chunk of cap is a bad investment.

[mademan]

Reid isn't just a fan favorite and I doubt the Timberwolves Management would care about that. Reid is just a better player than Giddey and when the Timberwolves are a Top 3-4 team in the NBA, they aren't going to downgrade win-now talent.

I dont know about that. I feel like the narrative has taken over and people forget that Giddey is still a really good young player, awkward fit and all. It's not at all obvious to me that Reid is a better player, and i dont think the numbers are clear on that either. Take into account contract control (one being UFA and the other RFA), and i'd be pretty comfortable in saying that Giddey is worth more than Reid, in a vacuum.

Now i dont think Giddey is a good fit on a team with Gobert either, but i am pretty bullish on his jump shot improving to respectable levels and think he'd be a terrific long term fit with Edwards and Towns

Don't talk to me about narrative. I've been **** on Giddey for years.

You aren't addressing any of my points. Reid is very clearly a better player now for a playoff, win-now team. That isn't up for debate. Timberwolves are a Top 5 team heading into 2024-2025 and downgrading is not something they want to do.

Again, not clear to me. And it's not clear in the numbers either. It's very difficult to show empirically that Naz Reid is a better player or has more current on court value than Giddey

[OxAndFox]

Someone will end up with a relatively cheap investment with Giddey. He's still only 21, but he is one of those players that needs to be in the right situation. Yeah, everyone does to some degree, however he really does need the ball in his hands and with PG being the easiest position to fill right now, its hard to put him there.

If the Hawks blow it up and trade all of their vets I could see Giddey/Johnson/Sarr/Okongwu and whatever they get for Trae/DJM being a decent restart.
Would OKC do Capela/Pick(s) for Giddey?
DJM for Cam Thomas/Pick(s)
Trae for Taylor Hendricks/Walker Kessler/Pick(s)

Giddey/Thomas/Johnson/Hendricks/Okongwu
Bench of Griffin/Bufkin/Sarr/Kessler/Gueye

Plus whatever Bogs/Hunter nets you.

[Texas Chuck]

Giddey's value is similar to Ben Simmons pre-extension. On a rookie scale contract, you don't mind him because he's a pretty good (but limited) player that can contribute to wins. An extended Giddey taking up a chunk of cap is a bad investment.

All players get less valuable as their contracts increase save legit max guys where it just doesn't matter. But these guys are completely different players other than being tall Australians who are not known for their shooting. Feels like an intentional choice with all of Simmons baggage to put weight on Giddey that doesn't belong.

I'd disregard that comp altogether.

[mademan]

Giddey's value is similar to Ben Simmons pre-extension. On a rookie scale contract, you don't mind him because he's a pretty good (but limited) player that can contribute to wins. An extended Giddey taking up a chunk of cap is a bad investment.

This is the narrative getting crazy with Giddey. He's not a non-shooter like Simmons and he's actually pretty respectable from certain spots on the floor. And if FT% is any indication, he has decent upside as a spacer long term

[jayjaysee]

I’d still offer THJ, Prosper, 2025 top 3 protected, 2025 Toronto second. And know I’m getting outbid.

If the first doesn’t convey, you can give Presti a 2026 swap. Or maybe it has to be unprotected? Doesn’t really matter. Think I’m buying into realgm valuation a bit.

[Texas Chuck]

I’d still offer THJ, Prosper, 2025 top 3 protected, 2025 Toronto second. And know I’m getting outbid.

If the first doesn’t convey, you can give Presti a 2026 swap. Or maybe it has to be unprotected? Doesn’t really matter. Think I’m buying into realgm valuation a bit.

Yeah I think you probably just unprotect it and hope Luka doesn't tear an acl. I'm with you if others are talking themselves out of him for reasons that don't match his actual play/season, then bring him to Dallas.

[TGW]

Giddey's value is similar to Ben Simmons pre-extension. On a rookie scale contract, you don't mind him because he's a pretty good (but limited) player that can contribute to wins. An extended Giddey taking up a chunk of cap is a bad investment.

All players get less valuable as their contracts increase save legit max guys where it just doesn't matter. But these guys are completely different players other than being tall Australians who are not known for their shooting. Feels like an intentional choice with all of Simmons baggage to put weight on Giddey that doesn't belong.

I'd disregard that comp altogether.

The comparison is intentional because it's appropriate. Personally I liked Simmons before he joined the Nets...I thought he was a helluva player. Despite what you think, there's no ulterior motive behind the comp other than I think the value is similar (not the players themselves, the value).

And honeslty, I could care less about both players so I don't know what you're trying to insinuate.

[Texas Chuck]

its just a bad comparison man. Giddey unlikely to get a max, Giddey unlikely to have back/mental health issues that cause him to miss seasons, Giddey doesn't shoot great, but doesn't shoot terribly and most importantly he takes open shots. He's nowhere near the defender Simmons is.

Again all young players that get paid with the exception of your SGA/Luka types get less valuable. So citing specifically one player only superficially relevant who turned into one of the worst contracts in the league is misleading. Intentional or not.

[jayjaysee]

Ben with his broken shot was worth a max..

Giddey with a not broken shot is not worth a max..

[Euphonetiks]

Someone will end up with a relatively cheap investment with Giddey. He's still only 21, but he is one of those players that needs to be in the right situation. Yeah, everyone does to some degree, however he really does need the ball in his hands and with PG being the easiest position to fill right now, its hard to put him there.

No team is giving Giddey the keys to their offense. His problem is that he's simply not good enough to be a ball dominant guard. He also doesn't space or defend well enough to contribute off ball. he's been a positive in OKC, so they should just keep him. I don't believe he is going to fit better elswhere and I cannot see them getting mich value for him.

[Texas Chuck]

Someone will end up with a relatively cheap investment with Giddey. He's still only 21, but he is one of those players that needs to be in the right situation. Yeah, everyone does to some degree, however he really does need the ball in his hands and with PG being the easiest position to fill right now, its hard to put him there.

No team is giving Giddey the keys to their offense. His problem is that he's simply not good enough to be a ball dominant guard. He also doesn't space or defend well enough to contribute off ball. he's been a positive in OKC, so they should just keep him. I don't believe he is going to fit better elswhere.

You don't have to give him the keys to the offense while putting the ball in his hands a lot more. He can take all the minutes with the 2nd unit and then you find teams whose best offensive players are good off ball.

Warriors, he takes all the non-Draymond minutes and then plays PF with Draymond at C in some small lineups. If you could do that offensively with Iggy, you can certainly do it with Giddey.

Phoenix could use him. Nets could use him. Wolves could use him as the Conley replacement. Spurs, Rockets.

And that's just on paper easy fits. I'd take him in Dallas where he makes very little sense on paper. But Dallas was great playing two ball dominant guards in Luka and Brunson with a 3rd PG in Dinwiddie. Kyrie is much better off ball than Brunson so easy add for me.

[jbk1234]

Giddey's value is similar to Ben Simmons pre-extension. On a rookie scale contract, you don't mind him because he's a pretty good (but limited) player that can contribute to wins. An extended Giddey taking up a chunk of cap is a bad investment.

Wut? Simmons was considered an elite defender prior to his extension and when healthy, the Nets were a considerably better defensive team with Simmons on the floor.

I see Giddey's absolute ceiling as S. Livingston. A tall backup PG who can see over opposing defenses and passes well. That's not nothing, but I don't see how he starts on a good team. He's already on a team that has plus defenders at the other 4 positions. There's a good chance he looks worse, not better starting as a PG on another team.