Towns for Cade Cunningham with Hawks

[Wolveswin]

Let’s assume Pistons really want to win more now.

Hawks Trade:
Murray + Hunter + 2025 Kings 1st
FOR
Ausar Thompson + Moore Jr
Why= trade Murray (not Trae), move on from Hunter and his contract, flyer on Thompson defensive SG next to Trae and like 36M in cap savings. I am assuming Ausar still has > value than Murray as high draft pick, but meh rookie season in Detroit.
Okongwu | Capela | Sarr
Sarr | JJ
Jalen Johnson | Bey | Ausar
Ausar | Griffin | Moore Jr
Trae | Bufkin

Wolves Trade:
Towns + Moore Jr.
FOR
Cade Cunningham + Stewart
Why= turn Towns into Cade, PG needed, core fitting next to Edwards. 23M in cap savings.
Gobert | Stewart | Reid
Reid (now starter) | Anderson (now retained)
McDaniels | Anderson | NAW
Edwards | NAW
Cade | Conley

Pistons Trade:
Cade + Ausar + Stewart
FOR
Towns + Murray + Hunter + 2025 Kings 1st
Why= much better roster that should produce winning culture.
Duren | Towns
Towns | Hunter
Hunter or #5 (Buzelis or Holland or Knecht) | TBJ
Ivey or Grimes
Murray | Sasser

***If Pistons like Ausar more than player at #5, we can make that work, with #5 going to Hawks who select SG of choice next to Trae.

[vege]

The asking price for Murray was Ausar and Ivey, after that Murray had a great season, the asking price should be higher.

KAT doesn't have that kind of value on his current contract, and he is what I call a loser (he is talented but I can't stand him). You don't land a recent #1 pick still on his rookie deal for him, aim a lot lower for KAT.

Detroit doesn't touch this. As far as we know, Cade and Ausar are the keepers, the rest is probably going to be traded (Ivey/Duren/possibly #5/maybe Stew but with his PPP contract it's unlikely.

So, it's bad for Atlanta (even if they're dumping Hunter's contract) and bad for Detroit, and way too good for Minny.

[Wolveswin]

KAT doesn't have that kind of value on his current contract, and he is what I call a loser (he is talented but I can't stand him). You don't land a recent #1 pick still on his rookie deal for him, aim a lot lower for KAT.

How is Kat a “loser” and he literally this was Wolves’ 2nd best player leading Wolves to WCF, integral player in beating defending champs, for one of Wolves most successful seasons as a franchise? I can’t wrap my head around that…

I mean, Cade is from the Pistons. Since loser is your word, I won’t spend the next paragraph quoting his team’s record over the years as PG and floor general.

Very strange evaluation and word “loser” for Kat but not applied to actual loser in Cade.

maybe Stew but with his PPP contract it's unlikely.

Oh, and Stew doesn’t have a PPP.

[zeebneeb]

Another person trying to undervalue Pistons players.

Cade for any of that is to much, let alone throwing in Ausar and Stewart. Some of us Piston fans know what we got in Cade, and are hoping this front office can actually put the right pieces around him.

[Godaddycurse]

KAT doesn't have that kind of value on his current contract, and he is what I call a loser (he is talented but I can't stand him). You don't land a recent #1 pick still on his rookie deal for him, aim a lot lower for KAT.

How is Kat a “loser” and he literally this was Wolves’ 2nd best player leading Wolves to WCF, integral player in beating defending champs, for one of Wolves most successful seasons as a franchise? I can’t wrap my head around that…

I mean, Cade is from the Pistons. Since loser is your word, I won’t spend the next paragraph quoting his team’s record over the years as PG and floor general.

Very strange evaluation and word “loser” for Kat but not applied to actual loser in Cade.

maybe Stew but with his PPP contract it's unlikely.

Oh, and Stew doesn’t have a PPP.

3rd best after Ant and Gobert

[Wolveswin]

KAT doesn't have that kind of value on his current contract, and he is what I call a loser (he is talented but I can't stand him). You don't land a recent #1 pick still on his rookie deal for him, aim a lot lower for KAT.

How is Kat a “loser” and he literally this was Wolves’ 2nd best player leading Wolves to WCF, integral player in beating defending champs, for one of Wolves most successful seasons as a franchise? I can’t wrap my head around that…

I mean, Cade is from the Pistons. Since loser is your word, I won’t spend the next paragraph quoting his team’s record over the years as PG and floor general.

Very strange evaluation and word “loser” for Kat but not applied to actual loser in Cade.

maybe Stew but with his PPP contract it's unlikely.

Oh, and Stew doesn’t have a PPP.

3rd best after Ant and Gobert

Mmmm k. I mean not the main point of that post - but see you working here.

[Wolveswin]

Another person trying to undervalue Pistons players.

Cade for any of that is to much, let alone throwing in Ausar and Stewart. Some of us Piston fans know what we got in Cade, and are hoping this front office can actually put the right pieces around him.

Undervalue. Or right value.

Towns and Cade are close in value. Cade on the better contract for at least one season, but I don’t think under value is fully correct word when swapping very similar valued players.

And in OP said Ausar is more than Murray. Hence addition of the 1st.

Should Pistons pot be sweetened a little? Sure I think that is fair when discussing equal value.

[DetroitDon15]

I’d be open as a Pistons fan if Detroit wanted to add Towns. The issue is trading Cade for him. If the price is Cade, I’d simply pass. If you’re adding a key piece who is about to turn 29, you need another star player next to him. I’d be ok teaming Cade, Towns and Thompson. It’s the only way it make sense. KAT for Cade doesn’t make the Pistons a playoff team. This type of addition is an all in move which needs to push the Pistons to be a playoff team.

[LightTheBeam]

What is the point for Detroit? Cade still has high potential. But that team you put together is fighting to hopefully get in the play-ins with limited upside. I don't think Towns fetches Cade.

Also hate this for ATL. I'd value Murray > Thompson, let alone ATL adding value here.

[Wolveswin]

What is the point for Detroit? Cade still has high potential. But that team you put together is fighting to hopefully get in the play-ins with limited upside. I don't think Towns fetches Cade.

Also hate this for ATL. I'd value Murray > Thompson, let alone ATL adding value here.

Point for Detroit is they need more shooting and players who can help them win. Towns check all those boxes. And it takes Cade to get him (no picks based package won’t work).

That as why this board is so awesome. One poster is insulted because Thompson > Murray…other one is exactly insulted on other side.

[Wolveswin]

I’d be open as a Pistons fan if Detroit wanted to add Towns. The issue is trading Cade for him. If the price is Cade, I’d simply pass. If you’re adding a key piece who is about to turn 29, you need another star player next to him. I’d be ok teaming Cade, Towns and Thompson. It’s the only way it make sense. KAT for Cade doesn’t make the Pistons a playoff team. This type of addition is an all in move which needs to push the Pistons to be a playoff team.

Cade is needed. Pistons may have the value pieces to stack and acquire Towns in a vacuum - but that doesn’t work for Wolves. Cade needs to be going out, so enter Murray…

That is why Hawks are here, they have two guards and seemingly could move one for the likes of Thompson, Pistons backfilling with Murray, Cade going out.

Why not Murray direct to Wolves? Well, you can find about 4x threads worthy of that discussion.

[amcoolio]

Cade is much more valuable than Towns. Towns is close to neutral value because of his contract and age... the Timberwolves would trade him for Thompson and Stewart + whatever matching salaries in a heartbeat if offered. One unprotected pick is about Towns value, some team will gamble on him.

[Wolveswin]

Cade is much more valuable than Towns. Towns is close to neutral value because of his contract and age... the Timberwolves would trade him for Thompson and Stewart + whatever matching salaries in a heartbeat if offered. One unprotected pick is about Towns value, some team will gamble on him.

Hey, to each their own on Cade v. Towns value stack.

But you are way off about Towns value in the league.

Age? Dude is 28. Wow.

Contract is what it is. But buckle in for the new NBA norm. 25 contracts over 40M 24/25 season. Will be double that following season (when extensions handed out and free agency happens). Towns is just hitting contract cycle sooner. Cade will get their - and Pistons hope it’s the Supermax (finally makes all NBA).

[LightTheBeam]

What is the point for Detroit? Cade still has high potential. But that team you put together is fighting to hopefully get in the play-ins with limited upside. I don't think Towns fetches Cade.

Also hate this for ATL. I'd value Murray > Thompson, let alone ATL adding value here.

Point for Detroit is they need more shooting and players who can help them win. Towns check all those boxes. And it takes Cade to get him (no picks based package won’t work).

That as why this board is so awesome. One poster is insulted because Thompson > Murray…other one is exactly insulted on other side.

That's the point. If it takes Cade to get Towns, Detroit should look elsewhere.

I have no issue with them looking to add some good players similar to Houston. In fact I think they should. I'd be offering Ivey, Thompson, and #5 to do so. But Cade wouldn't be getting moved at this point.

[Wolveswin]

What is the point for Detroit? Cade still has high potential. But that team you put together is fighting to hopefully get in the play-ins with limited upside. I don't think Towns fetches Cade.

Also hate this for ATL. I'd value Murray > Thompson, let alone ATL adding value here.

Point for Detroit is they need more shooting and players who can help them win. Towns check all those boxes. And it takes Cade to get him (no picks based package won’t work).

That as why this board is so awesome. One poster is insulted because Thompson > Murray…other one is exactly insulted on other side.

That's the point. If it takes Cade to get Towns, Detroit should look elsewhere.

I have no issue with them looking to add some good players similar to Houston. In fact I think they should. I'd be offering Ivey, Thompson, and #5 to do so. But Cade wouldn't be getting moved at this point.

That is the problem for Pistons (every team). Like two teams would accept a picks based package. Wizards and Blazer - but they have zero inventory in stars.

Who (which team has a star) is accepting Pistons picks/youth package? NBA has 28 teams that want the star for their assets.

[Kalamazoo317]

Wolves aren't getting both cap relief and a star in a trade for Towns. The point of the pick based package would be to get the Wolves a lot of cheaper salaries and potential replacements for some of their vets who'll be due big pay days. If the Wolves want to go star hunting, that's fine, but they'll either be adding assets to Towns or bringing in similar money to what they're sending out.

[Texas Chuck]

Wolves aren't getting both cap relief and a star in a trade for Towns.

They are effectively getting neither here. Cade is a long way from a star and despite that he's likely looking at a max or near max deal. There is some cap relief of course in a rookie max versus Towns' max, but with Stewart that money savings mostly dries up.

Let me be clear so nobody misunderstands--I'm not saying anything about the value in the trade. I'm not commenting on this trade intentionally. Just wanted to speak against the point I quoted.

[Wolveswin]

Wolves aren't getting both cap relief and a star in a trade for Towns.

They are effectively getting neither here. Cade is a long way from a star and despite that he's likely looking at a max or near max deal. There is some cap relief of course in a rookie max versus Towns' max, but with Stewart that money savings mostly dries up.

Let me be clear so nobody misunderstands--I'm not saying anything about the value in the trade. I'm not commenting on this trade intentionally. Just wanted to speak against the point I quoted.

I agree with TC for once.

If Pistons want to keep Stewart (you don’t value a him for Hunter swap) both parties can keep their guy. Wolves can take on all 22M of expiring Capela.

Also agree Pistons could use a little more value. Wolves have #27, but probably not much value (but have it if needed). 2031 and/or swaps could be on the table too depending on final components of trade - meaning Wolves think Cade is last and final missing piece.

[LightTheBeam]

Point for Detroit is they need more shooting and players who can help them win. Towns check all those boxes. And it takes Cade to get him (no picks based package won’t work).

That as why this board is so awesome. One poster is insulted because Thompson > Murray…other one is exactly insulted on other side.

That's the point. If it takes Cade to get Towns, Detroit should look elsewhere.

I have no issue with them looking to add some good players similar to Houston. In fact I think they should. I'd be offering Ivey, Thompson, and #5 to do so. But Cade wouldn't be getting moved at this point.

That is the problem for Pistons (every team). Like two teams would accept a picks based package. Wizards and Blazer - but they have zero inventory in stars.

Who (which team has a star) is accepting Pistons picks/youth package? NBA has 28 teams that want the star for their assets.

I don't buy that. Nor do I think its the only avenue to upgrading.

Hawks, Raptors, Nets, Hornets, Wizards, Pistons, Bulls, Heat, Cavs, Suns, Warriors, Jazz, Kings, Blazers, Pelicans, could all end up being sellers. Nothing is set in stone.

And Detroit has a ton of money to pursue free agents. They can throw around some serious money.

[Wolveswin]

That's the point. If it takes Cade to get Towns, Detroit should look elsewhere.

I have no issue with them looking to add some good players similar to Houston. In fact I think they should. I'd be offering Ivey, Thompson, and #5 to do so. But Cade wouldn't be getting moved at this point.

That is the problem for Pistons (every team). Like two teams would accept a picks based package. Wizards and Blazer - but they have zero inventory in stars.

Who (which team has a star) is accepting Pistons picks/youth package? NBA has 28 teams that want the star for their assets.

I don't buy that. Nor do I think its the only avenue to upgrading.

Hawks, Raptors, Nets, Hornets, Wizards, Pistons, Bulls, Heat, Cavs, Suns, Warriors, Jazz, Kings, Blazers, Pelicans, could all end up being sellers. Nothing is set in stone.

And Detroit has a ton of money to pursue free agents. They can throw around some serious money.

Sure they could be - at trade deadline. Or in offseason, offers will have to be so grossly overpriced to motivate a GM to sell a star and then suck.