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It's 2 sperate deal but written as one

Suns Trade:
Nurkic
Little
#22

Suns Receive:
Holmes
Kispert
#51
Future low quality 2nd

For the Wizards, improve 2 late pick 2nds into 1st rd, Kispert isn't (or at least shouldn't) be in their long term, they take extra money next year.
For the Suns, massive financial savings, Holmes isn't anything special, but he hustles and can switch, I don't see big drop off from Nurk, Kispert is a legit rotation player instead of gambling on a vet min.

I don’t see phx remotely interested. Before nurkic injury at end of season he was playing extremely well. I can see phx looking to upgrade, but not salary dump. If their priority was cutting salary they would not be bringing back Royce Oneal (Nurk is much better then Royce)

I see a huge drop off from Nurk to Holmes. Like I don’t think you can go on a run with Holmes as your center. I think you can get by with Nurk.

It’s also a lot of value loss for a late first for Washington. If phoenix wasn’t so pushed in, I think they do this because it’s such a great value.. I just don’t think they can find a starting center with what they have left after this deal.

I think Little, 22, 2nd for Kispert is interesting though.

If Phoenix is willing to trade the 2031 first for Kessler with Nurk.. now Phoenix saved 15-17 million in tax money and has matching rights on two top 8 rotation guys to keep around Booker for 5-7 years.. that seems really interesting.

Or you can say Phoenix creates a 14 million dollar TPE and can try and take on another rotation piece..

Mavrelous wrote:It's 2 sperate deal but written as one

Suns Trade:
Nurkic
Little
#22

Suns Receive:
Holmes
Kispert
#51
Future low quality 2nd

For the Wizards, improve 2 late pick 2nds into 1st rd, Kispert isn't (or at least shouldn't) be in their long term, they take extra money next year.
For the Suns, massive financial savings, Holmes isn't anything special, but he hustles and can switch, I don't see big drop off from Nurk, Kispert is a legit rotation player instead of gambling on a vet min.

If you are improving 2 late pick 2nds into the 1st round, don't you need the Suns sending another pick? You have 2 late 2nds for a single late 1st. Plus, Kispert was a late lottery 1st and has performed at least as well as expected. He's worth 22 alone. Plus you are sending no value for the cap savings either. As the Wiz don't value Nurkic more than Holmes (considering salary), I think this is a no from Washington pretty easily.

penbeast0 wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:It's 2 sperate deal but written as one

Suns Trade:
Nurkic
Little
#22

Suns Receive:
Holmes
Kispert
#51
Future low quality 2nd

For the Wizards, improve 2 late pick 2nds into 1st rd, Kispert isn't (or at least shouldn't) be in their long term, they take extra money next year.
For the Suns, massive financial savings, Holmes isn't anything special, but he hustles and can switch, I don't see big drop off from Nurk, Kispert is a legit rotation player instead of gambling on a vet min.

If you are improving 2 late pick 2nds into the 1st round, don't you need the Suns sending another pick? You have 2 late 2nds for a single late 1st. Plus, Kispert was a late lottery 1st and has performed at least as well as expected. He's worth 22 alone. Plus you are sending no value for the cap savings either. As the Wiz don't value Nurkic more than Holmes (considering salary), I think this is a no from Washington pretty easily.

I don't have Kispert worth 22 alone, he's expiring, and sub MLE level player.

Mavrelous wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:It's 2 sperate deal but written as one

Suns Trade:
Nurkic
Little
#22

Suns Receive:
Holmes
Kispert
#51
Future low quality 2nd

For the Wizards, improve 2 late pick 2nds into 1st rd, Kispert isn't (or at least shouldn't) be in their long term, they take extra money next year.
For the Suns, massive financial savings, Holmes isn't anything special, but he hustles and can switch, I don't see big drop off from Nurk, Kispert is a legit rotation player instead of gambling on a vet min.

If you are improving 2 late pick 2nds into the 1st round, don't you need the Suns sending another pick? You have 2 late 2nds for a single late 1st. Plus, Kispert was a late lottery 1st and has performed at least as well as expected. He's worth 22 alone. Plus you are sending no value for the cap savings either. As the Wiz don't value Nurkic more than Holmes (considering salary), I think this is a no from Washington pretty easily.

I don't have Kispert worth 22 alone, he's expiring, and sub MLE level player.

I think he will cost the MLE or slightly above.

Kispert is more than just a Garrison Matthews/Sam Hauser tier catch and shoot guy. Those guys have no other offensive game and average 15 points per 36 can on a USG% of 15%. Kispert is an absolutely elite finisher and will make you pay for closing out on him. He is averaging 20 points per 36 minutes on a USG% of 20%. He's more of a third option scorer rather than just a stand-in-the-corner-and-hope-for-an-open-look guy. His comps are guys like Norman Powell and Duncan Robinson. Those guys get MLE money or a bit more. Obviously, his poor defense is what keeps him from being a full time starter.

I'm curious about the purpose of the Nurkic part for Phoenix. Is the idea here to save salary? If so, then Phoenix absolutely needs to compensate Washington for that because Washington has no interest whatsoever in Nurkic. Leave Nurkic and Holmes out of this and the deal is reasonable. (I still wouldn't do it because I like Kispert and I'm expecting the Wizards to extend him.)

nate33 wrote:I think he will cost the MLE or slightly above.

Kispert is more than just a Garrison Matthews/Sam Hauser tier catch and shoot guy. Those guys have no other offensive game and average 15 points per 36 can on a USG% of 15%. Kispert is an absolutely elite finisher and will make you pay for closing out on him. He is averaging 20 points per 36 minutes on a USG% of 20%. He's more of a third option scorer rather than just a stand-in-the-corner-and-hope-for-an-open-look guy. His comps are guys like Norman Powell and Duncan Robinson. Those guys get MLE money or a bit more. Obviously, his poor defense is what keeps him from being a full time starter.

I'm curious about the purpose of the Nurkic part for Phoenix. Is the idea here to save salary? If so, then Phoenix absolutely needs to compensate Washington for that because Washington has no interest whatsoever in Nurkic. Leave Nurkic and Holmes out of this and the deal is reasonable. (I still wouldn't do it because I like Kispert and I'm expecting the Wizards to extend him.)

Hauser/Mathews are vet min guys and have no value, Kispert isn't worth a 1st IMO, he's a younger Doug McDermott at best, Doug was MLE guy all his career.
Yes, the purpose is to save salary, the idea is that Kispert + saved salary equals #22

Mavrelous wrote:

nate33 wrote:I think he will cost the MLE or slightly above.

Kispert is more than just a Garrison Matthews/Sam Hauser tier catch and shoot guy. Those guys have no other offensive game and average 15 points per 36 can on a USG% of 15%. Kispert is an absolutely elite finisher and will make you pay for closing out on him. He is averaging 20 points per 36 minutes on a USG% of 20%. He's more of a third option scorer rather than just a stand-in-the-corner-and-hope-for-an-open-look guy. His comps are guys like Norman Powell and Duncan Robinson. Those guys get MLE money or a bit more. Obviously, his poor defense is what keeps him from being a full time starter.

I'm curious about the purpose of the Nurkic part for Phoenix. Is the idea here to save salary? If so, then Phoenix absolutely needs to compensate Washington for that because Washington has no interest whatsoever in Nurkic. Leave Nurkic and Holmes out of this and the deal is reasonable. (I still wouldn't do it because I like Kispert and I'm expecting the Wizards to extend him.)

Hauser/Mathews are vet min guys and have no value, Kispert isn't worth a 1st IMO, he's a younger Doug McDermott at best, Doug was MLE guy all his career.
Yes, the purpose is to save salary, the idea is that Kispert + saved salary equals #22

If that is Kispert's ceiling then why is phoenix trading their few remaining asset for him? if they bring back o'neale then they have more pressing hole(s) to fill w/ PG and now C after OP

Godaddycurse wrote:If that is Kispert's ceiling then why is phoenix trading their few remaining asset for him? if they bring back o'neale then they have more pressing hole(s) to fill w/ PG and now C after OP

They need depth, I'm not sure what available rotation quality PGs they can target...

I agree, the deal does have many holes in it, doesn't seem like a good idea, will try to exapnd it a bit...

nate33 wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:
If you are improving 2 late pick 2nds into the 1st round, don't you need the Suns sending another pick? You have 2 late 2nds for a single late 1st. Plus, Kispert was a late lottery 1st and has performed at least as well as expected. He's worth 22 alone. Plus you are sending no value for the cap savings either. As the Wiz don't value Nurkic more than Holmes (considering salary), I think this is a no from Washington pretty easily.

I don't have Kispert worth 22 alone, he's expiring, and sub MLE level player.

I think he will cost the MLE or slightly above.

Kispert is more than just a Garrison Matthews/Sam Hauser tier catch and shoot guy. Those guys have no other offensive game and average 15 points per 36 can on a USG% of 15%. Kispert is an absolutely elite finisher and will make you pay for closing out on him. He is averaging 20 points per 36 minutes on a USG% of 20%. He's more of a third option scorer rather than just a stand-in-the-corner-and-hope-for-an-open-look guy. His comps are guys like Norman Powell and Duncan Robinson. Those guys get MLE money or a bit more. Obviously, his poor defense is what keeps him from being a full time starter.

I'm curious about the purpose of the Nurkic part for Phoenix. Is the idea here to save salary? If so, then Phoenix absolutely needs to compensate Washington for that because Washington has no interest whatsoever in Nurkic. Leave Nurkic and Holmes out of this and the deal is reasonable. (I still wouldn't do it because I like Kispert and I'm expecting the Wizards to extend him.)

sorry for the sidetrack, But Hauser's defense is so much better than Kispert, I much rather have Hauser than Kispert. Both are expiring and both under 4 mill. Saying Hauser can't do something because his role is not to do it is wrong, he is also better on the glass.

I see Hauser getting more than Kispert on the open market next summer for sure.

Maybe rerouting Nurk for another pick? Oh and Kispert is well liked by the organization and averaged 16 ppg on 50/40 split after the AS break last season. He isn't chopped liver.

Nurk is a low level starting center. Holmes isn't even a rotation player. Trading your pick to turn him into a bench shooter is fine in terms of value obviously, but doesn't help Phoenix be more competitive.

For Washington they simply take on too much money for too little return. Value is wrong for them.