Ingram to GS, Murray to NOP, Podz to Atlanta?

[jayjaysee]

Just a random bad idea that we probably did before?


GSW: Wiggins, Payton, Podz, 2025 unprotected, 2026 swap
GSW: Ingram

Golden State brings in Ingram to be the second option for a couple years. Kuminga hopefully continues his development. Klay is kept and a center is signed, spending every dollar under the apron. Happy enough ending for Curry.

Atlanta: Murray
Atlanta: Wiggins, Podz, 2025 better of LAL/NOP top 4ish protected (get the other first if the good one moves up in lottery?), 2025 GSW first

Atlanta brings in two nice fits between Trae/Jalen. Upgrade the defense and gets two future firsts in case they want to trade try and upgrade later but think they’re comfortable with this group to start the season. Trim some money out in that Capela/Adams deal or such... Podziemski has 3 years left on his rookie contract and already hustles like a 10 year vet, fun fit with Curry so good fit with Trae?


NOP: Ingram, 2025 better of LAL/NOP top 4ish protected (give the other first if the good one moves up in lottery?)
NOP: Murray, Payton, 2026 GSW swap (NOP owns the better of NOP/Milwaukee)..

New Orleans does the Ingram+ for Murray idea. They pay it by trading first for a swap that two years out and bank against Curry still being dominant in 2 years..

Probably best for some team to chip in “2” seconds and dump Payton into a Washington TPE or Detroit cap space or such. NOP should much prefer the ability to use the MLE and pay Naji. But just do that later..

[dms269]

I don't think Atlanta gambles on Wiggins when they have a cheaper, better offensive, slightly worse defensive option in Hunter at home.

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[Colbinii]

I just don't value an expiring Ingram who is looking for a Max like this.

Just make it a 2-teamer.

I don't think Atlanta gambles on Wiggins when they have a cheaper, better offensive, slightly worse defensive option in Hunter at home.

Also a lower ceiling player who isn't better offensively when Wiggins is locked in.

But, Ingram for Murray just makes a ton of sense for both parties.

[jayjaysee]

I don't think Atlanta gambles on Wiggins when they have a cheaper, better offensive, slightly worse defensive option in Hunter at home.

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I want to disagree that Wiggins is a much much better defensive option and at worst a similar offensive option, but I know that comes with the asterisk of when engaged..

So if Wiggins ended up in Dallas and Atlanta only had to pay THJ? That would save the idea in your mind?

Or Wiggins ended up in Sac and Atlanta got Barnes?

[jayjaysee]

I just don't value an expiring Ingram who is looking for a Max like this.

Just make it a 2-teamer.

I don't think Atlanta gambles on Wiggins when they have a cheaper, better offensive, slightly worse defensive option in Hunter at home.

Also a lower ceiling player who isn't better offensively when Wiggins is locked in.

But, Ingram for Murray just makes a ton of sense for both parties.

I think Ingram is worth what GS gives up for GS?

Ingram isn’t worth a max but Curry is worth giving Ingram a max? There is probably a few stars you call on first before this, but being able to get Curry a second option is worth it considering it doesn’t impact the picks once the eventual rebuild starts..

[JustBuzzin]

Ingram in GSW with Curry and Draymond is exactly what they need. Ingram fits perfectly for them.

This guy was a top 10 scorer just a few years ago. I think he could play that Robin role for Curry.

[giberish]

I still remember Ingram playing for Kerr at the world championship last summer. It wasn't pretty.

[babyjax13]

I think this is pretty bad for Atlanta. Wiggins is a clear negative on that contract and just clutters Atlanta's already super expensive rotation of "meh" starting 2/3s (Bogdanovic, Hunter). Is there enough value here to move his contract? Yah, probably, and Podz seems like a nice fit in Atlanta - but this is just too expensive and limits their flexibility a lot...and if you use the picks to move Wiggins into cap space Atlanta is just moving Murray for a downgrade without adding assets to upgrade the roster elsewhere.

[jayjaysee]

I think this is pretty bad for Atlanta. Wiggins is a clear negative on that contract and just clutters Atlanta's already super expensive rotation of "meh" starting 2/3s (Bogdanovic, Hunter). Is there enough value here to move his contract? Yah, probably, and Podz seems like a nice fit in Atlanta - but this is just too expensive and limits their flexibility a lot...and if you use the picks to move Wiggins into cap space Atlanta is just moving Murray for a downgrade without adding assets to upgrade the roster elsewhere.

So if Wiggins was turned into Maxi and Dallas/Golden State chipped in a second or two to dump THJ on Toronto/Detroit/whoever? Or Chuck’s idea with Hunter to Dallas and Dallas pays to dump whatever salary else where if Atlanta doesn’t want THJ reunion?

Or Barnes to Atlanta with whatever small salary Sac needs to include to turn Barnes into Wiggins with minor incentive.?

I don’t think Wiggins would be seen so negatively though, Atlanta can easily duck the tax with this trade and can decide who to move between Hunter/Bogdan/Wiggins depending on which Wiggins shows up.

[babyjax13]

I think this is pretty bad for Atlanta. Wiggins is a clear negative on that contract and just clutters Atlanta's already super expensive rotation of "meh" starting 2/3s (Bogdanovic, Hunter). Is there enough value here to move his contract? Yah, probably, and Podz seems like a nice fit in Atlanta - but this is just too expensive and limits their flexibility a lot...and if you use the picks to move Wiggins into cap space Atlanta is just moving Murray for a downgrade without adding assets to upgrade the roster elsewhere.

So if Wiggins was turned into Maxi and Dallas/Golden State chipped in a second or two to dump THJ? Or Hunter to Dallas and Dallas pays to dump whatever salary else where?

Or Barnes to Atlanta with whatever small salary Sac needs to include to turn Barnes into Wiggins with minor incentive.?

I don’t think Wiggins would be seen so negatively though, Atlanta can easily duck the tax with this trade and can decide who to move between Hunter/Bogdan/Wiggins depending on which Wiggins shows up..

If they can get expirings for Wiggins maybe that can save the deal. I realize that Dallas fans seem onboard with Wiggins, but I'm not sure the FO would be.

[jayjaysee]

If they can get expirings for Wiggins maybe that can save the deal. I realize that Dallas fans seem onboard with Wiggins, but I'm not sure the FO would be.

Yeah, he’s overpaid but I think teams take the chance on him. Dallas/Sac specifically. But can think of a few other examples that feel realistic.

But I think Atlanta keeps him and would trade Hunter first. Put really good defenders all around Trae/Jalen. Similar to why Dallas fans like the idea of him..

[Geaux_Hawks]

If they can get expirings for Wiggins maybe that can save the deal. I realize that Dallas fans seem onboard with Wiggins, but I'm not sure the FO would be.

Yeah, he’s overpaid but I think teams take the chance on him. Dallas/Sac specifically. But can think of a few other examples that feel realistic.

But I think Atlanta keeps him and would trade Hunter first. Put really good defenders all around Trae/Jalen. Similar to why Dallas fans like the idea of him..

I think using Chuck's idea of sending Hunter to Dallas would suffice. taking on THJ for Dallas assets doesn't sound like a bad idea after thinking about it.

I actually like this overall. The idea of Podz would be very interesting. Refilling the pick stash in '25(Sac, LAL, and GSW) helps makes future moves and gaining cheap, young talent.

[ZionWembanyama]

Prefer to trade McCollum than Ingram.

[dms269]

Prefer to trade McCollum than Ingram.

McCollum likely isn't getting you close to a Murray deal unless some of the good youth is being traded as well.

[jayjaysee]

Prefer to trade McCollum than Ingram.

It is probably very common to want to trade the worse, older player.

And NOP has the value to make it happen. Some fourth team would take CJM.

Just need to pay.

[BadWolf]

I love it for Atlanta. Podz and two.picks? And whatever Wiggins is...
Is this salary neutral for next year or are they taking on a lot of salary?

[ZionWembanyama]

Prefer to trade McCollum than Ingram.

It is probably very common to want to trade the worse, older player.

And NOP has the value to make it happen. Some fourth team would take CJM.

Just need to pay.

Trey Murphy III, Herb Jones, Dyson Daniels and Jordan Hawkins aren't available.

[gswhoops]

Prefer to trade McCollum than Ingram.

It is probably very common to want to trade the worse, older player.

And NOP has the value to make it happen. Some fourth team would take CJM.

Just need to pay.

Trey Murphy III, Herb Jones, Dyson Daniels and Jordan Hawkins aren't available.

You gotta give to get. What are you willing to offer?

[ZionWembanyama]

It is probably very common to want to trade the worse, older player.

And NOP has the value to make it happen. Some fourth team would take CJM.

Just need to pay.

Trey Murphy III, Herb Jones, Dyson Daniels and Jordan Hawkins aren't available.

You gotta give to get. What are you willing to offer?

#21.

[jayjaysee]

Trey Murphy III, Herb Jones, Dyson Daniels and Jordan Hawkins aren't available.

You gotta give to get. What are you willing to offer?

#21.

What on the Pelicans roster would you trade for the 20th pick? Not much right? Then compare that to Murray.

NOP has all their own picks, and the LAL pick and can cross their fingers about Milwaukee.. So could make a real offer if you wanted to..