Detroit / New Orleans / Sacramento

[Colbinii]

Detroit Out: Jaden Ivey, Quentin Grimes, Cap Space
Detroit In: Kevin Huerter, Better of LAL/NOP 2025 1st, 2026 Swap Rights with NOP/MIL [Detroit can swap it's 1st with better of NOP/MIL]

New Orleans Out: Larry Nance, Better of LAL/NOP 2025 1st, 2026 Swap Rights with NOP/MIL [Detroit can swap it's 1st with better of NOP/MIL]
New Orleans In: Jaden Ivey

Sacramento Out: Kevin Huerter
Sacramento In: Larry Nance, Quentin Grimes

Detroit adds a bomber in Huerter and a future 1st with upside for Ivey.
New Orleans adds a potential PGOF and clears some salary in 2024-2025.
Sacramento gets an ideal big pairing with Sabonis and a spot-minutes guard prospect.

[babyjax13]

Ivey feels like a terrible fit with Zion. I do think he'd be nice with a team that doesn't already have set pieces (e.g., Washington) or that spaces the floor rather well (Golden State?).

[Kalamazoo317]

Don't like this direction for Detroit. But I also value Grimes and want to see what he looks like with a full season. Sac seems like they'd love to just salary dump Huerter, which doesn't say much for him as a value add.

[Godaddycurse]

dont think ivey is worth an unprotected 2025 1st... needs protection or make it worse of

[OGSactownballer]

This is ok but not a big needle mover as far as the type of depth Sac is looking for. Gaining cap is good because it helps us be sure to secure Monk now without worrying about him walking.


Agree that Ivey is a question with Zion but maybe not as much if they move CJ and Ivey works on his shot.

As far as Huerter goes he is still fine in Sac but his role will change depending on how things shake out with Monk. Ellis makes far more sense as a starter next to Fox and if we can unload the salary to retain Monk we are in much better shape overall and can utilize the non taxpayer full MLE to bring in a decent younger PF out of Free agency.

[LightTheBeam]

Big yes from Sac. I like Nance/Lyles running the bigs off the bench.

Grimes im still a believer. Cheap option behind Keon and fits next to Monk off the bench if he returns. Sasha/Barnes/Mitchell/Duarte/13 still available to replace Barnes.

[Mr Peanut]

I don't see the value for Detroit. Huerter is pretty meh overall on that contract. The 2025 first at best will be a late lottery pick but likely in the 15-20 range so not fantastic. The 2026 pick swap likely won't amount to anything as I can't see us finishing with a better record than NO or MIL by then.

[oldncreaky]

This is off on value for Detroit based on trades discussed here, which has #13/Barnes/Huerter as neutral value.

Maybe Ivey's value is down this far that it balances, but if it is, that's are argument for Detroit to keep him 1 more year for the upside

Also, including a swap for Detroit seems pretty optimistic for Detroit!

[A_dub06]

Not a fan of this deal. I don’t think the 2025 pick has enough upside and the swap rights in 26 are like a top 55 protected 2nd round pick since Detroit will be worse than both those teams. I want to do a tear down and restart with Langdon at the helm including trading Cade if the right deal is on the table. Since Ivey’s value took a hit this season I’d want him to play out the season as the guy where I think he would build his value back up.

[Whole Truth]

Outside of the risk of contract, I think BI would fit well in Detroit. With the amount of time missed by Zion, BI has been carrying NO's in his absence miss cast as a #1 option but made the PO's a couple yrs ago without Zion playing a game. He's not a number 1, he struggles to protect the ball with no real point guard in NO's but in Detroit he would be playing off of Cade at point.

He's got 2-4 versatility, which would allow Detroit optional lineups with their wing & guard depth.

While his contract is ugly & risky. BI is a versatile, lengthy scorer & playmaker on the wing. 2/3 option.

If Detroit looking to spend cap ...

I think Detroit need to address Duren at C. I'd use #5 on an upside big in this draft if Sheppard doesn't fall past 4. Sign Jonas as he would raise the teams floor & bridge a development gap for a team that wants to make some progress & trade Duren with Ivey for a 3D SG/shooting.

You would be NO's with Cade instead of ZIon who's not consistently healthy, Ausar instead of Herb. You would be IMO a PO team in the East, play in at worse.

FA Jonas - Stewart - (#5 a upside big you think best fits to develop)
BI - Stewart
Thompson
(#5 Sheppard), Ivey or (Duran/Ivey traded for a 3D guard who can shoot)
Cade

Maybe Duren to Atlanta for Bogi if Atlanta move off of Capela.

[theBigLip]

I’d do the original deal from a Detroit standpoint if the 25 FRP and the 26 swap are unprotected. Either an AD or Zion injury and it will be a lotto pick in a strong draft.

I say this knowing we haven’t seen the best in Ivey or Grimes.

[OxAndFox]

I don't mind it and guess it would be worthwhile. I do this for Grimes though more than Nance.

[LightTheBeam]

This is off on value for Detroit based on trades discussed here, which has #13/Barnes/Huerter as neutral value.

Maybe Ivey's value is down this far that it balances, but if it is, that's are argument for Detroit to keep him 1 more year for the upside

Also, including a swap for Detroit seems pretty optimistic for Detroit!

Who had Barnes/#13/Huerter as neutral value? Doesn't seem realistic to me at all.

I certainly want Kings to upgrade from both those guys, but it seems every year Barnes is headlined in trade rumors from Houston last year, Boston the year before. I think you could make the argument that Huerter/Barnes themselves are nuetral/slight positive/slight negative depending on the team. But with #13 thats just silly.

I see the convo. Pretty clear the Kings poster was saying if we needed to do that to bring back Monk (seems pretty extreme) and you obliged instantly as that's no where near Neutral but clearly a positive for Detroit lol.

[oldncreaky]

This is off on value for Detroit based on trades discussed here, which has #13/Barnes/Huerter as neutral value.

Maybe Ivey's value is down this far that it balances, but if it is, that's are argument for Detroit to keep him 1 more year for the upside

Also, including a swap for Detroit seems pretty optimistic for Detroit!

Who had Barnes/#13/Huerter as neutral value? Doesn't seem realistic to me at all.

I certainly want Kings to upgrade from both those guys, but it seems every year Barnes is headlined in trade rumors from Houston last year, Boston the year before. I think you could make the argument that Huerter/Barnes themselves are nuetral/slight positive/slight negative depending on the team. But with #13 thats just silly.

I see the convo. Pretty clear the Kings poster was saying if we needed to do that to bring back Monk (seems pretty extreme) and you obliged instantly as that's no where near Neutral but clearly a positive for Detroit lol.

Getting a chunk of cap space does have value, and the trade got push-back from both sides

[Kalamazoo317]

Outside of the risk of contract, I think BI would fit well in Detroit. With the amount of time missed by Zion, BI has been carrying NO's in his absence miss cast as a #1 option but made the PO's a couple yrs ago without Zion playing a game. He's not a number 1, he struggles to protect the ball with no real point guard in NO's but in Detroit he would be playing off of Cade at point.

He's got 2-4 versatility, which would allow Detroit optional lineups with their wing & guard depth.

While his contract is ugly & risky. BI is a versatile, lengthy scorer & playmaker on the wing. 2/3 option.

If Detroit looking to spend cap ...

I think Detroit need to address Duren at C. I'd use #5 on an upside big in this draft if Sheppard doesn't fall past 4. Sign Jonas as he would raise the teams floor & bridge a development gap for a team that wants to make some progress & trade Duren with Ivey for a 3D SG/shooting.

You would be NO's with Cade instead of ZIon who's not consistently healthy, Ausar instead of Herb. You would be IMO a PO team in the East, play in at worse.

FA Jonas - Stewart - (#5 a upside big you think best fits to develop)
BI - Stewart
Thompson
(#5 Sheppard), Ivey or (Duran/Ivey traded for a 3D guard who can shoot)
Cade

Maybe Duren to Atlanta for Bogi if Atlanta move off of Capela.

In this scenario, what did Detroit actually trade to get BI?

[Whole Truth]

Outside of the risk of contract, I think BI would fit well in Detroit. With the amount of time missed by Zion, BI has been carrying NO's in his absence miss cast as a #1 option but made the PO's a couple yrs ago without Zion playing a game. He's not a number 1, he struggles to protect the ball with no real point guard in NO's but in Detroit he would be playing off of Cade at point.

He's got 2-4 versatility, which would allow Detroit optional lineups with their wing & guard depth.

While his contract is ugly & risky. BI is a versatile, lengthy scorer & playmaker on the wing. 2/3 option.

If Detroit looking to spend cap ...

I think Detroit need to address Duren at C. I'd use #5 on an upside big in this draft if Sheppard doesn't fall past 4. Sign Jonas as he would raise the teams floor & bridge a development gap for a team that wants to make some progress & trade Duren with Ivey for a 3D SG/shooting.

You would be NO's with Cade instead of ZIon who's not consistently healthy, Ausar instead of Herb. You would be IMO a PO team in the East, play in at worse.

FA Jonas - Stewart - (#5 a upside big you think best fits to develop)
BI - Stewart
Thompson
(#5 Sheppard), Ivey or (Duran/Ivey traded for a 3D guard who can shoot)
Cade

Maybe Duren to Atlanta for Bogi if Atlanta move off of Capela.

In this scenario, what did Detroit actually trade to get BI?

With this post I was just suggesting directional moves & frame work to potential goals. Notice I have either a big with the 5th pick or Sheppard. I have Duren & Ivey also as potential trade options but listed. Maybe it takes all of Duren, Ivey, #5. I'd still have solutions for that frame work.

The pick selection is at 5 is if Duren is moved either for BI or smaller trade for a guard. I'd have the drafted big man developing behind a couple years of Jonas, put an option yr on however long you desire to hold onto Jonas as stop gap to development, so he could be a potential salary dump to a team looking to save under the new CBA where they can decline a TO & save money, to up his potential trade value as he gets older or sooner, if the C drafted is better & develops faster than expected. Jonas is a floor raiser, he's gone to a tanking Raptors team, a 22 Memphis team in place of Gasol & No 3J due to injury, rookie PG JA, a non PO team in NO's without Zion for the majority of 3yrs, missing his first entire season & in 13yrs as a starter, Jonas has only missed the PO's 2yrs by play in losses. He's a basketball & team first option that a coach can bench for a rookie with no internal issue. Pure professional. Which is as much to do with his success on teams as his court play. Perfect example of professionalism on/off to young players & a team in need to make a leap into PO contention. He averaged 15/10, 60% efficiency on a 15m contract 25m a game. Which is not a bad way to spend 15-20m of your cap space but makes more sense him starting with a rookie behind him developing than backing up Duren.

Concerning trades, It's possible all of Duren, Ivey & the 5th are moved. If Duren is moved & no young C is drafted Stewart is a good backup C. If Ivey is moved & Sheppard is not drafted, Duren can be traded for a SG/Shooter. If both Duren & Ivery are moved, Use the #5 on Sheppard. If all 3 are moved, cap space on a defender/shooter. If you want I can make more detailed suggestions of this layout & concept build.

[Whole Truth]

Being a NO's supporter. What I take back from a 3rd team for BI would be dependent on a 3rd teams interest. My goal this offseason is to pair Sarr with Zion. If Atlanta have interest in maximizing the #1 pick, I would want to satisfy that demand if they trade down. If they want something like Duren, #5, Ivey #5, Duren, Ivey, #5. I'd give Detroit/Hawks the necessary value in combination with BI to pair Sarr with Zion. Be it adding a pick in 25 where they have none

There would be many variations of potential interest. (Duren & or Ivey, #5, NO''s 25)

Maybe for this to be viable to Detroit the future pick/s from NO's goes that direction. IDK, haven't really put much thought into it yet.

Jonas of course is about 15-20m of cap space & Stewart is there to back him up. I know some NO fans like Stewart. Maybe there's a scenario where you keep Duren's "potential". Me personally would trade that potential for a different avenue/fit.

[7r5ur]

dont think ivey is worth an unprotected 2025 1st... needs protection or make it worse of

Given that the swap likely has no value because the Pistons are going to be bad for a couple more years at least, it really is most likely a #15-20 future 1st from for Grimes and Ivey (New Orleans and the Lakers are going to be teams in the playoff hunt) plus, what I see as negative value in absorbing Huerter's deal, which would limit their options in free agency.

Seems like a bad direction for the Pistons and is definitely selling low on Grimes and Ivey. Would way rather dump Monty, bring in a few real players in free agency with that money and see how Grimes and Ivey are in a better situation than this.

[Whole Truth]

On the Hawks board, I saw Jam suggest Duran, #5 for #1. If Detroit can make that trade viable to NO's. I would trade BI, necessary future pick value if needed to either Detroit/Atlanta for #1, cap space. Doesn't even have to be pure cap space, I'd take back some bad salary to get it done too.

For me where Murray to NO's is concerned it was me who wanted to trade CJ + for him whether it needed a 3rd team or not (Had Magic as a potential target with their need for spacing) at the deadline, it's where the interest in him started. It was to improve CJ's defensive fit with Zion. That idea has now turned into BI's contract for Murray. Offensively, Murray is not better or better fit than BI & he's not a better defender than Daniels at point with CJ's 30m no longer blocking the rookie from potentially starting. The swap is entirely contract based, a potential development stop gap to Daniels improving because NO's already have Zion, CJ maxed out with Murphy looking at extension. I would not add a future FRP with BI to save 15m in cap space for Murray. I'd sooner trade CJ into cap space to make BI's extension viable financially & start Daniels.

[jayjaysee]

I actually really like it.

Ivey has development time if he’s traded to NOP. And he seems like a good fit in a 3 guard rotation with Daniels/Trey?

Sac pays very little though. LNJ for Huerter feels good enough, not sure if Grimes has much value, but Sac isn’t paying it..

Only for issue for NOP is they already need a big and now they need two and still have same tax issues.. Maybe they trade Ingram and address the starting center spot, or save enough salary to pay Jonas and use MLE on another? Deals don’t need to fix everything, and NOP can address the bigs else where..