Garland to Orlando for depth from the Spurs

[Syko_boB]

Cleveland

Darius Garland, CLE #20
For
Kelden Johnson, Cole Anthony, Jeremy Sochan, SAS #35

- rumored to be taking calls on Garland
- improve depth tremendously
- add 3 young guys who can be molded into great complimentary pieces & can use fresh starts

Allen / Wade
Mobley / Sochan / Niang
Strus / Okoro
Johnson / LeVert
Mitchell / Anthony


San Antonio

Kelden Johnson, Jeremy Sochan, SAS #35
For
Anthony Black, Joe Ingles, ORL #18, CLE #20, ORL 26 1st

- reset on some assets if they don't see the long term vision in them after seeing Johnson's regression & Sochan's skillset this year
- reports they will be active on Draft day
- also gives them significantly more cap space (FA)

Collins / Cissoko
Wembanyama / Ingles
Chambagnie / Wesley
Vassell / Branham
Jones / Black


Orlando

Anthony Black, Cole Anthony, Joe Ingles, ORL #18, 26 ORL 1st
For
Darius Garland

- reportedly seeking guard in Garland mold
- add significant piece to their core solving starting 1 issue and 3 point shooting

Carter / Isaac
Banchero / Wagner
Wagner / Houstan
Suggs / Howard
Garland /

[giberish]

IMO you're wildly overrating Johnson and Sochan if you think this makes any sense for Cleveland. The Orlando package for Garland is light but on the low end of plausible, but the SA part seems wildly off to me. Even if all 3 1sts were taken out I'd rather have Black and Ingles than Johnson and Sochan

[Slim Charless]

Garland is worth more than this. Much more.

[Whole Truth]

San Amico tweeted Spurs are interested in Garland.
Givony tweeted Atlanta like Clingan & are exploring trades down

I've been discussing the following trade with Spurs fans on their board.

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21, NO's FRP)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, #8, FRP) for (Garland, Herb)

Hawks trade - (Murray, #1) for (Keldon, #4, #8, Spurs FRP Atlanta 25 or 27 draft rights back)

NO's trade - (BI, Herb, #21, NO's FRP) for (Murray, Collins, #1)

#1 Sarr - Collins
Zion - Nance
Murphy - Daniels
CJ - Hawkins/Daniels
Murray - Jose/Daniels

Daniels shows any offensive growth, I'd flip Murray's value contract/control for turn over value. I don't think Murray is a great fit with Zion but have him as a stop gap to developing Daniels.

[Whole Truth]

I have 2 goals for NO's this offseason, target Sarr to pair with Zion, get off CJ's contract fit.

If Detroit are willing - (CJ, NO's 25 projected teens, lottery protected) for (Ivey, 28m TPE) which I discussed with Detroit mod here on the trade board.
 
Trade 2 -

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, Ivey)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, FRP) for (Garland)

Hawks trade - (Murray, #1) for (Keldon, #4, #21, Spurs FRP, NO's FRP)

NO's trade - (BI, Ivey, #21, NO's FRP) for (Murray, Collins, #1)

[One_and_Done]

Why isn't SA getting Garland? Anyway, it's moot. The Spurs aren't likely to move Sochan, and not for this weak return. Why do they need a PG who can't shoot?

[Skybox]

I love ORL walking away with Garland in OP, but it seems like CLE getting screwed. At least keep #20.
1. ORL could add another pick or Jett Howard and cut SAS out, or…
2. Overvalued KJ & Sochan, imo…swap one out for Vassell and put Garland next to Wemby for the next decade (cut ORL out). Draft Castle and best wing on the board.

[tidho]

I love ORL walking away with Garland in OP, but it seems like CLE getting screwed. At least keep #20.
1. ORL could add another pick or Jett Howard and cut SAS out, or…
2. Overvalued KJ & Sochan, imo…swap one out for Vassell and put Garland next to Wemby for the next decade (cut ORL out). Draft Castle and best wing on the board.

pretty much all this.

the OP doesn't make sense. and i have a completely different valuation on SA's pieces than it seems Spurs fans do. I don't think there will ever be agreement on this board with a Garland to SA deal, even though it makes sense. In fairness it is difficult with Garland's salary and no one in SA getting paid.

[brackdan70]

I think Cleveland needs a bit more and Orlando is paying a bit too much. Spurs are stealing value here and could be left out of the deal to make it work better.

[jbk1234]

San Amico tweeted Spurs are interested in Garland.
Givony tweeted Atlanta like Clingan & are exploring trades down

I've been discussing the following trade with Spurs fans on their board.

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21, NO's FRP)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, #8, FRP) for (Garland, Herb)

Hawks trade - (Murray, #1) for (Keldon, #4, #8, Spurs FRP Atlanta 25 or 27 draft rights back)

NO's trade - (BI, Herb, #21, NO's FRP) for (Murray, Collins, #1)

#1 Sarr - Collins
Zion - Nance
Murphy - Daniels
CJ - Hawkins/Daniels
Murray - Jose/Daniels

Daniels shows any offensive growth, I'd flip Murray's value contract/control for turn over value. I don't think Murray is a great fit with Zion but have him as a stop gap to developing Daniels.

I don't see anyway Garland gets traded before Mitchell's signature is on an extension so trades involving this year's picks seem implausible to me. Also, Ingram's trade value is really dependent upon his willingness to sign a below-max extension and I've read nothing indicating he's willing to do that.

[mcfly1204]

Guys, guys, settle down. You'll all have a chance to outbid each other for Garland...

[Slim Charless]

San Amico tweeted Spurs are interested in Garland.
Givony tweeted Atlanta like Clingan & are exploring trades down

I've been discussing the following trade with Spurs fans on their board.

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21, NO's FRP)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, #8, FRP) for (Garland, Herb)

Hawks trade - (Murray, #1) for (Keldon, #4, #8, Spurs FRP Atlanta 25 or 27 draft rights back)

NO's trade - (BI, Herb, #21, NO's FRP) for (Murray, Collins, #1)

#1 Sarr - Collins
Zion - Nance
Murphy - Daniels
CJ - Hawkins/Daniels
Murray - Jose/Daniels

Daniels shows any offensive growth, I'd flip Murray's value contract/control for turn over value. I don't think Murray is a great fit with Zion but have him as a stop gap to developing Daniels.

I don't see anyway Garland gets traded before Mitchell's signature is on an extension so trades involving this year's picks seem implausible to me. Also, Ingram's trade value is really dependent upon his willingness to sign a below-max extension and I've read nothing indicating he's willing to do that.

Atl gets screwed in this trade.

[Whole Truth]

San Amico tweeted Spurs are interested in Garland.
Givony tweeted Atlanta like Clingan & are exploring trades down

I've been discussing the following trade with Spurs fans on their board.

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21, NO's FRP)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, #8, FRP) for (Garland, Herb)

Hawks trade - (Murray, #1) for (Keldon, #4, #8, Spurs FRP Atlanta 25 or 27 draft rights back)

NO's trade - (BI, Herb, #21, NO's FRP) for (Murray, Collins, #1)

#1 Sarr - Collins
Zion - Nance
Murphy - Daniels
CJ - Hawkins/Daniels
Murray - Jose/Daniels

Daniels shows any offensive growth, I'd flip Murray's value contract/control for turn over value. I don't think Murray is a great fit with Zion but have him as a stop gap to developing Daniels.

I don't see anyway Garland gets traded before Mitchell's signature is on an extension so trades involving this year's picks seem implausible to me. Also, Ingram's trade value is really dependent upon his willingness to sign a below-max extension and I've read nothing indicating he's willing to do that.

That makes perfect sense. The Cavs part of the deal is where I'm putting most my guess work.

The Spurs value is off discussions I've had on their board. They think it's a little high but doable.

Givony tweeted Hawks worked out Clingan, stated Quinn favors him to be in the mix & they're exploring trade option's down to 3-4 where, NO's help Spurs by swapping BI for Garland using the 4th pick Clingan, of course dependent of the Mitchell outcome.

With Hawks interest in Clingan & open to trading down NO's have the assets to add with #4 to help Hawks maximize the value of #1 while minimizing risk. Part of this arrangement is Spurs FRP is giving Hawks back draft rights to one of the 3yrs they own.

[Whole Truth]

San Amico tweeted Spurs are interested in Garland.
Givony tweeted Atlanta like Clingan & are exploring trades down

I've been discussing the following trade with Spurs fans on their board.

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21, NO's FRP)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, #8, FRP) for (Garland, Herb)

Hawks trade - (Murray, #1) for (Keldon, #4, #8, Spurs FRP Atlanta 25 or 27 draft rights back)

NO's trade - (BI, Herb, #21, NO's FRP) for (Murray, Collins, #1)

#1 Sarr - Collins
Zion - Nance
Murphy - Daniels
CJ - Hawkins/Daniels
Murray - Jose/Daniels

Daniels shows any offensive growth, I'd flip Murray's value contract/control for turn over value. I don't think Murray is a great fit with Zion but have him as a stop gap to developing Daniels.

I don't see anyway Garland gets traded before Mitchell's signature is on an extension so trades involving this year's picks seem implausible to me. Also, Ingram's trade value is really dependent upon his willingness to sign a below-max extension and I've read nothing indicating he's willing to do that.

Atl gets screwed in this trade.

How so ?

Amico tweeted that Atlanta is open to trading down to 3-4 for Clingan to net additional assets as they have him in the mix for #1. They get 4 & 8 from the Spurs. Also included is a Spurs FRP which is Atlanta's draft rights back for 1 of 3yrs which no other team can give them & a NO's first along with Keldon Johnson.

It's not quite what Atlanta gave up for Murray but it's close.

2 things Spurs possess that Hawks would want, #4 & their draft rights of which they get one year back.

[jayu70]

San Amico tweeted Spurs are interested in Garland.
Givony tweeted Atlanta like Clingan & are exploring trades down

I've been discussing the following trade with Spurs fans on their board.

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21, NO's FRP)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, #8, FRP) for (Garland, Herb)

Hawks trade - (Murray, #1) for (Keldon, #4, #8, Spurs FRP Atlanta 25 or 27 draft rights back)

NO's trade - (BI, Herb, #21, NO's FRP) for (Murray, Collins, #1)

#1 Sarr - Collins
Zion - Nance
Murphy - Daniels
CJ - Hawkins/Daniels
Murray - Jose/Daniels

Daniels shows any offensive growth, I'd flip Murray's value contract/control for turn over value. I don't think Murray is a great fit with Zion but have him as a stop gap to developing Daniels.

Bad deal for the Hawks trading Murray and #1 and ending up with Keldon Johnson. Not even getting Herb Jones in the deal?? Hawks want to win games.
Easy Pass. As a Hawks fan, I have no interest in 'picks back.'

[Whole Truth]

San Amico tweeted Spurs are interested in Garland.
Givony tweeted Atlanta like Clingan & are exploring trades down

I've been discussing the following trade with Spurs fans on their board.

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21, NO's FRP)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, #8, FRP) for (Garland, Herb)

Hawks trade - (Murray, #1) for (Keldon, #4, #8, Spurs FRP Atlanta 25 or 27 draft rights back)

NO's trade - (BI, Herb, #21, NO's FRP) for (Murray, Collins, #1)

#1 Sarr - Collins
Zion - Nance
Murphy - Daniels
CJ - Hawkins/Daniels
Murray - Jose/Daniels

Daniels shows any offensive growth, I'd flip Murray's value contract/control for turn over value. I don't think Murray is a great fit with Zion but have him as a stop gap to developing Daniels.

Bad deal for the Hawks trading Murray and #1 and ending up with Keldon Johnson. Not even getting Herb Jones in the deal??
Easy Pass

Keldon johnson, #4 Clingan, #8, Spurs/Hawks 25 or 27 draft rights back & NO's/Lakers FRP

Not Keldon Johnson.

[jbk1234]

San Amico tweeted Spurs are interested in Garland.
Givony tweeted Atlanta like Clingan & are exploring trades down

I've been discussing the following trade with Spurs fans on their board.

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI, #21, NO's FRP)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, #8, FRP) for (Garland, Herb)

Hawks trade - (Murray, #1) for (Keldon, #4, #8, Spurs FRP Atlanta 25 or 27 draft rights back)

NO's trade - (BI, Herb, #21, NO's FRP) for (Murray, Collins, #1)

#1 Sarr - Collins
Zion - Nance
Murphy - Daniels
CJ - Hawkins/Daniels
Murray - Jose/Daniels

Daniels shows any offensive growth, I'd flip Murray's value contract/control for turn over value. I don't think Murray is a great fit with Zion but have him as a stop gap to developing Daniels.

I don't see anyway Garland gets traded before Mitchell's signature is on an extension so trades involving this year's picks seem implausible to me. Also, Ingram's trade value is really dependent upon his willingness to sign a below-max extension and I've read nothing indicating he's willing to do that.

Atl gets screwed in this trade.

Yeah, they could do better, I have no idea what the Hawks are doing tbh. If the Nets have interest in Trae (assuming Mitchell extends) that's the move IMO, but that means drafting Sarr and moving him later a la Wiggins.

[jbk1234]

I don't see anyway Garland gets traded before Mitchell's signature is on an extension so trades involving this year's picks seem implausible to me. Also, Ingram's trade value is really dependent upon his willingness to sign a below-max extension and I've read nothing indicating he's willing to do that.

Atl gets screwed in this trade.

How so ?

Amico tweeted that Atlanta is open to trading down to 3-4 for Clingan to net additional assets as they have him in the mix for #1. They get 4 & 8 from the Spurs. Also included is a Spurs FRP which is Atlanta's draft rights back for 1 of 3yrs which no other team can give them & a NO's first along with Keldon Johnson.

It's not quite what Atlanta gave up for Murray but it's close.

2 things Spurs possess that Hawks would want, #4 & their draft rights of which they get one year back.

Just a caveat, I would not mortgage the house to buy Sam Amico stock.

[Whole Truth]

Atl gets screwed in this trade.

How so ?

Amico tweeted that Atlanta is open to trading down to 3-4 for Clingan to net additional assets as they have him in the mix for #1. They get 4 & 8 from the Spurs. Also included is a Spurs FRP which is Atlanta's draft rights back for 1 of 3yrs which no other team can give them & a NO's first along with Keldon Johnson.

It's not quite what Atlanta gave up for Murray but it's close.

2 things Spurs possess that Hawks would want, #4 & their draft rights of which they get one year back.

Just a caveat, I would not mortgage the house to buy Sam Amico stock.

That was a mistake on my part.

Givony from draft express tweeted Atlanta & Quinn like Clingan & would trade down to 3-4 if it meant getting additional value.

Amico's tweet said Spurs are interested in Garland.

I'm curious as to what you think would be a better offer for Murray, #1.

What Hawks are getting in the trade based on the above

Keldon Johnson, #4 Clingan, #8, Spurs/Hawks 25 or 27 draft rights back & NO's/Lakers FRP.

Spurs can do what Nets can't, which is allow Atlanta to control one of their draft yrs. Nets would have to trade in at 3 where NO's trade in at 4 for Clingan, their trade down target range. Keldon straight up for Murray also saves Atlanta some cap space with them sitting near or in the tax & the Lakers were a PI team fully healthy with another year added to Lerbon's age where health could make them a lotto team for a projected lotto pick in 25.

[Whole Truth]

For me, if Murray is a sticking point in value, he's not a must in trade. I'd do a straight pick deal if Hawks are open to trading down.