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If Atl picks Sarr (or trades the #1 to a team who wants Sarr), does this make sense

SA sends #4/#8 to Wash for #2/#26

For the Wiz, their 2 best young pieces are really SF's in Deni/Bilal. Risacher looks good, but is also a SF. I know you you can never have enough wings, but getting the #4 and #8 seems better for them-they can take Clingan to anchor their D at 4 and the best guard available at #8.

For SA, they get what looks like a perfect fit (and a Frenchman) for their SF longterm with Wemby, Vassell and Sochan. They need a PG still, but maybe cap space, trade or a future draft. They also add the #26 to play with (BPA)

It all comes down to how the Spurs value Risacher.

Spurs are never doing this.

What happens if you trade the Pistons for the Spurs?
Risacher would fit perfectly in the Pistons.

Duren+5 to WIZARDS
At number 5 there will be 1 from Shepard/Topic/Castle

2(Risacher)+ 26 to PISTONS..
They pick the guy with the skill set they need,while they can get a quality center in FA,with tons of money to spend

Astaluego wrote:What happens if you trade the Pistons for the Spurs?
Risacher would fit perfectly in the Pistons.

Duren+5 to WIZARDS
At number 5 there will be 1 from Shepard/Topic/Castle

2(Risacher)+ 26 to PISTONS..
They pick the guy with the skill set they need,while they can get a quality center in FA,with tons of money to spend

Looks good as well

I like the DET version and I think SAS wants an early PG (Topic or Castle or even both), so unlikely to trade up for #2, imo.

#8 is more than Mavs gave up to move up 2 spots for LUKA F'ING DONCIC. Risacher is sure not it. Hard pass.

From the Wizards' perspective, I don't have a strong inclination towards any of the top 6 or 7 guys so I would definitely be open to trade down.

I think asking for the #8 is an awful lot to move up 2 spots. I'd be okay just trading the #2 to San Antonio for #8 plus one of their FRP's in 2025. They have 4: their own, a Charlotte top 14 protected, Chicago top 10 protected, and Atlanta unprotected. I'd ask for their highest pick that falls outside the top 10.

If San Antonio truly believes that a player who will not fall to #4 will be a star, they would have to consider it out of principle.

That said, in reality, I think the Washington Wizards would consider #4 and Charlotte 2025 First Round Pick (protected 1-14, or becomes two seconds in 2026 and 2027) for #2. Might cost San Antonio another second or two (maybe #35 in this Draft?), but that would be it.

SAS: #2
OUT: #4, #35, and 2025 CHA FRP (1-14 Protected, becomes two seconds)

That seems like a more-than fair enough trade, which is more-so inline with prior Draft day trades.

Domejandro wrote:If San Antonio truly believes that a player who will not fall to #4 will be a star, they would have to consider it out of principle.

That said, in reality, I think the Washington Wizards would consider #4 and Charlotte 2025 First Round Pick (protected 1-14, or becomes two seconds in 2026 and 2027) for #2. Might cost San Antonio another second or two (maybe #35 in this Draft?), but that would be it.

SAS: #2
OUT: #4, #35, and 2025 CHA FRP (1-14 Protected, becomes two seconds)

That seems like a more-than fair enough trade, which is more-so inline with prior Draft day trades.

I'd do that trade for the #8 and a 2025 FRP. The only caveat is that I would insist on getting a decent FRP in 2025 rather than deal with the uncertainty of that Charlotte pick alone. San Antonio has 4 FRP's next year, at least 2 of which will certainly convey (their own and Atlanta's) plus probably the Chicago pick (which has top 10 protection) and maybe the Charlotte pick.

San Antonio has the ability to just give the Wizards the best of those picks, or the second-best of those picks, or the best of those picks that falls outside of the top 10, or something like that. From the Wizards, I would want a pick that ultimately falls somewhere between 8-16

nate33 wrote:

Domejandro wrote:If San Antonio truly believes that a player who will not fall to #4 will be a star, they would have to consider it out of principle.

That said, in reality, I think the Washington Wizards would consider #4 and Charlotte 2025 First Round Pick (protected 1-14, or becomes two seconds in 2026 and 2027) for #2. Might cost San Antonio another second or two (maybe #35 in this Draft?), but that would be it.

SAS: #2
OUT: #4, #35, and 2025 CHA FRP (1-14 Protected, becomes two seconds)

That seems like a more-than fair enough trade, which is more-so inline with prior Draft day trades.

I'd do that trade for the #8 and a 2025 FRP. The only caveat is that I would insist on getting a decent FRP in 2025 rather than deal with the uncertainty of that Charlotte pick alone. San Antonio has 4 FRP's next year, at least 2 of which will certainly convey (their own and Atlanta's) plus probably the Chicago pick (which has top 10 protection) and maybe the Charlotte pick.

San Antonio has the ability to just give the Wizards the best of those picks, or the second-best of those picks, or the best of those picks that falls outside of the top 10, or something like that. From the Wizards, I would want a pick that ultimately falls somewhere between 8-16

No one is trading '25 FRPs for this year's picks. Most you'd get for a 2 spot jump is a lottery protected future first, and that's pushing it. Personally I think Spurs should just pick whomever is BPA at #4 and be done with it, there's no certainty Risacher is better than Buzelis, or Castle, or Dillingham, or Sheppard, or Clingan, or 4/5 other guys.

Skybox wrote:I like the DET version and I think SAS wants an early PG (Topic or Castle or even both), so unlikely to trade up for #2, imo.

Topic has a torn ACL.

wemby wrote:#8 is more than Mavs gave up to move up 2 spots for LUKA F'ING DONCIC. Risacher is sure not it. Hard pass.

Eh, the Hawks got No. 5 and a lottery pick the following year.

wemby wrote:

nate33 wrote:

Domejandro wrote:If San Antonio truly believes that a player who will not fall to #4 will be a star, they would have to consider it out of principle.

That said, in reality, I think the Washington Wizards would consider #4 and Charlotte 2025 First Round Pick (protected 1-14, or becomes two seconds in 2026 and 2027) for #2. Might cost San Antonio another second or two (maybe #35 in this Draft?), but that would be it.

SAS: #2
OUT: #4, #35, and 2025 CHA FRP (1-14 Protected, becomes two seconds)

That seems like a more-than fair enough trade, which is more-so inline with prior Draft day trades.

I'd do that trade for the #8 and a 2025 FRP. The only caveat is that I would insist on getting a decent FRP in 2025 rather than deal with the uncertainty of that Charlotte pick alone. San Antonio has 4 FRP's next year, at least 2 of which will certainly convey (their own and Atlanta's) plus probably the Chicago pick (which has top 10 protection) and maybe the Charlotte pick.

San Antonio has the ability to just give the Wizards the best of those picks, or the second-best of those picks, or the best of those picks that falls outside of the top 10, or something like that. From the Wizards, I would want a pick that ultimately falls somewhere between 8-16

No one is trading '25 FRPs for this year's picks. Most you'd get for a 2 spot jump is a lottery protected future first, and that's pushing it. Personally I think Spurs should just pick whomever is BPA at #4 and be done with it, there's no certainty Risacher is better than Buzelis, or Castle, or Dillingham, or Sheppard, or Clingan, or 4/5 other guys.

I don't know, I think the following is reasonable for a six pick jump...

SAS: #2
OUT: #8 and best of 2025 ATL/CHA/CHI/SAS FRP (1-10 Protected, CHA is 1-14 Protected)

Assuming Alexander Sarr goes #1, being able to fully lock-in your #1 and #3 picks at that low cost is super solid. Lock in Zaccharie Risacher and Reed Sheppard, and the Spurs would be able to develop two potential starting-caliber pieces during Victor Wembanyama's sophomore season, have ~$22MM in cap-space to sign a nice supporting piece, and great odds at adding more talent through the NBA Draft in 2025. I am fairly confident that the Washington Wizards wouldn't do it, if I am being honest; the top ten protection is pretty rough value, even in a bad Draft.

jbk1234 wrote:

Skybox wrote:I like the DET version and I think SAS wants an early PG (Topic or Castle or even both), so unlikely to trade up for #2, imo.

Topic has a torn ACL.

Partially torn ACL isn't a death sentence...He might drop, but he won't plummet and SAS is in no rush

I don't believe you can move from 4 to 2 for a pick that likely is never a first. We are losing our minds about how bad this draft is. Even if Washington really loved a guy they felt confident would still get there, you can't set your prices that low. Better to "overdraft" your guy than let teams know we will give up premium assets for nothing.

jbk1234 wrote:

wemby wrote:#8 is more than Mavs gave up to move up 2 spots for LUKA F'ING DONCIC. Risacher is sure not it. Hard pass.

Eh, the Hawks got No. 5 and a lottery pick the following year.

Mavs paid a future first (ended up #10) to move up 2 spots (from 5 to 3) to get LUKA DONCIC.
This proposal would have the Spurs give up #8 to move up the same number of spots (2), only to get RISACHER.
This draft is much flatter, the difference between picks is much smaller than it was in that draft. Pass.

Texas Chuck wrote:I don't believe you can move from 4 to 2 for a pick that likely is never a first. We are losing our minds about how bad this draft is. Even if Washington really loved a guy they felt confident would still get there, you can't set your prices that low. Better to "overdraft" your guy than let teams know we will give up premium assets for nothing.

Last year Wizards moved up 1 spot (from 8 to 7) for a single SRP to pick up Coulibaly. OKC moved up 2 spots (from 12 to 10) to get Cason Wallace for a moderate salary dump. Every move needs to take the context into consideration, not every jump is the same and in this particular draft you can't expect a huge premium to get essentially the same caliber of player.

Domejandro wrote:

wemby wrote:

nate33 wrote:I'd do that trade for the #8 and a 2025 FRP. The only caveat is that I would insist on getting a decent FRP in 2025 rather than deal with the uncertainty of that Charlotte pick alone. San Antonio has 4 FRP's next year, at least 2 of which will certainly convey (their own and Atlanta's) plus probably the Chicago pick (which has top 10 protection) and maybe the Charlotte pick.

San Antonio has the ability to just give the Wizards the best of those picks, or the second-best of those picks, or the best of those picks that falls outside of the top 10, or something like that. From the Wizards, I would want a pick that ultimately falls somewhere between 8-16

No one is trading '25 FRPs for this year's picks. Most you'd get for a 2 spot jump is a lottery protected future first, and that's pushing it. Personally I think Spurs should just pick whomever is BPA at #4 and be done with it, there's no certainty Risacher is better than Buzelis, or Castle, or Dillingham, or Sheppard, or Clingan, or 4/5 other guys.

I don't know, I think the following is reasonable for a six pick jump...

SAS: #2
OUT: #8 and best of 2025 ATL/CHA/CHI/SAS FRP (1-10 Protected, CHA is 1-14 Protected)

Assuming Alexander Sarr goes #1, being able to fully lock-in your #1 and #3 picks at that low cost is super solid. Lock in Zaccharie Risacher and Reed Sheppard, and the Spurs would be able to develop two potential starting-caliber pieces during Victor Wembanyama's sophomore season, have ~$22MM in cap-space to sign a nice supporting piece, and great odds at adding more talent through the NBA Draft in 2025. I am fairly confident that the Washington Wizards wouldn't do it, if I am being honest; the top ten protection is pretty rough value, even in a bad Draft.

Next draft you may have 10 players better than no. 2 in this class. Personally, I might not even go with Risacher over Castle or Shappard over Dillingham, so to me this seems like preposterous asset management.

wemby wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I don't believe you can move from 4 to 2 for a pick that likely is never a first. We are losing our minds about how bad this draft is. Even if Washington really loved a guy they felt confident would still get there, you can't set your prices that low. Better to "overdraft" your guy than let teams know we will give up premium assets for nothing.

Last year Wizards moved up 1 spot (from 8 to 7) for a single SRP to pick up Coulibaly. OKC moved up 2 spots (from 12 to 10) to get Cason Wallace for a moderate salary dump. Every move needs to take the context into consideration, not every jump is the same and in this particular draft you can't expect a huge premium to get essentially the same caliber of player.

Said nothing about huge premium. But strongly disagree its nothing. 8 to 7 is different because the teams can talk and 8 tells 7 who they are taking. 8 gets the 2nd and a slightly cheaper contract for free. But there is a pick in between and its higher.

And Dallas got a first round pick after that salary dump so OKC could have simply done that instead. But really wanted a guy and was willing to eat Bertans to get him.

If the Spurs really like a guy at 2. They would be fools not to pay something real to insure they get their guy.

But I know its a flat draft with tiers that end where my team pick and we should get what we want for the price we want....