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Butler to LA
Posted: Sat Jun 8, 2024 6:19 pm
by rambo_ortega
Heat Get:
Austin Reaves
D'Angelo Russell
Rui Hachimura
They begin their youth movement and build around Bam. I think they can even be better with this roster.
DLo/Herro/Reaves/Rui/Bam
Lakers Get:
Jimmy Butler
They go all in with Lebron's last remaining years while still leaving them with an AD/Butler duo in the next several years.
Vincent/Butler/Lebron/Vanderbilt/AD
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sat Jun 8, 2024 6:25 pm
by gswhoops
Not even close for Miami
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sat Jun 8, 2024 6:37 pm
by TGW
gswhoops wrote:Not even close for Miami
I disagree. I don't know why Jimmy Butler's value is so overinflated and unwarranted.
First off, it's pretty much a given that he's missing 25-30 games (and playoff games too). Secondly, he's going to be 35 years old. Thirdly, he's not a superstar. He's a Robin-level player at this point in his career.
I think Reaves/Hachimura and the Lakers pick this year is on point. The Lakers' window is closing and I think for them, they can pay that price.
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sat Jun 8, 2024 6:38 pm
by Texas Chuck
I mean anyone who thinks Austin Reeves returns Jimmy Butler is badly overvaluing Reeves and shouldn't lecture anyone on overvaluing Butler. And Rui/Russell is neutral at absolute best.
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sat Jun 8, 2024 6:43 pm
by HornetJail
I'm not someone who wants to give Butler his next contract extension, but when your top players are LeBron James somehow still playing top 10 basketball at age 39, and a 31yo Anthony Davis, you care about right now, not 3-5 years from now. The Lakers should be able to offer #17 and a future 1st without hesitation to turn Austin Reaves and two relative nobody's into Jimmy Butler.
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sat Jun 8, 2024 6:44 pm
by BBallFreak
Texas Chuck wrote:I mean anyone who thinks Austin Reeves returns Jimmy Butler is badly overvaluing Reeves and shouldn't lecture anyone on overvaluing Butler. And Rui/Russell is neutral at absolute best.
Nothing more to be said
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sat Jun 8, 2024 6:51 pm
by JRoy
Homer deal
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sat Jun 8, 2024 6:52 pm
by Texas Chuck
JRoy wrote:Homer deal
Nope. If you have nothing to add, don't post. You know better than this.
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sat Jun 8, 2024 6:56 pm
by JRoy
Texas Chuck wrote:JRoy wrote:Homer deal
Nope. If you have nothing to add, don't post. You know better than this.
Fair enough.
Light on value for MIA. They give up an all nba talent for a bad contract, a bench guy and a starter.
I guess MIA would really have to like Reeves to consider this.
Seems unlikely.
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sat Jun 8, 2024 6:57 pm
by brackdan70
Heat need some picks make the value work. Not a ton but a couple.
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sat Jun 8, 2024 7:03 pm
by ejftw
Not touching on value as it's been said pretty well already, but I'm wondering where this youth movement is? Reaves and Rui are both 26 while D'Lo is 28.
Wouldn't really classify that as a move for a youth movement. I mean, younger than Jimmy, sure.
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sun Jun 9, 2024 2:02 am
by LakersLegacy
Turning 36, soon to be retired
For
2 young players on low contracts, 1 with almost LeBron James physical genetic gifts, Team USA, and 1 former all-star
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sun Jun 9, 2024 2:40 am
by PistolPeteJR
Neither team is doing this.
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sun Jun 9, 2024 3:00 am
by giberish
I agree with the general consensus that this is a 1st or perhaps 2 away.
From there I think it works. Given his age I don't see Butler returning a massive haul at this point. Still, there's a strong argument for Miami to get somewhat younger and cheaper. It also avoids the issue of how much to pay Butler going forward. The Lakers go full all-in, and Butler's probably the best win right now option they can get.
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sun Jun 9, 2024 3:01 am
by giberish
LakersLegacy wrote:Turning 36, soon to be retired
For
2 young players on low contracts, 1 with almost LeBron James physical genetic gifts, Team USA, and 1 former all-star
Who in this deal has 'almost LeBron physical gifts'???
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sun Jun 9, 2024 4:39 am
by tcheco
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sun Jun 9, 2024 6:35 am
by pipfan
I think there's something here
Butler to LA
#17/Rui/DLo from Lakers to Miami and #18 from Magic to Miami
Reeves to Magic
Magic get some offense, creation for cap space and pick
Lakers roll the dice on a star
Miami saves A TON of $ and goes with
Rozier/DLo
Herro/DRobinson
JJJ/Martin
Jovic/Rui
Bam
Plus they have the #15, 17, 18 to stock up for the future
They take a year off and keep their pick in '25, then go all in next summer with cap space and young talent, building around Bam
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sun Jun 9, 2024 8:08 am
by Slava
The last thing the lakers need is a 36 year old who skips the regular season to prime himself for the playoffs.
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sun Jun 9, 2024 11:55 am
by BBallFreak
pipfan wrote:I think there's something here
Butler to LA
#17/Rui/DLo from Lakers to Miami and #18 from Magic to Miami
Reeves to Magic
Magic get some offense, creation for cap space and pick
Lakers roll the dice on a star
Miami saves A TON of $ and goes with
Rozier/DLo
Herro/DRobinson
JJJ/Martin
Jovic/Rui
Bam
Plus they have the #15, 17, 18 to stock up for the future
They take a year off and keep their pick in '25, then go all in next summer with cap space and young talent, building around Bam
So the best asset outside of Butler goes to a third team? There's nothing there
Re: Butler to LA
Posted: Sun Jun 9, 2024 1:43 pm
by Karmaloop
JRoy wrote:Fair enough.
Light on value for MIA. They give up an all nba talent for a bad contract, a bench guy and a starter.
I guess MIA would really have to like Reeves to consider this.
Seems unlikely.
A soon to be 35 year old who is averaging 58 GP over the last 5 seasons that seems more interested in securing one last payday than winning a championship probably isn't nearly as valuable as you think he is. I'm not saying Miami should deal him for free, but the guy's trade value is dwindling fast.
