Get Garland to ORL

[Skybox]

Is this possible without including Paolo, Franz, Suggs?

ORL has apps $43m in easy cap space to absorb contracts. ORL has all of their own picks + DEN 25 (possibly another).

I’m thinking CLE is win-now, so likely requires a 3rd team with interest in picks, prospects, and/or salary relief (POR?), maybe BRK with Bridges to CLE (wouldn’t BRK just grab Garland?)

Maybe something starting with Wendell Carter+ to NOLA and Ingram to CLE?

*same issues and hurdles getting Dejounte to ORL…either would be great fits, but ATL probably not blowing it up either

[mcfly1204]

I don't see it. You are more than likely going to keep running into "why wouldn't team X just trade for Garland themselves".

[youngcrev]

I don't see it. You are more than likely going to keep running into "why wouldn't team X just trade for Garland themselves".

Yeah, this. Particularly in the case of New Orleans.

Dejounte seems like he'd be gettable, particularly with the Hawks salary situation and Orlando's ability to take on salary.

I think he'd help in Orlando, but I'm not sold on him being the answer long-term for them. He fits their strengths but doesn't address the spacing issue.

[Skybox]

Feel free to switch targets to Murray (or Player X), if you feel it’s doable…

Consider Monk as the baseline…it’s seems like a no-brainer that they could sign him if they feel he’s THE guy…so, imo, trading for CJ McCollum, for example, is a lesser option than just paying Monk $22m per.

[Texas Chuck]

Does Orlando have the value without including those 3 players? Certainly. For the idea to gain traction here do you need to bring in a 3rd team to get Cleveland fans exactly what they want? Definitely. Does adding additional teams make it that much more impossible to please everyone? Indubitably.

But I'd simply start with the value. And with the cap space Orlando has, it makes it easier for sure. I'd start my offer with WCJ who gives Cleveland a big who can play with either of their current guys or is an affordable replacement if they also deal Allen. Then I'd include Black.

Then its pick time. Rights to #18(traded after pick made on behalf of Cleveland), Better of 25 DEN/ORL, 27 ORL unprotected, 29 ORL(top 4, top 1, unpt)

I think that's an overpay, but for this board its necessary.

Then if Cleveland wants Bridges, route Black and 2 of the picks to Brooklyn.
If Cleveland wants BI, route Carter and one of the picks to New Orleans

But this is doable if Cleveland is really open to trade him. The value isn't remotely an issue.

[jbk1234]

Does Orlando have the value without including those 3 players? Certainly. For the idea to gain traction here do you need to bring in a 3rd team to get Cleveland fans exactly what they want? Definitely. Does adding additional teams make it that much more impossible to please everyone? Indubitably.

But I'd simply start with the value. And with the cap space Orlando has, it makes it easier for sure. I'd start my offer with WCJ who gives Cleveland a big who can play with either of their current guys or is an affordable replacement if they also deal Allen. Then I'd include Black.

Then its pick time. Rights to #18(traded after pick made on behalf of Cleveland), Better of 25 DEN/ORL, 27 ORL unprotected, 29 ORL(top 4, top 1, unpt)

I think that's an overpay, but for this board its necessary.

Then if Cleveland wants Bridges, route Black and 2 of the picks to Brooklyn.
If Cleveland wants BI, route Carter and one of the picks to New Orleans

But this is doable if Cleveland is really open to trade him. The value isn't remotely an issue.

I don't think the Cavs will be all that motivated to trade Garland to the Magic, who just took them to 7 games, and fix what's broken with that team. He'd be perfect for them. If there are comparable offers from Orlando, N.O. and the Spurs, he's going to be headed out West.

[Texas Chuck]

Does Orlando have the value without including those 3 players? Certainly. For the idea to gain traction here do you need to bring in a 3rd team to get Cleveland fans exactly what they want? Definitely. Does adding additional teams make it that much more impossible to please everyone? Indubitably.

But I'd simply start with the value. And with the cap space Orlando has, it makes it easier for sure. I'd start my offer with WCJ who gives Cleveland a big who can play with either of their current guys or is an affordable replacement if they also deal Allen. Then I'd include Black.

Then its pick time. Rights to #18(traded after pick made on behalf of Cleveland), Better of 25 DEN/ORL, 27 ORL unprotected, 29 ORL(top 4, top 1, unpt)

I think that's an overpay, but for this board its necessary.

Then if Cleveland wants Bridges, route Black and 2 of the picks to Brooklyn.
If Cleveland wants BI, route Carter and one of the picks to New Orleans

But this is doable if Cleveland is really open to trade him. The value isn't remotely an issue.

I don't think the Cavs will be all that motivated to trade Garland to the Magic, who just took them to 7 games, and fix what's broken with that team. He'd be perfect for them. If there are comparable offers from Orlando, N.O. and the Spurs, he's going to be headed out West.

As always, if your team can get an offer they seem more attractive, take that one instead.

I was simply trying to answer the OP that value-wise yes I believe it could be done and then one idea of what it might look like.

[DowJones]

Orlando would need to trade Franz. The Magic have primarily low-upside first-round draft picks to offer, along with mid-tier prospects like Howard and Black. It is unlikely that this package would be sufficient to acquire someone like Bridges. It is also unclear why New Orleans wouldn't simply opt to retain Garland for themselves instead of engaging in a 3 team deal with Orlando.

[DowJones]

Does Orlando have the value without including those 3 players? Certainly. For the idea to gain traction here do you need to bring in a 3rd team to get Cleveland fans exactly what they want? Definitely. Does adding additional teams make it that much more impossible to please everyone? Indubitably.

But I'd simply start with the value. And with the cap space Orlando has, it makes it easier for sure. I'd start my offer with WCJ who gives Cleveland a big who can play with either of their current guys or is an affordable replacement if they also deal Allen. Then I'd include Black.

Then its pick time. Rights to #18(traded after pick made on behalf of Cleveland), Better of 25 DEN/ORL, 27 ORL unprotected, 29 ORL(top 4, top 1, unpt)

I think that's an overpay, but for this board its necessary.

Then if Cleveland wants Bridges, route Black and 2 of the picks to Brooklyn.
If Cleveland wants BI, route Carter and one of the picks to New Orleans

But this is doable if Cleveland is really open to trade him. The value isn't remotely an issue.

I don't think the Cavs will be all that motivated to trade Garland to the Magic, who just took them to 7 games, and fix what's broken with that team. He'd be perfect for them. If there are comparable offers from Orlando, N.O. and the Spurs, he's going to be headed out West.

Yeah, this has to be factored into the discussion. Garland would be a great fit with Suggs and he fits the timeline in Orlando perfectly. Unless there is some 3rd team that loves Anthony Black, there isn't much sense discussing Garland to Orlando if the Magic aren't willing to put Franz in the deal.

[Skybox]

Does Orlando have the value without including those 3 players? Certainly. For the idea to gain traction here do you need to bring in a 3rd team to get Cleveland fans exactly what they want? Definitely. Does adding additional teams make it that much more impossible to please everyone? Indubitably.

But I'd simply start with the value. And with the cap space Orlando has, it makes it easier for sure. I'd start my offer with WCJ who gives Cleveland a big who can play with either of their current guys or is an affordable replacement if they also deal Allen. Then I'd include Black.

Then its pick time. Rights to #18(traded after pick made on behalf of Cleveland), Better of 25 DEN/ORL, 27 ORL unprotected, 29 ORL(top 4, top 1, unpt)

I think that's an overpay, but for this board its necessary.

Then if Cleveland wants Bridges, route Black and 2 of the picks to Brooklyn.
If Cleveland wants BI, route Carter and one of the picks to New Orleans

But this is doable if Cleveland is really open to trade him. The value isn't remotely an issue.

I don't think the Cavs will be all that motivated to trade Garland to the Magic, who just took them to 7 games, and fix what's broken with that team. He'd be perfect for them. If there are comparable offers from Orlando, N.O. and the Spurs, he's going to be headed out West.

Yeah, this has to be factored into the discussion. Garland would be a great fit with Suggs and he fits the timeline in Orlando perfectly. Unless there is some 3rd team that loves Anthony Black, there isn't much sense discussing Garland to Orlando if the Magic aren't willing to put Franz in the deal.

You never know how things shake out...it's almost NEVER that you see equal value players simply swapped for fit. Timelines, relative needs, and (now more than ever) cap issues factor in....Personally, I think frps are way overvalued, but the reality is good players often get traded for a basket of individually forgettable picks...I agree that CLE isn't likely to look at it that way, but they could have another move in mind with a bottom feeder that would love to save money discreetly and wave the "We got all of these frps" flag. I would also say that Garland looked like a lost child in the playoffs, for the most part...I know that's not who he is, I know he's a former All-Star, but he gets paid a LOT, is very small, and he didn't exactly ace that stress test. It's not like he would command a Mitchell haul.

Talking about moving Franz will get you burned out of the ORL boards... ...only time I've offered him was something around Garland AND Allen. Obviously, ORL would add - but not a lot, imo. I think Franz should be valued higher than Bridges-he shot poorly in the playoffs, but he's a 2-way, versatile, agile, crafty, fairly unstoppable going to the rim, 6'10 kid who knows how to use his length already.

[DowJones]

I don't think the Cavs will be all that motivated to trade Garland to the Magic, who just took them to 7 games, and fix what's broken with that team. He'd be perfect for them. If there are comparable offers from Orlando, N.O. and the Spurs, he's going to be headed out West.

Yeah, this has to be factored into the discussion. Garland would be a great fit with Suggs and he fits the timeline in Orlando perfectly. Unless there is some 3rd team that loves Anthony Black, there isn't much sense discussing Garland to Orlando if the Magic aren't willing to put Franz in the deal.

You never know how things shake out...it's almost NEVER that you see equal value players simply swapped for fit. Timelines, relative needs, and (now more than ever) cap issues factor in....Personally, I think frps are way overvalued, but the reality is good players often get traded for a basket of individually forgettable picks...I agree that CLE isn't likely to look at it that way, but they could have another move in mind with a bottom feeder that would love to save money discreetly and wave the "We got all of these frps" flag. I would also say that Garland looked like a lost child in the playoffs, for the most part...I know that's not who he is, I know he's a former All-Star, but he gets paid a LOT, is very small, and he didn't exactly ace that stress test. It's not like he would command a Mitchell haul.

Talking about moving Franz will get you burned out of the ORL boards... ...only time I've offered him was something around Garland AND Allen. Obviously, ORL would add - but not a lot, imo. I think Franz should be valued higher than Bridges-he shot poorly in the playoffs, but he's a 2-way, versatile, agile, crafty, fairly unstoppable going to the rim, 6'10 kid who knows how to use his length already.

I can't imagine Cleveland having any interest in Garland/Allen for Franz+ small sweetener.

The key is finding that 3rd team. Orlando needs to find a 3rd team that has an asset Cleveland would want in exchange for Garland. That team also needs to really value Anthony Black, picks, and cap relief. I just don't see that team out there.

I get not wanting to trade Franz for Garland. I won't try to blow out Franz's candle in an attempt to make Garland's burn brighter. That's just what Cleveland would need to get Garland to Orlando.

[Whole Truth]

CJ for WCJ cap space, makes more sense for NO's, than BI, mid to late picks. Someone already said it. If NO's trade for Garland in this scenario, they keep Garland over WCJ & look to move CJ. Only way NO's flip Garland, is if Spurs want him & Atlanta want to trade down to 4 for Clingan, landing #Sarr in NO's .

NO's just let Jonas 15/10 on good cost production walk because they want to upgrade the center position defensively. Green wants a C that can switch defend & ideally draw his man out the paint, see the interest in trading up for Sarr. WCJ does nothing to address that fact. He's got poor defensive #'s even on a good defensive Magic team. In that defensive environment a good defender like Isaac is listed #1 in defense among C's, while Carter is at the bottom of that list. That would suggest if WCJ went to a team with someone like CJ or Young ... lets just say, he won't look as good as he does in a Magic uniform

NO's other goal IMO is to upgrade the defensive fit with Zion & CJ at point, which is why NO's have more interest in Murray than Young. He's not viewed as an offensive upgrade to CJ's 42% spacing. Defense & contract is what NO's are valuing in Murray.

The idea behind Murray's fit in NO's.
- He's a defensive downgrade from Daniels but spacing upgrade
- He's a spacing downgrade from CJ but defensive upgrade

That's because Daniels elite defense paired better with ZIon though the spacing suffered, than CJ's elite spacing with his poor defense. Hence NO's having more interest in Murray than Young. IMO, Murray would upgrade CJ defensively now while providing better spacing than Daniels while bridging the 20yo Daniels offensive development gap. Where Murray's value contract would be easier & more valuable with the extensions coming in the new CBA. Some team like NO's are doing with BI's upcoming extension will value his production/cost/fit, same way. NO's will have the younger, better defender in Daniels progressing offensively, to effectively replace/raise the defensive ceiling.

[Skybox]

CJ for WCJ cap space, makes more sense for NO's

Yes...that would make sense for NOLA. Not ORL.

Happy to roll on with WCJ as starting Center and sign Monk for 2/3 of CJ's salary and age.

[Whole Truth]

CJ for WCJ cap space, makes more sense for NO's

Yes...that would make sense for NOLA. Not ORL.

Happy to roll on with WCJ as starting Center and sign Monk for 2/3 of CJ's salary and age.

Understandable.

What I'm valuing most in trade anyway is trading CJ into cap space. As I suggested in the Detroit player for cap space thread.

[JRoy]

Grant++ ORL assets to CLE

Garland to ORL

CLE/ORL assets to POR?

[Skybox]

Grant++ ORL assets to CLE

Garland to ORL

CLE/ORL assets to POR?

maybe...ORL'd have to pony up significantly, imo...maybe stir Brodgon in there too (for either ORL or CLE) as the assets are added up.

[DowJones]

Grant++ ORL assets to CLE

Garland to ORL

CLE/ORL assets to POR?

The Cavs wouldn’t consider a deal of Grant+ for Garland.

[jbk1234]

Does Orlando have the value without including those 3 players? Certainly. For the idea to gain traction here do you need to bring in a 3rd team to get Cleveland fans exactly what they want? Definitely. Does adding additional teams make it that much more impossible to please everyone? Indubitably.

But I'd simply start with the value. And with the cap space Orlando has, it makes it easier for sure. I'd start my offer with WCJ who gives Cleveland a big who can play with either of their current guys or is an affordable replacement if they also deal Allen. Then I'd include Black.

Then its pick time. Rights to #18(traded after pick made on behalf of Cleveland), Better of 25 DEN/ORL, 27 ORL unprotected, 29 ORL(top 4, top 1, unpt)

I think that's an overpay, but for this board its necessary.

Then if Cleveland wants Bridges, route Black and 2 of the picks to Brooklyn.
If Cleveland wants BI, route Carter and one of the picks to New Orleans

But this is doable if Cleveland is really open to trade him. The value isn't remotely an issue.

I don't think the Cavs will be all that motivated to trade Garland to the Magic, who just took them to 7 games, and fix what's broken with that team. He'd be perfect for them. If there are comparable offers from Orlando, N.O. and the Spurs, he's going to be headed out West.

Yeah, this has to be factored into the discussion. Garland would be a great fit with Suggs and he fits the timeline in Orlando perfectly. Unless there is some 3rd team that loves Anthony Black, there isn't much sense discussing Garland to Orlando if the Magic aren't willing to put Franz in the deal.

Or Suggs, but yes. Both the Spurs and Pelicans can easily match this offer, and if it comes down to mainly picks, the Nets can beat it. Even if the Cavs conclude that they have to move Garland due to Klutch, they should wait until the season is well under way.. Hope springs enternal before the draft and free agency in terms of filing holes. A week into free agency becomes what do we do now time. Two months into the season becomes this isn't working time.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Is this possible without including Paolo, Franz, Suggs?

You might get Cleveland to consider Cole Anthony, Wendall Carter, Jr. #18 and 2025 FRP.

You might be more likely to get Atlanta to accept that for Murray. If we assume Sarr is going #1 then Atlanta could end up with something like: Trae-Bogdanovic-Johnson-Carter-Capela as their starters with Sarr, Anthony, Hunter, Okongwu, Bufkin, Mathews and #18 for a decent bench. Tyler Kolek could make sense at #18 for them.

[tidho]

Is this possible without including Paolo, Franz, Suggs?

You might get Cleveland to consider Cole Anthony, Wendall Carter, Jr. #18 and 2025 FRP.

I think CLE fans would be pretty disappointed with that trade. Feels a little too 'rebuildy' for most.