Complete the Mavs Challenge

[hugepatsfan]

Challenge here is to to get the Mavs one more piece that I think they need. Ideal target is someone who can start at SF and do the following:

1) defend well to cover for Luka/Kyrie
2) moderate level of shot creation to where if they’re in a series like now against Boston and the other team isn’t doubling to let Luka and Kyrie create for everyone else at their normal level, a guy who adequately attack the defense himself out of those one on one matchups.
3) doesn’t need to be a sniper but someone who can convert open looks generated for them by Luka at a reasonable clip

Dallas gives UP TO (total 24-25 outgoing salary = $

G/F Tim Hardaway Jr. (1 year, $16.2M)
F/C Maxi Kleber (2 years, $22.0M)
G/F Josh Green (3 years, $41.0M)***
first round picks in 25 and 31 (protections depend on trade)
Up to 4 2nd rounders (too lazy to list specifically)

Can also add Prosper as a prospect throw in or Powell for more salary as needed.

Can also pull in third teams as needed if there’s some salary to reroute or maybe a bigger deal like potentially… Dallas traded filler salaries plus picks for their wing and then that team turns the Dallas filler salary and assets plus their own for a bigger upgrade. That type of thing.

Also, consider their salary situation. They’re about $13.8M under the 2nd apron and $3.0M below the first right now. DJJ is unsigned. Depending on this deal they may want to try and keep him after too.

The cleanest deal I see is Wiggins. Dallas trades those salaries and one of those picks for him. Throw in the 2nds to dump THJ on a 3rd team. GS saves some money, adds another asset that they can add to their own for a bigger upgrade maybe. But they’re win now so probably dependent on other moves.

Jerami Grant fits as well. These salaries (again, dump THJ on a 3rd team) saves them some money adds an asset and a couple rotation players they can try to flip later.

Curious if anyone sees anything else out there that works for them and the other team(s).

[Colbinii]

Dallas Out: Tim Hardaway Jr, Daniel Gafford, 2025 DAL 1st (Unprotected), 2025 TOR 2nd
Dallas In: Kyle Kuzma

Oklahoma City Out: 2025 MIA 1st, Kenrich Williams
Oklahoma City In: Daniel Gafford

Washington Out: Kyle Kuzma
Washington In: Tim Hardaway Jr, Kenrich Williams, 2025 DAL 1st (Unprotected), 2025 MIA 1st, 2025 TOR 2nd

[hugepatsfan]

Not sure Kuzma is the right guy. Definitely fits on offense. But who’s guarding the perimeter? They really need that SF to be able to guard on the outside because Luka and and Kyrie are so bad. Kuzma showed in LA he can play good defense if he buys into the role, but not sure he’s the kind of defender Dallas needs at that spot.

I also think Dallas should be very reluctant to move Gafford, even with Lively. With Kyrie and Luka they are always going to struggle stopping the other teams best player from getting into the paint. 48 minutes of great rim protection will be key for them to limit how much everyone else has to help inside and leave shooters open. If Gafford has to go for a significant piece then so be it, but wouldn’t love him for Kuzma. IMO of course

[jayjaysee]

Don’t blame the threads for starting now, but there has to be some hope of Kyrie getting right back in Dallas? And maybe momentum carrying him back into Boston? Or maybe they let him wear earplugs…

I don’t know.

But I like Wiggins or Grant in Dallas. Like Kuzma less. Hunter and Cam are other options that seem realistic.

I’m one that really likes Patrick Williams, so I think I’d build a sign and trade with THJ, Maxi, 2025 first, 2025 second with some third team getting THJ and seconds(s) if he wants to be on Dallas on a number that keeps MLE available.. PJ/Patrick/DJJ are a nice forward trio and you always keep a Gafford/Lively at center. Just need Green/Hardy/Exum to develop a bit of consistency..

I’d trade pretty much every youth asset/pick Dallas has for Kuminga, if some team wanted a volume package for their star instead of Kuminga and two firsts… I think Kuminga will be ready to be third option next year and can develop into second option while Kyrie is still elite.

[Astaluego]

Don’t blame the threads for starting now, but there has to be some hope of Kyrie getting right back in Dallas? And maybe momentum carrying him back into Boston? Or maybe they let him wear earplugs…

I don’t know.

But I like Wiggins or Grant in Dallas. Like Kuzma less. Hunter and Cam are other options that seem realistic.

I’m one that really likes Patrick Williams, so I think I’d build a sign and trade with THJ, Maxi, 2025 first, 2025 second with some third team getting THJ and seconds(s) if he wants to be on Dallas on a number that keeps MLE available.. PJ/Patrick/DJJ are a nice forward trio and you always keep a Gafford/Lively at center. Just need Green/Hardy/Exum to develop a bit of consistency..

I’d trade pretty much every youth asset/pick Dallas has for Kuminga, if some team wanted a volume package for their star instead of Kuminga and two firsts… I think Kuminga will be ready to be third option next year and can develop into second option while Kyrie is still elite.

I agree with what you wrote, thinking that someone like Brogdon could help us too

[gswhoops]

I know he's persona non grata here, but the good version of Wiggins checks all of those boxes and is likely available for the assets Dallas has to offer.

THJ/Maxi/maybe a 2nd round pick for Wiggins is a deal I think both teams can ultimately live with.

Gafford/Lively/Powell
PJW/DJJ/OMP
Wiggins/DJJ
Kyrie/Green/Hardy
Luka/Exum

(MLE Big)/TJD
Draymond/Maxi
Kuminga/THJ
Klay/Moody
Curry/Podz

[Texas Chuck]

Don’t blame the threads for starting now,

Me either, though it stings a bit more coming a Boston guy...

His Wiggins/Grant suggestions though are certainly things we've thrown around. I don't know that Wiggins solves the offensive woes he talks about( though an upgrade over Jones at that end for sure) nor Grant the defensive ones, but for what Dallas has to offer, you are looking at flawed options....

[hugepatsfan]

I know he's persona non grata here, but the good version of Wiggins checks all of those boxes and is likely available for the assets Dallas has to offer.

THJ/Maxi/maybe a 2nd round pick for Wiggins is a deal I think both teams can ultimately live with.

Gafford/Lively/Powell
PJW/DJJ/OMP
Wiggins/DJJ
Kyrie/Green/Hardy
Luka/Exum

(MLE Big)/TJD
Draymond/Maxi
Kuminga/THJ
Klay/Moody
Curry/Podz

Oh I agree. Combining what Dallas has to offer and the need Wiggins is the gold standard here amongst realistic options.

I’m skeptical your Warriors would actually sell low on him like this though. They seem to be clinging on to the hope that they can have another run with Steph and think hoping Wiggins bounces back is a better bet than whatever value he has left. Dallas would have to overpay, which honestly might be worth it.

One other nitpick is that in your Dallas lineup it might be either or for Green or DJJ. To free up the MLE to keep him they might have to dump Green in this scenario.

What about this:

GSW gives: Wiggins
GSW gets: Josh Green, Kleber, 2031 Dallas 1st

DAL gives: Green, THJ, Kleber, 31 1st, 2nds
DAL gets: Wiggins

DET gives: nothing
DET gets: THJ, 2nds

Dallas overpays but gets their good fit while also opening cap to keep DJJ, who they prefer to Green. GSW gets some rotation pieces and another pick to use in trades. Presumably they’d want to re-sign Klay and then move some of the other contracts (including ones from Dallas) with picks and/or young players for more win now help. DET gets a playable shooter and some 2nds for their cap.

[gswhoops]

I know he's persona non grata here, but the good version of Wiggins checks all of those boxes and is likely available for the assets Dallas has to offer.

THJ/Maxi/maybe a 2nd round pick for Wiggins is a deal I think both teams can ultimately live with.

Gafford/Lively/Powell
PJW/DJJ/OMP
Wiggins/DJJ
Kyrie/Green/Hardy
Luka/Exum

(MLE Big)/TJD
Draymond/Maxi
Kuminga/THJ
Klay/Moody
Curry/Podz

Oh I agree. Combining what Dallas has to offer and the need Wiggins is the gold standard here amongst realistic options.

I’m skeptical your Warriors would actually sell low on him like this though. They seem to be clinging on to the hope that they can have another run with Steph and think hoping Wiggins bounces back is a better bet than whatever value he has left. Dallas would have to overpay, which honestly might be worth it.

One other nitpick is that in your Dallas lineup it might be either or for Green or DJJ. To free up the MLE to keep him they might have to dump Green in this scenario.

What about this:

GSW gives: Wiggins
GSW gets: Josh Green, Kleber, 2031 Dallas 1st

DAL gives: Green, THJ, Kleber, 31 1st, 2nds
DAL gets: Wiggins

DET gives: nothing
DET gets: THJ, 2nds

Dallas overpays but gets their good fit while also opening cap to keep DJJ, who they prefer to Green. GSW gets some rotation pieces and another pick to use in trades. Presumably they’d want to re-sign Klay and then move some of the other contracts (including ones from Dallas) with picks and/or young players for more win now help. DET gets a playable shooter and some 2nds for their cap.

The appeal of THJ to the Warriors is that he's off the books before Kuminga's (and possibly Moody's) extension/FA. I don't think we would do Green in his place.

If Detroit is willing to eat him for the '31 1st (with reasonable protections I assume) then just flipping them makes sense.

[Godaddycurse]

THJ/GPII/2nds (1 each from GSW and DAL?) to Toronto
Brown/Maxi to GSW
Wiggins to Dallas

[ACMFFL]

Giving up a first (2031) that far out to turn Green/THJ/Kleber into Wiggo is DOA.

[hugepatsfan]

I know he's persona non grata here, but the good version of Wiggins checks all of those boxes and is likely available for the assets Dallas has to offer.

THJ/Maxi/maybe a 2nd round pick for Wiggins is a deal I think both teams can ultimately live with.

Gafford/Lively/Powell
PJW/DJJ/OMP
Wiggins/DJJ
Kyrie/Green/Hardy
Luka/Exum

(MLE Big)/TJD
Draymond/Maxi
Kuminga/THJ
Klay/Moody
Curry/Podz

Oh I agree. Combining what Dallas has to offer and the need Wiggins is the gold standard here amongst realistic options.

I’m skeptical your Warriors would actually sell low on him like this though. They seem to be clinging on to the hope that they can have another run with Steph and think hoping Wiggins bounces back is a better bet than whatever value he has left. Dallas would have to overpay, which honestly might be worth it.

One other nitpick is that in your Dallas lineup it might be either or for Green or DJJ. To free up the MLE to keep him they might have to dump Green in this scenario.

What about this:

GSW gives: Wiggins
GSW gets: Josh Green, Kleber, 2031 Dallas 1st

DAL gives: Green, THJ, Kleber, 31 1st, 2nds
DAL gets: Wiggins

DET gives: nothing
DET gets: THJ, 2nds

Dallas overpays but gets their good fit while also opening cap to keep DJJ, who they prefer to Green. GSW gets some rotation pieces and another pick to use in trades. Presumably they’d want to re-sign Klay and then move some of the other contracts (including ones from Dallas) with picks and/or young players for more win now help. DET gets a playable shooter and some 2nds for their cap.

The appeal of THJ to the Warriors is that he's off the books before Kuminga's (and possibly Moody's) extension/FA. I don't think we would do Green in his place.

If Detroit is willing to eat him for the '31 1st (with reasonable protections I assume) then just flipping them makes sense.

My guess would be you could amend it just send Green to DET and THJ to GSW. The Pistons still get the 2nds and GSW still the first.

I still think the warriors would demand an overpay for the step down in talent. I think Green is a young enough 3&D type that DET would take him for 2nds still.

[BlazersBroncos]

I think THKJ / Maxi / Prosper should be enough for Wiggins. Maybe add a SRP.

Dont see any chance Wiggins returns a FRP.

[hugepatsfan]

Giving up a first that far out to turn Green/THJ/Kleber into Wiggo is DOA.

It’s definitely not great value. But I don’t think they got great value on the Gafford/PJ deals either in that sense. And I wouldn’t advocate compounding bad value with more bad value…

But I think there’s something to be said for what a generational talent Luka is truly capable of leading a team to a title with the right help. And unfortunately Dallas’s asset pool is somewhat limited because they gave up a 1st for him, made a failed Porzingis trade, had to trade for his co star in Kyrie (vs drafting or signing) and they gave up picks for some role players already. It’s limited means to get the necessary pieces around him. And the piece I think they specifically need is a wing who can defend, shoot, and create for himself at a decent or better rate for all 3 categories - that’s maybe the most valued archetype in the whole league besides elite players in general.

The presence of Luka should have them in constant win now mode and the lack of assets could force them into some C+ type of solutions vs home run moves. But union they have to consider those.

[hugepatsfan]

I think THKJ / Maxi / Prosper should be enough for Wiggins. Maybe add a SRP.

Dont see any chance Wiggins returns a FRP.

I agree 1000% if Wiggins were on a rebuilding team. Or even a middle of the pack team like GSW is most of the tome. But they have Steph Curry so they’re going to be more win now than most teams in that spot and just not sure they’d take a downgrade for less than an overpay.

And Wiggins certainly isn’t a “get at all costs” guy, but I don’t see a TON of options for Dallas with what they need and what they have. And they’re so close that I think even a Wiggins type could get them over the hump.

[gswhoops]

I think THKJ / Maxi / Prosper should be enough for Wiggins. Maybe add a SRP.

Dont see any chance Wiggins returns a FRP.

I agree 1000% if Wiggins were on a rebuilding team. Or even a middle of the pack team like GSW is most of the tome. But they have Steph Curry so they’re going to be more win now than most teams in that spot and just not sure they’d take a downgrade for less than an overpay.

And Wiggins certainly isn’t a “get at all costs” guy, but I don’t see a TON of options for Dallas with what they need and what they have. And they’re so close that I think even a Wiggins type could get them over the hump.

I think the Warriors may be more motivated than we've generally let on to move Wiggins this offseason. Our owner has talked a decent amount publicly about getting our finances in order, and Kuminga appears to be the future at SF for better or worse.

Salary relief attached to some playable guys and a 2nd ought to get it done. I would obviously love to get a 1st but that doesn't seem realistic.

[brackdan70]

Could they get Caruso from Chicago?

[esvl]

These moves solve nothing

[hugepatsfan]

Don’t blame the threads for starting now,

Me either, though it stings a bit more coming a Boston guy...

His Wiggins/Grant suggestions though are certainly things we've thrown around. I don't know that Wiggins solves the offensive woes he talks about( though an upgrade over Jones at that end for sure) nor Grant the defensive ones, but for what Dallas has to offer, you are looking at flawed options....

Agreed on Grant, because he’s duplicative with PJ on the defensive end vs DJJ type that can pick up the ball.

On Wiggins, my thought is that when Luka (or Kyrie) are doubled he can hit 3s well enough that they create for him. But in a series like this, BOS isn’t really doubling or blitzing Luka with normal frequency. They’re just fighting hard with off ball screens to make sure Holiday/White/Brown/Tatum are on him. Because Luka isn’t freakishly explosive even Horford can do a passable job on the switch, though they try to keep him off him. When I saw “passable” I still mean Luka is getting his efficient 30-10 like last night but not some crazy 40-15 game like he can do. But with BOS going this, you can run an iso play for Wiggins to attack one of the weaker defenders that BOS is working so hard to keep off Luka (Porzingis, Hauser, Pritchard). Make it harder for BOS to hide those guys and steal some baskets.

I think they need a guy who can do that at SF while filling DJJ’s defensive role. Wiggins seems solid for that IMO. Again, relative to what they can realistically afford.

[jbk1234]

I know RealGM is a hot take factory, but this series isn't even over yet. Also, I've never really liked the idea of constructing a roster to get past a Finals opponent. Just getting to the Finals is a daunting task and you never really know who you'll face when you get there. The Celtics are a really good team, but they're not the 73-win Warriors adding Durant.