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LaMelo Ball for Fred VanVleet and 3rd Overall

The Hornets decide to rebuild around 3rd and 6th with Brandon Miller and more flexibility moving forward after seeing a limited ceiling with their young core around Ball.

The Rockets take a shot on a point guard that could end up being a bad contract or the player that takes them to the next level. Getting Ball without losing Green is huge and they would have a really nice team at full health.

I think Houston owes a little value, maybe one of its non-premium future 1sts, but I could see this working out. FVV probably needs to go to a third team ... Minnesota? I know that basically forces a larger trade involving Towns, they are just the first team that comes to mind as one that FVV would be a nice fit.

babyjax13 wrote:I think Houston owes a little value, maybe one of its non-premium future 1sts, but I could see this working out. FVV probably needs to go to a third team ... Minnesota? I know that basically forces a larger trade involving Towns, they are just the first team that comes to mind as one that FVV would be a nice fit.

#3 and FVV to Minny?

Colbinii wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:I think Houston owes a little value, maybe one of its non-premium future 1sts, but I could see this working out. FVV probably needs to go to a third team ... Minnesota? I know that basically forces a larger trade involving Towns, they are just the first team that comes to mind as one that FVV would be a nice fit.

#3 and FVV to Minny?

I think 3 goes to Charlotte and FVV to Minnesota, but Towns goes to a fourth team that sends value for him + maybe some value to Charlotte. I know, very abstract.

I’m struggling to see how Ball + 6 is a limited ceiling compared to 3 + 6 with FVV. We have to pay FVV to do nothing useful for 2 years for and hope like, Castle or Sheppard going to be the franchise savior? We’d be better off with LaMelo either playing or rolling his ankle 10 times and not playing and take a shot at the draft next year than committing to this draft and FVV

There’s no reason to trade LaMelo for anything less than 3 picks especially if one of them is from this draft

On a value evaluation Houston has to do this I think but I'm not particularly interested in Ball on my team personally

I don't understand this for CHA. They don't have ant financial trouble that dictates starting a rebuild. LaMelo might not be perfect, but hard to argue he's not a better piece to move forward with than the #3 pick in this draft.

For CHA to move Melo at this juncture I think it would have to be a singular prospect or player who really makes it worth resetting with. #3 in this draft doesn't seem to have a prospect like that and FVV is a good player but pretty meaningless in the context of a deal like this.

I suggested last year that Hou sends #4 and #20 for Melo, and maybe a future 1st. Hou had cap space to absorb him
His value has dropped, and I think Hou is better off with what they have, and the #3

Vleet to SA or Orl for cap space and a protected low value first.
Melo to Houston.
3 and brk 2026 first to cha. Maybe Tate and Landale also as filler.

It seems light to me, even with Ball's problems...on the court he is worth much more, at least one of Eason/Whitmore should go to the Hornets... Would Jazz launch ..T.Hendrickd/K.George/10 +2 FRP..?

I don't know that this is the deal, but I would absolutely be trying to lowkey sell on Ball as Charlotte.

Houston would need to add more and idk if Ball really fits. It kinda destroys the defensive identity they have been trying to establish.

I love this whole "Charlotte should trade Ball to build around Miller" thing and how little thought is put into these posts every time.

LaMelo and Miller's skillsets fit very well together, it takes more than one star to win in today's NBA, and there's no guarantee Miller is even a star.

Prior to the lottery, all I heard is that the #3 pick (which is what Charlotte would've had before the lottery) in this draft was trash and would yield very little in a trade.

Charlotte paid him the big bucks and will live with the outcome. The chances of LaMelo's ankle holding up are likely higher than someone like Reed Sheppard becoming a player of that caliber.

This isn't realistic, the Hornets would never do a deal like that and it's very low value.

HornetJail wrote:I love this whole "Charlotte should trade Ball to build around Miller" thing and how little thought is put into these posts every time.

LaMelo and Miller's skillsets fit very well together, it takes more than one star to win in today's NBA, and there's no guarantee Miller is even a star.

Prior to the lottery, all I heard is that the #3 pick (which is what Charlotte would've had before the lottery) in this draft was trash and would yield very little in a trade.

Charlotte paid him the big bucks and will live with the outcome. The chances of LaMelo's ankle holding up are likely higher than someone like Reed Sheppard becoming a player of that caliber.

This board is absolutely dog water for Hornets deals, people cannot even attempt to justify half the trades we are thrown in just to poach our players. Last year we were supposed to trade Miller/Mark Williams and multiple picks for freaking Towns, and mods here would have locked threads if you’d make a thread suggesting we get 1st round picks for Terry and PJ

Now everyone wants to rip us off for LaMelo with the justification of “need to rebuild” (???) or brain dead “I just don’t like the guy, I’d want to move on” irrational posting

TLDR only use this board to laugh at if you’re a hornets fan

HornetJail wrote:I love this whole "Charlotte should trade Ball to build around Miller" thing and how little thought is put into these posts every time.

Just because someone has a different view on if Ball is worth building around doesn't mean they put little thought into it. People are allowed different opinions. And honestly with how mediocre or worse Charlotte has been since he was added, it feels like there is plenty of justification for that position, no?

KembaWalker wrote:This board is absolutely dog water for Hornets deals, people cannot even attempt to justify half the trades we are thrown in just to poach our players. Last year we were supposed to trade Miller/Mark Williams and multiple picks for freaking Towns, and mods here would have locked threads if you’d make a thread suggesting we get 1st round picks for Terry and PJ

So the last line is laughably false. We don't lock threads because of any kind of value difference.

As to the rest, if you need an echo chamber, PM me and I will be happy to find you one. But this board is going tocontinue to allow for opinions that include posters valuing the players on your favorite team differently from you.

And the irony of you inventing mods locking certain threads that you like, while trying to keep other posters from having opinions you don't like is rich. B

Texas Chuck wrote:

HornetJail wrote:I love this whole "Charlotte should trade Ball to build around Miller" thing and how little thought is put into these posts every time.

Just because someone has a different view on if Ball is worth building around doesn't mean they put little thought into it. People are allowed different opinions. And honestly with how mediocre or worse Charlotte has been since he was added, it feels like there is plenty of justification for that position, no?

This is such tacky, low quality bait that a mod should be above even posting

“The team has been bad since drafting Ball, you can’t complain about low value offers!!”

I’d be embarrassed if I made an offer like this to Raptors fans for Scottie Barnes because they suck with him as their guy.

KembaWalker wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

HornetJail wrote:I love this whole "Charlotte should trade Ball to build around Miller" thing and how little thought is put into these posts every time.

Just because someone has a different view on if Ball is worth building around doesn't mean they put little thought into it. People are allowed different opinions. And honestly with how mediocre or worse Charlotte has been since he was added, it feels like there is plenty of justification for that position, no?

This is such tacky, low quality bait that a mod should be above even posting

“The team has been bad since drafting Ball, you can’t complain about low value offers!!”

I’d be embarrassed if I made an offer like this to Raptors fans for Scottie Barnes because they suck with him as their guy.

I didn't say one word about you can't complain about low offers.

And when discussing if a team should build around a player, how successful they have nor have not been is highly relevant and not at all baiting.

I get you disagree. Cool. This is supposed to be a board of differing opinions. You seem to the guy here most unable to deal with different opinions though.

KembaWalker wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

HornetJail wrote:I love this whole "Charlotte should trade Ball to build around Miller" thing and how little thought is put into these posts every time.

Just because someone has a different view on if Ball is worth building around doesn't mean they put little thought into it. People are allowed different opinions. And honestly with how mediocre or worse Charlotte has been since he was added, it feels like there is plenty of justification for that position, no?

This is such tacky, low quality bait that a mod should be above even posting

“The team has been bad since drafting Ball, you can’t complain about low value offers!!”

I’d be embarrassed if I made an offer like this to Raptors fans for Scottie Barnes because they suck with him as their guy.

51, 75, 36, 22

That's how many games LeMelo has played in his career.

Like it or not a top 5 pick (in any draft) and an above average positional replacement is a good offer. Availability is the most important ability.