Can Celtics extend Tatum and White?

[Laimbeer]

This would be the salary picture for 2025-26 if they extended both. I assumed Tatum's option would be replaced by a $60M salary (5/315) and White's contract would mirror Jrue's.

Is this close to right and any chance it could be compliant with the future salary caps?

Payton Pritchard $7,232,143
Derrick White $32,400,000
Jaylen Brown $53,676,000
Jayson Tatum $60,000,000
Kristaps Porziņģis $30,731,707
Jrue Holiday $32,400,000

$216,439,850 for six players

[jayjaysee]

I feel like you don’t trade for KP or Jrue if you’re not signing up for those couple years of overlap.

Drop back under the second apron when Jrue expires and this group can be compared to the all time teams..

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[hugepatsfan]

https://nesn.com/2024/06/celtics-rumors-derrick-white-to-seek-offseason-contract-extension/

White reportedly will seek an extension. He would be limited to a starting salary of $28.1M on any extension, which is about a $4.3M decrease from what you have there. FWIW

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/06/11/business/celtics-owner-wyc-grousbeck-money-nba-finals/?s_campaign=audience:reddit

Here's an article from today with their owner. He talks about how he set the partnership up as a hobby rather than to make money. Someone in our forum did the math and they bought the team for $360M in 2002 and value as of last year is estimated at $4.7 billion. So it doubles every 2 years... any partner who wants to make money can cash out by selling their share I think.

My guess is they extend both Tatum and White this offseason. They're both already under contract for next year. Then they'd be under contract for 2025-26 in the figures the OP stated. That'd be a massive tax bill, but they seem intent on maximizing the window. Then in the years that follow they'll make some cost cutting moves as needed. Porzingis will be a free agent after this year so they'll get some relief for that, though obviously he'd need to be replaced.

All indications are they're gonna foot the massive bill to give this core a multi year run though. We'll see if they follow through.

[Devilanche]

Assuming they win this season and come real close next season, odds are the 6 will really come back again and be filled with vet min. It’s all about how they perform before deciding if the team deserve another shot , luxury tax be damned or otherwise .

[Skybox]

Look at GSW...this is a no-brainer as long as they're winning. Keep it rolling. No problem selling expensive tickets and beers in Beantown.

[Laimbeer]

https://nesn.com/2024/06/celtics-rumors-derrick-white-to-seek-offseason-contract-extension/

White reportedly will seek an extension. He would be limited to a starting salary of $28.1M on any extension, which is about a $4.3M decrease from what you have there. FWIW

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/06/11/business/celtics-owner-wyc-grousbeck-money-nba-finals/?s_campaign=audience:reddit

Here's an article from today with their owner. He talks about how he set the partnership up as a hobby rather than to make money. Someone in our forum did the math and they bought the team for $360M in 2002 and value as of last year is estimated at $4.7 billion. So it doubles every 2 years... any partner who wants to make money can cash out by selling their share I think.

My guess is they extend both Tatum and White this offseason. They're both already under contract for next year. Then they'd be under contract for 2025-26 in the figures the OP stated. That'd be a massive tax bill, but they seem intent on maximizing the window. Then in the years that follow they'll make some cost cutting moves as needed. Porzingis will be a free agent after this year so they'll get some relief for that, though obviously he'd need to be replaced.

All indications are they're gonna foot the massive bill to give this core a multi year run though. We'll see if they follow through.

I was thinking more in terms of the cap rules even allowing them to do it, not that ownership wouldn't foot the bill.

[TimDunkin]

They seem set up to be a real test case for the second apron's impact on team building.

[drchaos]

Unless White takes a one year deal to try for a second chip I think he leave for the highest bidder as an unrestricted free agent.

[giberish]

https://nesn.com/2024/06/celtics-rumors-derrick-white-to-seek-offseason-contract-extension/

White reportedly will seek an extension. He would be limited to a starting salary of $28.1M on any extension, which is about a $4.3M decrease from what you have there. FWIW

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/06/11/business/celtics-owner-wyc-grousbeck-money-nba-finals/?s_campaign=audience:reddit

Here's an article from today with their owner. He talks about how he set the partnership up as a hobby rather than to make money. Someone in our forum did the math and they bought the team for $360M in 2002 and value as of last year is estimated at $4.7 billion. So it doubles every 2 years... any partner who wants to make money can cash out by selling their share I think.

My guess is they extend both Tatum and White this offseason. They're both already under contract for next year. Then they'd be under contract for 2025-26 in the figures the OP stated. That'd be a massive tax bill, but they seem intent on maximizing the window. Then in the years that follow they'll make some cost cutting moves as needed. Porzingis will be a free agent after this year so they'll get some relief for that, though obviously he'd need to be replaced.

All indications are they're gonna foot the massive bill to give this core a multi year run though. We'll see if they follow through.

I was thinking more in terms of the cap rules even allowing them to do it, not that ownership wouldn't foot the bill.

There's really nothing to stop a team from spending like this on their core guys. The 2nd apron rules will make it difficult for Boston to have any depth behind them.

[DrModesty]

White should be able to get OG money (north of $40m assumedly), so while he may stay with the Celtics for the amounts being touted here, I would doubt it. The Kings and Orlando are both teams that make sense to go FVV+ at him.

[patman66]

This would be the salary picture for 2025-26 if they extended both. I assumed Tatum's option would be replaced by a $60M salary (5/315) and White's contract would mirror Jrue's.

Is this close to right and any chance it could be compliant with the future salary caps?

Payton Pritchard $7,232,143
Derrick White $32,400,000
Jaylen Brown $53,676,000
Jayson Tatum $60,000,000
Kristaps Porziņģis $30,731,707
Jrue Holiday $32,400,000

$216,439,850 for six players

The owners say they will pay. They must figure the new tv money is going to pay them more than what they paid for the team 20 years ago.

[patman66]

https://nesn.com/2024/06/celtics-rumors-derrick-white-to-seek-offseason-contract-extension/

White reportedly will seek an extension. He would be limited to a starting salary of $28.1M on any extension, which is about a $4.3M decrease from what you have there. FWIW

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/06/11/business/celtics-owner-wyc-grousbeck-money-nba-finals/?s_campaign=audience:reddit

Here's an article from today with their owner. He talks about how he set the partnership up as a hobby rather than to make money. Someone in our forum did the math and they bought the team for $360M in 2002 and value as of last year is estimated at $4.7 billion. So it doubles every 2 years... any partner who wants to make money can cash out by selling their share I think.

My guess is they extend both Tatum and White this offseason. They're both already under contract for next year. Then they'd be under contract for 2025-26 in the figures the OP stated. That'd be a massive tax bill, but they seem intent on maximizing the window. Then in the years that follow they'll make some cost cutting moves as needed. Porzingis will be a free agent after this year so they'll get some relief for that, though obviously he'd need to be replaced.

All indications are they're gonna foot the massive bill to give this core a multi year run though. We'll see if they follow through.

I was thinking more in terms of the cap rules even allowing them to do it, not that ownership wouldn't foot the bill.

There's really nothing to stop a team from spending like this on their core guys. The 2nd apron rules will make it difficult for Boston to have any depth behind them.

yeah, hauser's last year will be next summer. Pritchard is signed, They will sign one ring chaser for the taxpayer MLE and ther are always a coupe of vet mins to be had.

[giberish]

I was thinking more in terms of the cap rules even allowing them to do it, not that ownership wouldn't foot the bill.

There's really nothing to stop a team from spending like this on their core guys. The 2nd apron rules will make it difficult for Boston to have any depth behind them.

yeah, hauser's last year will be next summer. Pritchard is signed, They will sign one ring chaser for the taxpayer MLE and ther are always a coupe of vet mins to be had.

If they're over the 2nd apron they won't have anything above the vet min. They also won't be able to sign some ring chaser types (I think if you made over a min salary the year before you can't sign as a FA with a double apron team.

Granted I don't know when Boston will push over the 2nd apron keeping their core together. They may have a year or two.

[patman66]

There's really nothing to stop a team from spending like this on their core guys. The 2nd apron rules will make it difficult for Boston to have any depth behind them.

yeah, hauser's last year will be next summer. Pritchard is signed, They will sign one ring chaser for the taxpayer MLE and ther are always a coupe of vet mins to be had.

If they're over the 2nd apron they won't have anything above the vet min. They also won't be able to sign some ring chaser types (I think if you made over a min salary the year before you can't sign as a FA with a double apron team.

Granted I don't know when Boston will push over the 2nd apron keeping their core together. They may have a year or two.

Yeah, but they do have their draft picks, and they can keep Al next year too he is signed. Is is just Hauser that gets 15 min that will need to be replaced.

[brackdan70]

This would be the salary picture for 2025-26 if they extended both. I assumed Tatum's option would be replaced by a $60M salary (5/315) and White's contract would mirror Jrue's.

Is this close to right and any chance it could be compliant with the future salary caps?

Payton Pritchard $7,232,143
Derrick White $32,400,000
Jaylen Brown $53,676,000
Jayson Tatum $60,000,000
Kristaps Porziņģis $30,731,707
Jrue Holiday $32,400,000

$216,439,850 for six players

If White extends his max is a bit less. I think around 4/123, starting at 27ish for 25/26. If he goes to FA I expect similar to Jrue.

[hugepatsfan]

If BOS really wanted to, they could duck under the 2nd apron for this upcoming season pretty painlessly FWIW. That would delay repeater penalties down the line if they intend to stay over it. All they have to do is salary dump Payton Pritchard and Jaden Springer and replace them with minimum guys. They have all their 1sts (except 2029, and 2028 has swap rights to SAS attached) and some extra 2nds to include in salary dump deals as needed.

Pritchard's extension wasn't seen favorably at the time, but he played really well this year, has done enough to stick in a playoff rotation so far (big question for him with his size) and the rising cap makes all deals look cheaper over time. Maybe I'm biased, but cap space teams like ORL, SAS and DET all could fit in theory for him and teams can use the MLE via trade now, which Pritchard fits into, so I'd expect that if BOS were motivated to they could find a buyer for his deal. Maybe they attach 2nds for the money taken on, but I'm not sure they'd need to. And while Pritchard has played well and is better than a Cam Payne type of vet min signing (as an example), I think BOS could make that salary dump and signing and still be materially the same team they are now. If they do want to keep this group together and duck the 2nd apron, swapping Pritchard for a vet min seems a modest tradeoff to make.

Jaden Springer has done nothing in his 3 year career to justify his $4.0M salary and, in theory, should cost assets to dump. But knowing that this math is what it is, they still chose to take on his contract via a trade exception and give up a 2nd to do so at the deadline. So my guess off of that is that dipping below the 2nd apron this year won't be a priority for them. Or they just LOVED Springer so much that they had to have him anyway, which seems unlikely.

If they don't still see good developmental potential in Springer, I actually suspect that they could try to use Springer's $4.1M salary via trade. They can't take back more than they send out in a deal or aggregate salaries, but they can trade him for a guy making less than him. That enables them to take a player from another draft class who's maybe fallen out of favor in their 2 year careers so far. BOS has picks to add, like I mentioned above. If BOS added their #30 pick this year, future 2nd rounder(s) or even future 1st maybe they could get a buy low prospect they like more.

[jbk1234]

White should be able to get OG money (north of $40m assumedly), so while he may stay with the Celtics for the amounts being touted here, I would doubt it. The Kings and Orlando are both teams that make sense to go FVV+ at him.

I like White, but paying him $40M per is probably a mistake. He's on a team where the other 4 starters are really good offensive players. The Celtics have not one, but two stretch fives. Whites's offensive limitations are going to be more glaring elsewhere. Maybe a team like the Jazz can justify that type of outlay if his addition maximizes the potential of a Sexton and Lauri core, but it would have to be a special case like that.

[DrModesty]

White should be able to get OG money (north of $40m assumedly), so while he may stay with the Celtics for the amounts being touted here, I would doubt it. The Kings and Orlando are both teams that make sense to go FVV+ at him.

I like White, but paying him $40M per is probably a mistake. He's on a team where the other 4 starters are really good offensive players. The Celtics have not one, but two stretch fives. Whites's offensive limitations are going to be more glaring elsewhere. Maybe a team like the Jazz can justify that type of outlay if his addition maximizes the potential of a Sexton and Lauri core, but it would have to be a special case like that.

Yeah, I don't know how good I'd feel about that contract either. But it is the same with OG, where paying him virtually a max doesn't feel great but the demand for talents of their level and portability is very high.

[R-DAWG]

White should be able to get OG money (north of $40m assumedly), so while he may stay with the Celtics for the amounts being touted here, I would doubt it. The Kings and Orlando are both teams that make sense to go FVV+ at him.

I like White, but paying him $40M per is probably a mistake. He's on a team where the other 4 starters are really good offensive players. The Celtics have not one, but two stretch fives. Whites's offensive limitations are going to be more glaring elsewhere. Maybe a team like the Jazz can justify that type of outlay if his addition maximizes the potential of a Sexton and Lauri core, but it would have to be a special case like that.

This. White looks great in this system but if you use cap space to sign him to a 30-40mm deal you need something different out of him. So if im Derrick white and the Celtics offer me an extension in the 4 year, $100-120mm range I'm not chancing going into free agency for me.

The Celtics are running this back next year with everyone still under contract. The real questions come in after next season when Al Horford is turning 40 and KP is a free agent (on top of Jrue turning 36 with a ton of miles on him).