New King in New York

[Colbinii]

New York Out: #38, TPE [Obi Toppin Trade]
New York In: Davion Mitchell

Sacramento Out: Davion Mitchell
Sacramento In: #38

The Knicks add a 3+D PG to bolster their depth at back-up Guard.

The Kings clear additional space to work under the Tax and utilize the Full MLE while getting another look at an Early 2nd Round Pick [Also own #45].

[OGSactownballer]

This is only useful to open space. Otherwise it’s not really very worthwhile. There are better possible trades out there for Davion.

[Colbinii]

This is only useful to open space. Otherwise it’s not really very worthwhile. There are better possible trades out there for Davion.

Like what?

[Texas Chuck]

This is only useful to open space. Otherwise it’s not really very worthwhile. There are better possible trades out there for Davion.

defense only guards heading into their RFA years have never traditionally held much trade value. Curious why he is an exception in your eyes? I mean look at Caruso, sort of the gold standard of this archetype. He makes less than MLE money. Defense only guards just aren't highly valued across the league. They are like offense only bigs. They just are hard to fit into most contending teams playoff rotations.

[LightTheBeam]

Just not sure what it does for Sac? The way I see our team right now

Fox/Mitchell
Keon
Murray
??/Lyles
Sabonis

(If we don't resign Monk) We have Huerter, Barnes, Sasha, Duarte, MLE, #13 to work with and need to fill 4 spots already. By my calculations we are at 150ish without Monk with according to Spotrac 25 million in 1st apron space. Plenty of space to use the MLE already.

Now if Monk comes back maybe, but we won't know that in time to make this deal.

Not even a huge Mitchell fan, but he held down the backup pg spot well the last 3-4 months of the season. Also don't see it for NY. With McBride and Brunson what is the need for Mitchell?

[codydaze]

I think I would probably do it. I've been low on Davion since the night we drafted him and if you like Davion then you can just draft Jamal Shead with that pick who can basically be the same player on a much cheaper deal.

[OxAndFox]

I would do this just to reset the younger players. Particularly if Monte likes what he sees in the 2nd round, or as what will most likely happen, players fall through to #38 like last year.

Davion played well after the deadline, but what does he sign for in regard to an extension?

Thibs would LOVE him and IMO he would be a good addition to the Knicks. Think this is a decent overall trade value wise and fit.

[jbk1234]

This is only useful to open space. Otherwise it’s not really very worthwhile. There are better possible trades out there for Davion.

defense only guards heading into their RFA years have never traditionally held much trade value. Curious why he is an exception in your eyes? I mean look at Caruso, sort of the gold standard of this archetype. He makes less than MLE money. Defense only guards just aren't highly valued across the league. They are like offense only bigs. They just are hard to fit into most contending teams playoff rotations.

The flip side is that defense-only guards are rather easy to retain as RFAs on reasonable salaries. The Kings would have to be pretty low on him, or need to move his salary due to another move, to just give him away. It may be the case that they want to use the savings to retain Monk. It may be the case that they're only willing to go so high to retain Monk regardless.

[LightTheBeam]

I think I would probably do it. I've been low on Davion since the night we drafted him and if you like Davion then you can just draft Jamal Shead with that pick who can basically be the same player on a much cheaper deal.

I'm with you that I never liked the pick and haven't ever really liked the player. But idk, IMO we can probably buy a 2nd in that range. We have plenty of room below the tax line. Davion is a decent size expiring dart throw that can be included in a trade as salary buffer.

He's also almost without a doubt going to be better next year than some random pick in the 30s. This makes us worse short term, removes tradable salary, and creates another hole the team needs to replace.

But me personally, I have no interest in saving Vivek money. I want him to spend in the tax. We are always so damn handcuffed without any tradable salary, meanwhile these contenders have unlimited budgets and able to match salaries so easily. And it's not only huge markets, plenty examples of smaller markets with more willingness to spend.

[LightTheBeam]

This is only useful to open space. Otherwise it’s not really very worthwhile. There are better possible trades out there for Davion.

defense only guards heading into their RFA years have never traditionally held much trade value. Curious why he is an exception in your eyes? I mean look at Caruso, sort of the gold standard of this archetype. He makes less than MLE money. Defense only guards just aren't highly valued across the league. They are like offense only bigs. They just are hard to fit into most contending teams playoff rotations.

The flip side is that defense-only guards are rather easy to retain as RFAs on reasonable salaries. The Kings would have to be pretty low on him, or need to move his salary due to another move, to just give him away. It may be the case that they want to use the savings to retain Monk. It may be the case that they're only willing to go so high to retain Monk regardless.

We only have early-bird rights, so we can only go so far to resign him. And if Vivek cheaps out on that, he should immediately be forced to sell the team.

[codydaze]

I think I would probably do it. I've been low on Davion since the night we drafted him and if you like Davion then you can just draft Jamal Shead with that pick who can basically be the same player on a much cheaper deal.

I'm with you that I never liked the pick and haven't ever really liked the player. But idk, IMO we can probably buy a 2nd in that range. We have plenty of room below the tax line. Davion is a decent size expiring dart throw that can be included in a trade as salary buffer.

He's also almost without a doubt going to be better next year than some random pick in the 30s. This makes us worse short term, removes tradable salary, and creates another hole the team needs to replace.

But me personally, I have no interest in saving Vivek money. I want him to spend in the tax. We are always so damn handcuffed without any tradable salary, meanwhile these contenders have unlimited budgets and able to match salaries so easily. And it's not only huge markets, plenty examples of smaller markets with more willingness to spend.

I do agree that he would be nice to keep around as salary for a bigger deal, that might be the only reason I don't make the deal, I'm not too concerned with shedding salary or anything. At least it wouldn't be my reasoning for making this deal. I do think Jamal Shead could step in day one and provide by 80-90% of what Davion does. Two time conference DPOY and much better numbers as a distributor than Davion had in college.

[OxAndFox]

I think I would probably do it. I've been low on Davion since the night we drafted him and if you like Davion then you can just draft Jamal Shead with that pick who can basically be the same player on a much cheaper deal.

I'm with you that I never liked the pick and haven't ever really liked the player. But idk, IMO we can probably buy a 2nd in that range. We have plenty of room below the tax line. Davion is a decent size expiring dart throw that can be included in a trade as salary buffer.

He's also almost without a doubt going to be better next year than some random pick in the 30s. This makes us worse short term, removes tradable salary, and creates another hole the team needs to replace.

But me personally, I have no interest in saving Vivek money. I want him to spend in the tax. We are always so damn handcuffed without any tradable salary, meanwhile these contenders have unlimited budgets and able to match salaries so easily. And it's not only huge markets, plenty examples of smaller markets with more willingness to spend.

To me honestly, this is the only thing I worry about in a deal like this. The Kings do have a tendency to let go tradeable salary.
It is a good point on buying a pick, but don't forget who we're dealing with here. It's far, far more likely the Kings do this trade and sell the #38 pick and then trade #45 for a future 2nd.

[LightTheBeam]

I think I would probably do it. I've been low on Davion since the night we drafted him and if you like Davion then you can just draft Jamal Shead with that pick who can basically be the same player on a much cheaper deal.

I'm with you that I never liked the pick and haven't ever really liked the player. But idk, IMO we can probably buy a 2nd in that range. We have plenty of room below the tax line. Davion is a decent size expiring dart throw that can be included in a trade as salary buffer.

He's also almost without a doubt going to be better next year than some random pick in the 30s. This makes us worse short term, removes tradable salary, and creates another hole the team needs to replace.

But me personally, I have no interest in saving Vivek money. I want him to spend in the tax. We are always so damn handcuffed without any tradable salary, meanwhile these contenders have unlimited budgets and able to match salaries so easily. And it's not only huge markets, plenty examples of smaller markets with more willingness to spend.

I do agree that he would be nice to keep around as salary for a bigger deal, that might be the only reason I don't make the deal, I'm not too concerned with shedding salary or anything. At least it wouldn't be my reasoning for making this deal. I do think Jamal Shead could step in day one and provide by 80-90% of what Davion does. Two time conference DPOY and much better numbers as a distributor than Davion had in college.

Maybe he could, but when have we ever given a 2nd round pick playing time day 1? The more likely outcome is we draft this kid you like (well actually probably sell the pick), and then sign some worse veteran to play the minutes out the gate. Now we've downgraded Mitchell to some old guy like Patty Mills on court, and lost tradable salary.

I'm all for even giving Colby Jones the minutes. I believe in that kid personally. I just know best case scenario he earns that playing time mid-way through this year.

And again I don't think OP is bad value. I dislike it for NY as well. I just don't see it making sense. As part of a larger 3 team trade where the 3rd team is saving money, sure.

[Mavrelous]

This locks NYK into 2nd Apron, which in turn mean they won't guarantee Bogi, I'm not sure it's worth losing this flexibility.

[R-DAWG]

What does Davion Mitchell bring that Duce McBride does not?