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ATL: Brandon Ingram, Terry Rozier, Pick #15
MIA: Trae Young
NO: Tyler Herro, Onyeka Okongwu

Why for Atlanta - THIS ASSUMES THEY DRAFT CLINGIN - ATL does a re-tool by swapping Young for Ingram and recalibrating the roster elsewhere. The future of the team is Murray at point, Ingram on the wing, and Clingin on the post. I also seeing Rozier as a nice compliment to Murray/Ingram. Murray/Rozier/Ingram/Hunter/Clingin

Why for Miami - this is a gamble on what Trae Young can be. The cost is essentially Herro and 2 1st rd picks (factoring in the pick they gave up for Rozier). If Miami gets Young to give effort on defense and share the ball a little more he's going to elevate their team. If not, it's only a 2 year commitment and this version of Trae is still better than Tyler Herro.

Why for New Orleans - this trade gets young and better fitting pieces around Zion

Gotta love when there’s essentially no write up for why it makes any sense for NO.

The reason for taking Herro instead of just adding 2 firsts (or 3) and getting Trae is really hard to come up with

I guess Trae refuses to play in NOP it is decent value. Just seems to be the opposite of what the team needs to be doing this offseason..

If Atlanta is valuing Terry, they would love CJM..

This feels crazy light for Atlanta right? Trae and OO have to be worth more than one year of BI, Rozier, and a mid 1st. And if they aren't then you have to keep Trae.

No idea how Miami gets Trae anywhere near this cheaply.

Texas Chuck wrote:This feels crazy light for Atlanta right?

Yes. No reason for Atlanta to make this move. If they covet Ingram this much, they can likely get him significantly cheaper than this.

R-DAWG wrote:ATL: Brandon Ingram, Terry Rozier, Pick #15
MIA: Trae Young
NO: Tyler Herro, Onyeka Okongwu

Why for Atlanta - THIS ASSUMES THEY DRAFT CLINGIN - ATL does a re-tool by swapping Young for Ingram and recalibrating the roster elsewhere. The future of the team is Murray at point, Ingram on the wing, and Clingin on the post. I also seeing Rozier as a nice compliment to Murray/Ingram. Murray/Rozier/Ingram/Hunter/Clingin

Why for Miami - this is a gamble on what Trae Young can be. The cost is essentially Herro and 2 1st rd picks (factoring in the pick they gave up for Rozier). If Miami gets Young to give effort on defense and share the ball a little more he's going to elevate their team. If not, it's only a 2 year commitment and this version of Trae is still better than Tyler Herro.

Why for New Orleans - this trade gets young and better fitting pieces around Zion

Besides it being exceptional light for Atlanta giving up boyh Trae AND Okongwu. BI has 1 year left on his current deal. Hawks will either be forced to overpay him or let him walk. The bigger issue is Hawks owe draft picks to SAS so trading Trae is awful for this little in return.
[Oh, and Hunter won't start at PF, that goes to Jalen J]
So not a good deal ovwrall at all.

New Orleans should be targeting a point guard their wings are set in Herb/Trey. 2nd should be a defensive 5 that has some shooting touch.

This might be one of the worst trades in value for Atlanta i have seen no chance i do this. I honestly wouldn't pull the trigger on this with Murray in place of Trae in this trade although it would be closer.

Herro has 0 value and Rozier also. How that gets you Trae young? If that is the package, Pels do it without Miami.

jayu70 wrote:

R-DAWG wrote:ATL: Brandon Ingram, Terry Rozier, Pick #15
MIA: Trae Young
NO: Tyler Herro, Onyeka Okongwu

Why for Atlanta - THIS ASSUMES THEY DRAFT CLINGIN - ATL does a re-tool by swapping Young for Ingram and recalibrating the roster elsewhere. The future of the team is Murray at point, Ingram on the wing, and Clingin on the post. I also seeing Rozier as a nice compliment to Murray/Ingram. Murray/Rozier/Ingram/Hunter/Clingin

Why for Miami - this is a gamble on what Trae Young can be. The cost is essentially Herro and 2 1st rd picks (factoring in the pick they gave up for Rozier). If Miami gets Young to give effort on defense and share the ball a little more he's going to elevate their team. If not, it's only a 2 year commitment and this version of Trae is still better than Tyler Herro.

Why for New Orleans - this trade gets young and better fitting pieces around Zion

Besides it being exceptional light for Atlanta giving up boyh Trae AND Okongwu. BI has 1 year left on his current deal. Hawks will either be forced to overpay him or let him walk. The bigger issue is Hawks owe draft picks to SAS so trading Trae is awful for this little in return.
[Oh, and Hunter won't start at PF, that goes to Jalen J]
So not a good deal ovwrall at all.

My thinking for Atlanta here as it relates to Ingram ties to the decision being made to keep Murray over Trae and thinking the Ingram is the better long term fit than Trae. I think the Rozier/Okongwu part is more of roster fit assuming ATL drafts Clingin as I don't see Okongwu/Clingin being a long term fit. Regarding paying Ingram, resigning him will

I think the mix of Murray/Rozier/Ingram fits very nicely especially if you playing a stretch 4 with shooting. Murray's size offsets Rozier in the backcourt and Ingram/Murray feel like they share the ball better than Murray/Trae.

Would the Hawks fans feel differently about this trade if Okongwu wasn't in the deal? In theory, Risacher fits well into this mix as well.

Starters: Murray/Rozier/Ingram/Johnson/Capela
Bench: Bogdonovic/Hunter/Risacher/Okongwu

This trade idea was built off the Bill Simmons idea of Young for Herro, Duncan Robinson, Pick #15 and a future 1st.

QMemphis wrote:New Orleans should be targeting a point guard their wings are set in Herb/Trey. 2nd should be a defensive 5 that has some shooting touch.

Agreed but having said that I think Herro compliments Zion nicely. Malcom Brogdon would be an excellent fit here IMO.

Brogdon/Herro/Jones/Zion/Okongwu

This kind of a trade would be part 1 of a larger roster re-shuffle around Zion this summer.

R-DAWG wrote:

jayu70 wrote:

R-DAWG wrote:ATL: Brandon Ingram, Terry Rozier, Pick #15
MIA: Trae Young
NO: Tyler Herro, Onyeka Okongwu

Why for Atlanta - THIS ASSUMES THEY DRAFT CLINGIN - ATL does a re-tool by swapping Young for Ingram and recalibrating the roster elsewhere. The future of the team is Murray at point, Ingram on the wing, and Clingin on the post. I also seeing Rozier as a nice compliment to Murray/Ingram. Murray/Rozier/Ingram/Hunter/Clingin

Why for Miami - this is a gamble on what Trae Young can be. The cost is essentially Herro and 2 1st rd picks (factoring in the pick they gave up for Rozier). If Miami gets Young to give effort on defense and share the ball a little more he's going to elevate their team. If not, it's only a 2 year commitment and this version of Trae is still better than Tyler Herro.

Why for New Orleans - this trade gets young and better fitting pieces around Zion

Besides it being exceptional light for Atlanta giving up boyh Trae AND Okongwu. BI has 1 year left on his current deal. Hawks will either be forced to overpay him or let him walk. The bigger issue is Hawks owe draft picks to SAS so trading Trae is awful for this little in return.
[Oh, and Hunter won't start at PF, that goes to Jalen J]
So not a good deal ovwrall at all.

My thinking for Atlanta here as it relates to Ingram ties to the decision being made to keep Murray over Trae and thinking the Ingram is the better long term fit than Trae. I think the Rozier/Okongwu part is more of roster fit assuming ATL drafts Clingin as I don't see Okongwu/Clingin being a long term fit. Regarding paying Ingram, resigning him will

I think the mix of Murray/Rozier/Ingram fits very nicely especially if you playing a stretch 4 with shooting. Murray's size offsets Rozier in the backcourt and Ingram/Murray feel like they share the ball better than Murray/Trae.

Would the Hawks fans feel differently about this trade if Okongwu wasn't in the deal? In theory, Risacher fits well into this mix as well.

Starters: Murray/Rozier/Ingram/Johnson/Capela
Bench: Bogdonovic/Hunter/Risacher/Okongwu

This trade idea was built off the Bill Simmons idea of Young for Herro, Duncan Robinson, Pick #15 and a future 1st.

This places an extremely high valuation of Ingram that I am not sure is warranted.

R-DAWG wrote:

QMemphis wrote:New Orleans should be targeting a point guard their wings are set in Herb/Trey. 2nd should be a defensive 5 that has some shooting touch.

Agreed but having said that I think Herro compliments Zion nicely. Malcom Brogdon would be an excellent fit here IMO.

Brogdon/Herro/Jones/Zion/Okongwu

This kind of a trade would be part 1 of a larger roster re-shuffle around Zion this summer.

They already have Trey Murphy who they have to extend this summer. Garland should be their target and possibly even someone Brook Lopez as the center.

R-DAWG wrote:

jayu70 wrote:

R-DAWG wrote:ATL: Brandon Ingram, Terry Rozier, Pick #15
MIA: Trae Young
NO: Tyler Herro, Onyeka Okongwu

Why for Atlanta - THIS ASSUMES THEY DRAFT CLINGIN - ATL does a re-tool by swapping Young for Ingram and recalibrating the roster elsewhere. The future of the team is Murray at point, Ingram on the wing, and Clingin on the post. I also seeing Rozier as a nice compliment to Murray/Ingram. Murray/Rozier/Ingram/Hunter/Clingin

Why for Miami - this is a gamble on what Trae Young can be. The cost is essentially Herro and 2 1st rd picks (factoring in the pick they gave up for Rozier). If Miami gets Young to give effort on defense and share the ball a little more he's going to elevate their team. If not, it's only a 2 year commitment and this version of Trae is still better than Tyler Herro.

Why for New Orleans - this trade gets young and better fitting pieces around Zion

Besides it being exceptional light for Atlanta giving up boyh Trae AND Okongwu. BI has 1 year left on his current deal. Hawks will either be forced to overpay him or let him walk. The bigger issue is Hawks owe draft picks to SAS so trading Trae is awful for this little in return.
[Oh, and Hunter won't start at PF, that goes to Jalen J]
So not a good deal ovwrall at all.

My thinking for Atlanta here as it relates to Ingram ties to the decision being made to keep Murray over Trae and thinking the Ingram is the better long term fit than Trae. I think the Rozier/Okongwu part is more of roster fit assuming ATL drafts Clingin as I don't see Okongwu/Clingin being a long term fit. Regarding paying Ingram, resigning him will

I think the mix of Murray/Rozier/Ingram fits very nicely especially if you playing a stretch 4 with shooting. Murray's size offsets Rozier in the backcourt and Ingram/Murray feel like they share the ball better than Murray/Trae.

Would the Hawks fans feel differently about this trade if Okongwu wasn't in the deal? In theory, Risacher fits well into this mix as well.

Starters: Murray/Rozier/Ingram/Johnson/Capela
Bench: Bogdonovic/Hunter/Risacher/Okongwu

This trade idea was built off the Bill Simmons idea of Young for Herro, Duncan Robinson, Pick #15 and a future 1st.

There is nothing that excites me about a trio of Murray/Rozier/Ingram. Both Murray and Imgram operates in the midrange and a Quinn offense wants more 3s, there is no real spacing. Which stretch 4?
Using Bill Simmons as a guide post for trades is 'something' - that idea is low value for Trae, while seemingly placing a higher value on BI.

Mrakar wrote:Herro has 0 value and Rozier also. How that gets you Trae young? If that is the package, Pels do it without Miami.

Yes, you can cut the Heat and do a straight deal with ATlanta.
trae Young is small, doesnt play defense and not a fit with the Heat culture.
Miami is better with Herro, Rozier and the player pick at #15 than Trae alone

Hoops23 wrote:

Mrakar wrote:Herro has 0 value and Rozier also. How that gets you Trae young? If that is the package, Pels do it without Miami.

Yes, you can cut the Heat and do a straight deal with ATlanta.
trae Young is small, doesnt play defense and not a fit with the Heat culture.
Miami is better with Herro, Rozier and the player pick at #15 than Trae alone

CJ was an elite floor spacer this past season but because of his defense, a net zero pairing with Zion.

Daniels who had a 12% usage rate on 5 APG in his place was a +8 pairing with Zion because of his elite man defense.

The people that keep suggesting the offensive spacing fits as being ideal for Zion don't take into account how teams actually defend NO's. They don't just run zone defenses. They opt to play off of low volume 40% shooters to take the paint away regardless. Jonas shot 40% on low volume, Nance shot 45% on low volume, Herb 40% on good volume BI 38% on good volume but only CJ was a "threat", which is why despite CJ shooting 42% on 8 APG. Daniel's elite defense, with no effective spacing was more productive. There's still no real spacing because there's not enough "threats" on the floor but at least some defensive compensation. With deflections, steals & blocks leading to transition offense & unset defenses.

For NO's & ZIon IMO. Defense is a priority goal in any lead guard target.