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Milwaukee trade: Portis, 23, 33
Milwaukee receive: Vezenkov, Duarte, 13

Sacramento trade: Vezenkov, Duarte, Huerter, 13
Sacramento receive: Portis, Brown, 23

Toronto trade: Brown
Toronto receive: Huerter, 33

Why for Sacramento: improve toughness and perimeter D
Why for Milwaukee: trade up to nab future lopez replacement while getting couple depth players
Why for Toronto: get a 2nd for brown and eating huerter's extra year

(can sub huerter out for barnes if preferred)

I like this.

Well balanced and gives everyone something they are looking for.

From the Sac perspective we retain Barnes and Huerter as either depth pieces or salary to aggregate with future picks for a larger trade.

OGSactownballer wrote:I like this.

Well balanced and gives everyone something they are looking for.

From the Sac perspective we retain Barnes and Huerter as either depth pieces or salary to aggregate with future picks for a larger trade.

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Huerter is in the trade. It’s a lot for two older journeyman players

Sactowndog wrote:

OGSactownballer wrote:I like this.

Well balanced and gives everyone something they are looking for.

From the Sac perspective we retain Barnes and Huerter as either depth pieces or salary to aggregate with future picks for a larger trade.

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Huerter is in the trade. It’s a lot for two older journeyman players

they are also 2 veterans with championship experience and were important members of their respective winning teams.

Godaddycurse wrote:Milwaukee trade: Portis, 23, 33
Milwaukee receive: Vezenkov, Duarte, 13

Sacramento trade: Vezenkov, Duarte, Huerter, 13
Sacramento receive: Portis, Brown, 23

Toronto trade: Brown
Toronto receive: Huerter, 33

Why for Sacramento: improve toughness and perimeter D
Why for Milwaukee: trade up to nab future lopez replacement while getting couple depth players
Why for Toronto: get a 2nd for brown and eating huerter's extra year

(can sub huerter out for barnes if preferred)

Is there a rumor about MIL wanting to move up?

Sactowndog wrote:

OGSactownballer wrote:I like this.

Well balanced and gives everyone something they are looking for.

From the Sac perspective we retain Barnes and Huerter as either depth pieces or salary to aggregate with future picks for a larger trade.

???????

Huerter is in the trade. It’s a lot for two older journeyman players

Oops right I missed that part.

And Portis has proven his ability to effectively start at the PF spot and is an improvement on both ends over Barnes - who can go to the bench and strengthen that unit. Brown is also a depth improvement and versatile and gives us a pretty good sized expiring after this season and some insurance for Monk.

I don’t see the downside.

I don't think Toronto needs to be in here but it's fine either way. If I am SAC I prefer keeping Huerter and taking the MIL package.

I think Huerter is better than Brown.

Colbinii wrote:I don't think Toronto needs to be in here but it's fine either way. If I am SAC I prefer keeping Huerter and taking the MIL package.

I think Huerter is better than Brown.

I think there are arguments to
Be made for both guys because they bring different things to the table.

But in the end we shake it up a little and get a guy who fits our currents need and so does TOR and for Sac we get off money on a bulk fashion next year and that can be very helpful considering our financial situation and the fact that it could be a great time to capture a star FA or trade for one with the expiring money to vault into contention level.

The value is fine in a vacuum but the issue is we’re essentially sending out 1 rotation player (Huerter) and getting back 2 (Brown & Portis). This is going to result in someone’s minutes getting squeezed out (assuming we resign Monk). For example, if we made no trades, I’d expect our minute rotation to be something like…

PG - Fox (34) / Mitchell (14)
SG - Ellis (22) / Monk (26)
SF - Murray (22) / Huerter (24) / Ellis (2)
PF - Barnes (24) / Murray (10) / Lyles (14)
C - Sabonis (34) / Len (10) / Lyles (4)

Fox = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Murray = 32 min
Monk = 26 min
Ellis = 24 min
Barnes = 24 min
Huerter = 24 min
Lyles = 18 min
Mitchell = 14 min
Len = 10 min

Coming back to the trade, moving Huerter frees up ~24 min in the rotation but Portis and Brown played a collective 52 min per game last year so that means we have to find another ~28 min. You could drop Mitchell from the rotation since Fox, Ellis, and Brown give you good defense at the guard spot but we should try to move Mitchell in this trade to try and get an asset back before his DNPs tank his value further. You could also cut Len from the rotation but then you’re strictly committing to a small ball C (Portis or Lyles) when Sabonis is off the floor which might not be ideal in some matchups.

If Monk leaves, the minute rotation makes sense but I’d rather try and use that asset (#13) to get a bigger fish to help replace Monk’s impact vs. getting some decent role players.

bpcox05 wrote:The value is fine in a vacuum but the issue is we’re essentially sending out 1 rotation player (Huerter) and getting back 2 (Brown & Portis). This is going to result in someone’s minutes getting squeezed out (assuming we resign Monk). For example, if we made no trades, I’d expect our minute rotation to be something like…

PG - Fox (34) / Mitchell (14)
SG - Ellis (22) / Monk (26)
SF - Murray (22) / Huerter (24) / Ellis (2)
PF - Barnes (24) / Murray (10) / Lyles (14)
C - Sabonis (34) / Len (10) / Lyles (4)

Fox = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Murray = 32 min
Monk = 26 min
Ellis = 24 min
Barnes = 24 min
Huerter = 24 min
Lyles = 18 min
Mitchell = 14 min
Len = 10 min

Coming back to the trade, moving Huerter frees up ~24 min in the rotation but Portis and Brown played a collective 52 min per game last year so that means we have to find another ~28 min. You could drop Mitchell from the rotation since Fox, Ellis, and Brown give you good defense at the guard spot but we should try to move Mitchell in this trade to try and get an asset back before his DNPs tank his value further. You could also cut Len from the rotation but then you’re strictly committing to a small ball C (Portis or Lyles) when Sabonis is off the floor which might not be ideal in some matchups.

If Monk leaves, the minute rotation makes sense but I’d rather try and use that asset (#13) to get a bigger fish to help replace Monk’s impact vs. getting some decent role players.

Your points are valid but you are forgetting a couple of things we saw in Sac this season that were glaring.

We need more playable depth. There were a lot of times - especially late season when both Huerter and Monk were hurt - that we had a serious depth issue and it was obvious. And the other guys down bench were just not adequate to play which in turn wore down the starters at the worst time.

Adding two to one of guys who are both not only solid and productive rotation guys, but also capable of starting - and in the case of Portis really seriously improving in exactly what we need at his position - makes absolute sense for a pick that is a 50/50 chance at best of being a decent player in 3-5 years.

And Brown gives us a solid b/u that’s a change of pace at the SF behind Keegan so there isn’t the huge drop off we currently have to being forced to a three guard lineup.

Godaddycurse wrote:Milwaukee trade: Portis, 23, 33
Milwaukee receive: Vezenkov, Duarte, 13

Sacramento trade: Vezenkov, Duarte, Huerter, 13
Sacramento receive: Portis, Brown, 23

Toronto trade: Brown
Toronto receive: Huerter, 33

Why for Sacramento: improve toughness and perimeter D
Why for Milwaukee: trade up to nab future lopez replacement while getting couple depth players
Why for Toronto: get a 2nd for brown and eating huerter's extra year

(can sub huerter out for barnes if preferred)

This seems like a great deal for Sacramento, and a reasonable deal for Toronto. I’m not seeing it for Milwaukee, though. Maybe they luck out on 13, but they really need quantity in this draft, and Vezenkov/Duarte is a big step back from Portis.

I saw a different version that had Sac overpaying for Portis, didn't like it. This version I can get down with. Ideally Monk returns and we are set, but assuming he's gone I'd follow this up with Barnes + 23 for a Monk replacement.

Barnes + 23 for Sexton?

Fox - Keon - Keegan - Portis - Sabonis
Sexton - Brown - Lyles

Don't hate that.

OGSactownballer wrote:

bpcox05 wrote:The value is fine in a vacuum but the issue is we’re essentially sending out 1 rotation player (Huerter) and getting back 2 (Brown & Portis). This is going to result in someone’s minutes getting squeezed out (assuming we resign Monk). For example, if we made no trades, I’d expect our minute rotation to be something like…

PG - Fox (34) / Mitchell (14)
SG - Ellis (22) / Monk (26)
SF - Murray (22) / Huerter (24) / Ellis (2)
PF - Barnes (24) / Murray (10) / Lyles (14)
C - Sabonis (34) / Len (10) / Lyles (4)

Fox = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Murray = 32 min
Monk = 26 min
Ellis = 24 min
Barnes = 24 min
Huerter = 24 min
Lyles = 18 min
Mitchell = 14 min
Len = 10 min

Coming back to the trade, moving Huerter frees up ~24 min in the rotation but Portis and Brown played a collective 52 min per game last year so that means we have to find another ~28 min. You could drop Mitchell from the rotation since Fox, Ellis, and Brown give you good defense at the guard spot but we should try to move Mitchell in this trade to try and get an asset back before his DNPs tank his value further. You could also cut Len from the rotation but then you’re strictly committing to a small ball C (Portis or Lyles) when Sabonis is off the floor which might not be ideal in some matchups.

If Monk leaves, the minute rotation makes sense but I’d rather try and use that asset (#13) to get a bigger fish to help replace Monk’s impact vs. getting some decent role players.

Your points are valid but you are forgetting a couple of things we saw in Sac this season that were glaring.

We need more playable depth. There were a lot of times - especially late season when both Huerter and Monk were hurt - that we had a serious depth issue and it was obvious. And the other guys down bench were just not adequate to play which in turn wore down the starters at the worst time.

Adding two to one of guys who are both not only solid and productive rotation guys, but also capable of starting - and in the case of Portis really seriously improving in exactly what we need at his position - makes absolute sense for a pick that is a 50/50 chance at best of being a decent player in 3-5 years.

And Brown gives us a solid b/u that’s a change of pace at the SF behind Keegan so there isn’t the huge drop off we currently have to being forced to a three guard lineup.

Yeah I don’t agree with this.

That “playable depth” is not really going to come in handy when we’re trying to advance to the 2nd or 3rd round in the playoffs. It’ll help (as you mentioned) during the regular seasons when rotational players go down with injury but when you’re trying to make a deep playoff run, talent is going to win out. I’d rather focus on consolidating and getting a better piece vs. several decent pieces to aid in that ultimate goal.

Godaddycurse wrote:Milwaukee trade: Portis, 23, 33
Milwaukee receive: Vezenkov, Duarte, 13

Sacramento trade: Vezenkov, Duarte, Huerter, 13
Sacramento receive: Portis, Brown, 23

Toronto trade: Brown
Toronto receive: Huerter, 33

Why for Sacramento: improve toughness and perimeter D
Why for Milwaukee: trade up to nab future lopez replacement while getting couple depth players
Why for Toronto: get a 2nd for brown and eating huerter's extra year

(can sub huerter out for barnes if preferred)

Kings cut out Toronto. Portis/23/33. Outstanding deal for Sac.

SNPA wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:Milwaukee trade: Portis, 23, 33
Milwaukee receive: Vezenkov, Duarte, 13

Sacramento trade: Vezenkov, Duarte, Huerter, 13
Sacramento receive: Portis, Brown, 23

Toronto trade: Brown
Toronto receive: Huerter, 33

Why for Sacramento: improve toughness and perimeter D
Why for Milwaukee: trade up to nab future lopez replacement while getting couple depth players
Why for Toronto: get a 2nd for brown and eating huerter's extra year

(can sub huerter out for barnes if preferred)

Kings cut out Toronto. Portis/23/33. Outstanding deal for Sac.

Ya i thought about making it just a 2 teamer but i dont think kings want to draft 3 rookies

It would be better if Toronto got the 13 & Milwaukee got Heurter. Not sure how to make that work for everyone but that’s a better outcome.

wegotthabeet wrote:It would be better if Toronto got the 13 & Milwaukee got Heurter. Not sure how to make that work for everyone but that’s a better outcome.

Yup, so be constructive and provide an actual "way to make this work" other than "I would like my team to get the best asset in the deal, but I have no idea how to make it work". It isn't constructive to say say "I want my team to get the best asset". Yeah, we all know we all want our own teams to acquire the best assets in trades.

Godaddycurse wrote:

SNPA wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:Milwaukee trade: Portis, 23, 33
Milwaukee receive: Vezenkov, Duarte, 13

Sacramento trade: Vezenkov, Duarte, Huerter, 13
Sacramento receive: Portis, Brown, 23

Toronto trade: Brown
Toronto receive: Huerter, 33

Why for Sacramento: improve toughness and perimeter D
Why for Milwaukee: trade up to nab future lopez replacement while getting couple depth players
Why for Toronto: get a 2nd for brown and eating huerter's extra year

(can sub huerter out for barnes if preferred)

Kings cut out Toronto. Portis/23/33. Outstanding deal for Sac.

Ya i thought about making it just a 2 teamer but i dont think kings want to draft 3 rookies

They can trade a 2nd or buy one

Godaddycurse wrote:

SNPA wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:Milwaukee trade: Portis, 23, 33
Milwaukee receive: Vezenkov, Duarte, 13

Sacramento trade: Vezenkov, Duarte, Huerter, 13
Sacramento receive: Portis, Brown, 23

Toronto trade: Brown
Toronto receive: Huerter, 33

Why for Sacramento: improve toughness and perimeter D
Why for Milwaukee: trade up to nab future lopez replacement while getting couple depth players
Why for Toronto: get a 2nd for brown and eating huerter's extra year

(can sub huerter out for barnes if preferred)

Kings cut out Toronto. Portis/23/33. Outstanding deal for Sac.

Ya i thought about making it just a 2 teamer but i dont think kings want to draft 3 rookies

I think the Kings would probably look at other options for #45 in that case. Most likely it would be sold. Would like it to be traded for a future 2nd or even do a draft and stash, which might come back into vogue with the new CBA.
So it would end up realistically be #23/#33 the Kings pick.

bpcox05 wrote:The value is fine in a vacuum but the issue is we’re essentially sending out 1 rotation player (Huerter) and getting back 2 (Brown & Portis). This is going to result in someone’s minutes getting squeezed out (assuming we resign Monk). For example, if we made no trades, I’d expect our minute rotation to be something like…

PG - Fox (34) / Mitchell (14)
SG - Ellis (22) / Monk (26)
SF - Murray (22) / Huerter (24) / Ellis (2)
PF - Barnes (24) / Murray (10) / Lyles (14)
C - Sabonis (34) / Len (10) / Lyles (4)

Fox = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Murray = 32 min
Monk = 26 min
Ellis = 24 min
Barnes = 24 min
Huerter = 24 min
Lyles = 18 min
Mitchell = 14 min
Len = 10 min

Coming back to the trade, moving Huerter frees up ~24 min in the rotation but Portis and Brown played a collective 52 min per game last year so that means we have to find another ~28 min. You could drop Mitchell from the rotation since Fox, Ellis, and Brown give you good defense at the guard spot but we should try to move Mitchell in this trade to try and get an asset back before his DNPs tank his value further. You could also cut Len from the rotation but then you’re strictly committing to a small ball C (Portis or Lyles) when Sabonis is off the floor which might not be ideal in some matchups.

If Monk leaves, the minute rotation makes sense but I’d rather try and use that asset (#13) to get a bigger fish to help replace Monk’s impact vs. getting some decent role players.

Fox = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Murray = 32 min
Monk = 26 min
Ellis = 24 min
Barnes = 24 min
Huerter = 24 min
Lyles = 18 min
Mitchell = 14 min
Len = 10 min

Monk might be gone, Barnes/Huerter/Mitchell/Len shouldn't be playing for us.

Fox, Sabonis, Murray, Ellis, Lyles. There are plenty of minutes to go around beyond that.