POR - SAC

[bpcox05]

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POR Gets: Kevin Huerter, Sasha Vezenkov, Chris Duarte, & #13
POR Gives: Jerami Grant, #34, & #40
Why for POR? The Blazers clear a lot of long term salary in Grant and trade up in the draft for another lottery pick (it also consolidates their 2024 picks from 4 to 3) to give them a more valuable young asset to add to their rebuild. Huerter can also help spread the floor for their young guys and could be a decent reclamation project to be flipped later. Vezenkov could also be flipped at the deadline as I could see him getting a healthy amount of minutes at PF for the Blazers.

PG - Henderson / Brogdon / Banton
SG - Simons / Thybulle / Rupert / Duarte
SF - Sharpe / Huerter / Walker
PF - Vezenkov / Murray / Camara
C - Ayton / Williams / Reath
Picks - #7 / #13 / #14

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SAC Gets: Jerami Grant, #34, & #40
SAC Gives: Kevin Huerter, Sasha Vezenkov, Chris Duarte, & #13
Why for SAC? I think it’s apparent that the Kings need another go-to scorer to go along with Fox and Monk. We’re hopeful that Murray can grow into that type of player but he’s not there yet. Grant gives the Kings that 3rd go-to scorer allowing Murray and Sabonis to fill those secondary scoring roles. Not only is Grant an efficient go-to scorer but his usage isn’t very high which still gives space for Murray to grow offensively and still allows Sabonis to play that ideal facilitator role. On top of him being a low usage, go-to scorer he also is a great shooter allowing the Kings to continue to space the floor for Fox and Sabonis. Defensively, Grant has much better length than Barnes (something the Kings desperately need) and is likely an upgrade defensively over Barnes. Although we lose a lottery pick, we do at least get back an early and mid 2nd to give us 3 swings at finding a cheap, diamond in the rough (which will be needed knowing how much money Fox, Monk, Murray, Grant, and will make).

PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Ellis / Monk* / Jones
SF - Murray / Barnes
PF - Grant / Lyles
C - Sabonis
* resigned
Picks - #34 / #40 / #45

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[Myth]

The value is fine, but this is too many players already under contract coming into Portland, which forces us to waive a player we don’t want to waive to make it legal. I think this is where a trade with Barnes and only 1 salary filler makes this an easier trade.

[Brandon-Clyde]

Take out one of the second round picks since none of the players Portland receives is anything but salary filler as far as Portland is concerned. Grant +one 2nd for 13+ salary filler seems fair to me.

[Myth]

What about this:

13, Huerter, Barnes, Lyle, future 2nd

for

Grant, Brogdon, 40

Blazers get under tax and a lotto to use or trade up with, then switch out a 2nd for a future second so we still have 4 picks this draft instead of 5. They would still need follow up moves for roster space purposes.

Kings get 2 win now pieces, one a starter, and one a 6MOY quality guard off the bench. Salary wise they are more expensive next year, then actually less salary the year after, then have that extra year or 2 of Grant depending on whether he opts in or out.

[kalenclayton]

What about this:

13, Huerter, Barnes, Lyle, future 2nd

for

Grant, Brogdon, 40

Blazers get under tax and a lotto to use or trade up with, then switch out a 2nd for a future second so we still have 4 picks this draft instead of 5. They would still need follow up moves for roster space purposes.

Kings get 2 win now pieces, one a starter, and one a 6MOY quality guard off the bench. Salary wise they are more expensive next year, then actually less salary the year after, then have that extra year or 2 of Grant depending on whether he opts in or out.

Love this move for both teams. It’s a reset for Portland (as long as they think they can’t get better assets with separate trades for these guys). They clear space and get another building block. Sac gets elevated to conference finals contender with this move, especially if they keep Monk. Having a rotation of the following is pretty balanced and has a roster that can run while also playing connected defense:
Fox-Brogdon-Davion
Monk-Ellis-Duarte
Murray-Jones-Edwards
Grant-Vezenkov
Sabonis-Len

Maybe try moving Davion/Duarte/Vezenkov/future first for a backup 4/5 and you are set. I’m looking at a utility big who can play big backup minutes while filling in for one of Grant/Sabonis if they go down.

Good trade!

[LightTheBeam]

I don't see it for sac. The owner will not pay to keep this team together. Need to look for cheaper options.

[Norm2953]

Portland could simply do one of those filler for top 55 protected pick to clear the fillers off
their payroll.

[OGSactownballer]

Not interested in any form to bring Grant to Sac. He is far to costly to us for what he brings.

[bpcox05]

What about this:

13, Huerter, Barnes, Lyle, future 2nd

for

Grant, Brogdon, 40

Blazers get under tax and a lotto to use or trade up with, then switch out a 2nd for a future second so we still have 4 picks this draft instead of 5. They would still need follow up moves for roster space purposes.

Kings get 2 win now pieces, one a starter, and one a 6MOY quality guard off the bench. Salary wise they are more expensive next year, then actually less salary the year after, then have that extra year or 2 of Grant depending on whether he opts in or out.

Not really a fan of this trade as this leaves us with 5 small guards that should be getting minutes (Fox, Ellis, Monk, Brogdon, and Mitchell). I don’t like the idea of dedicating many minutes to 3 guard lineups especially when everyone is basically 6’3” and under.

The trade also leaves us thin at the forward spot with Lyles going out. Lyles brings some good size and can play the 4/5.

[Myth]

What about this:

13, Huerter, Barnes, Lyle, future 2nd

for

Grant, Brogdon, 40

Blazers get under tax and a lotto to use or trade up with, then switch out a 2nd for a future second so we still have 4 picks this draft instead of 5. They would still need follow up moves for roster space purposes.

Kings get 2 win now pieces, one a starter, and one a 6MOY quality guard off the bench. Salary wise they are more expensive next year, then actually less salary the year after, then have that extra year or 2 of Grant depending on whether he opts in or out.

Not really a fan of this trade as this leaves us with 5 small guards that should be getting minutes (Fox, Ellis, Monk, Brogdon, and Mitchell). I don’t like the idea of dedicating many minutes to 3 guard lineups especially when everyone is basically 6’3” and under.

The trade also leaves us thin at the forward spot with Lyles going out. Lyles brings some good size and can play the 4/5.

Lyle was only in it for salary purposes. What if it were to be Davion instead of Lyle and Blazers add Duop Reath. Kings keep Lyle and add a backup center with some three ball to his game for one of those guards in Davion.

[OxAndFox]

What about this:

13, Huerter, Barnes, Lyle, future 2nd

for

Grant, Brogdon, 40

Blazers get under tax and a lotto to use or trade up with, then switch out a 2nd for a future second so we still have 4 picks this draft instead of 5. They would still need follow up moves for roster space purposes.

Kings get 2 win now pieces, one a starter, and one a 6MOY quality guard off the bench. Salary wise they are more expensive next year, then actually less salary the year after, then have that extra year or 2 of Grant depending on whether he opts in or out.

Not really a fan of this trade as this leaves us with 5 small guards that should be getting minutes (Fox, Ellis, Monk, Brogdon, and Mitchell). I don’t like the idea of dedicating many minutes to 3 guard lineups especially when everyone is basically 6’3” and under.

The trade also leaves us thin at the forward spot with Lyles going out. Lyles brings some good size and can play the 4/5.

Lyle was only in it for salary purposes. What if it were to be Davion instead of Lyle and Blazers add Duop Reath. Kings keep Lyle and add a backup center with some three ball to his game for one of those guards in Davion.

I'm not on board with the Kings adding Grant, but your changes with Davion instead of Lyles and including Duop would be better.

[BrianInPhilly]

I'd think teams would offer more for Grant than essentially basically nothing in this trade .. He had a real good year, and his shooting was 40% from 3' and only rising in recent years. $32 million per for a 3rd/4th option the next couple years is not bad and definitely not negative value - Sacramento would love this trade.

[bpcox05]

What about this:

13, Huerter, Barnes, Lyle, future 2nd

for

Grant, Brogdon, 40

Blazers get under tax and a lotto to use or trade up with, then switch out a 2nd for a future second so we still have 4 picks this draft instead of 5. They would still need follow up moves for roster space purposes.

Kings get 2 win now pieces, one a starter, and one a 6MOY quality guard off the bench. Salary wise they are more expensive next year, then actually less salary the year after, then have that extra year or 2 of Grant depending on whether he opts in or out.

Not really a fan of this trade as this leaves us with 5 small guards that should be getting minutes (Fox, Ellis, Monk, Brogdon, and Mitchell). I don’t like the idea of dedicating many minutes to 3 guard lineups especially when everyone is basically 6’3” and under.

The trade also leaves us thin at the forward spot with Lyles going out. Lyles brings some good size and can play the 4/5.

Lyle was only in it for salary purposes. What if it were to be Davion instead of Lyle and Blazers add Duop Reath. Kings keep Lyle and add a backup center with some three ball to his game for one of those guards in Davion.

Yeah, it’s certainly better but even with those 4 guys at the guard spots (Fox, Ellis, Monk, & Brogdon), I question how the minute rotation would work. Fox should be getting 34-36 min, Monk should be getting 26-28 min, Brogdon should be getting 26-28 min, and Ellis should be getting 24-26 min. That’s 110-118 min for those 4 players when there is only 96 min total at the guard spot. That means you’re having one of these guys log 14-22 min at SF which I’m not a fan of.

Now if Monk walks, I think the minutes make more sense as Mitchell is more like a 14-20 min type of player but the issue is we won’t know if Monk walks before the draft.

[bpcox05]

I don't see it for sac. The owner will not pay to keep this team together. Need to look for cheaper options.

Why do you say that? If we keep Monk, we’ll have ~$185 mil tied up in Fox, Monk, Murray, Grant, and Sabonis. When Ellis is on his 2nd contract, we’re probably low $200 mil but that includes our entire starting lineup and an elite 6th man.


Now that may seem like a ton tied up in 6 players but by the time Murray is on his 2nd contract, the 2nd apron that year will be $230 mil (and continuing to grow). I think we’ll be fine filling out the rest of the depth with that amount of space to work with.

[OxAndFox]

I'd think teams would offer more for Grant than essentially basically nothing in this trade .. He had a real good year, and his shooting was 40% from 3' and only rising in recent years. $32 million per for a 3rd/4th option the next couple years is not bad and definitely not negative value - Sacramento would love this trade.

I don't think it's bad value wise for the Kings, but 3/4th options that get $32m per year that aren't all defensive players aren't really where the successful teams are going.

Boston - Porzingis is #3 option, White is #4, Holiday is #5. Porzingis and Jrue earned way more this season, but both are right at Grant's salary next season. Both of them are not only their #3 and #5 options, but both are legitimate all defensive players.
New York - In RS Donte #3 option OG #4 option. Donte makes $10.9m. OG is about to be paid, but #4 option that is a legitimate all defensive team guy.
Milwaukee - Middleton is #3 option. Bang on money wise and in the 3/4 option. Would prefer Grant even though there is only 2 years difference between them.
Minny - 3rd option in RS was Reid. He was 4th option in the POs. He is on $12.9m.
Dallas - 3rd option is Washington. He is on $16.8m and even less next season.
Denver - Porter Jr is #3. Paid a decent amount more than Grant. Would prefer Grant right here.

I didn't do OKC due to rookie contracts. But that's about the top 3 teams in each conference. There's only 2 guys IMO that the teams would prefer Grant in that role you mention.
To me it seems like Grant is in that range of a good offensive player but isn't going to lead a team anywhere and if he is your #3/#4 option it's difficult to see a path forward to a championship for a team like Sacramento or someone around that level of team.

[OGSactownballer]

I'd think teams would offer more for Grant than essentially basically nothing in this trade .. He had a real good year, and his shooting was 40% from 3' and only rising in recent years. $32 million per for a 3rd/4th option the next couple years is not bad and definitely not negative value - Sacramento would love this trade.

He’s not a 3rd/4th option on a contender and definitely not on this team.

Fox
Monk/Murray (2 & 3 depending on matchups and who’s hot hand)
Sabonis

Are the top four (we actually need Sabonis shooting more so he should be option 4 and sometimes 2 or 3). Grant doesn’t average more than about 14 ppg max here or with any contender. He is overpaid based on past performance with a weaker team and his two way ability which has really dropped off on the defensive end as he has focused on becoming a primary scorer. Also he is not the size answer the Kings need at the PF spot. More of a combo wing. We already have an issue with that.

[bpcox05]

It interested in any form to bring Grant to Sac. He is far to costly to us for what he brings.

Why do you say that?

His contract is around 20% of the cap each year. Young max players are at 25% (and I think we can all admit that many of those contracts are overpays based on potential). 7-9 year maxes are 30% and 10+ year maxes are 35%. He’s paid like a high end starter which seems to align with what he is. He’s an efficient volume scorer with great length and good athleticism. He’s also a great shooter and has shown that he can play great defense when he’s not being asked to be a focal point.

[OxAndFox]

It interested in any form to bring Grant to Sac. He is far to costly to us for what he brings.

Why do you say that?

His contract is around 20% of the cap each year. Young max players are at 25% (and I think we can all admit that many of those contracts are overpays based on potential). 7-9 year maxes are 30% and 10+ year maxes are 35%. He’s paid like a high end starter which seems to align with what he is. He’s an efficient volume scorer with great length and good athleticism. He’s also a great shooter and has shown that he can play great defense when he’s not being asked to be a focal point.

It's not 2018.

If Grant could come in and play elite all defensive team D I would be on board with him being in Sacramento. He just doesn't though.

If the Kings are bringing him in as a #2 scorer and want an elite offensive trio between Fox/Sabonis/Grant then I can see it. But you need to get off Keegan right now and get pieces in to fit them before you sink his value because he may become a defensive Harrison Barnes, which would still hold value, but not the player that he will show next season.

[bpcox05]

It interested in any form to bring Grant to Sac. He is far to costly to us for what he brings.

Why do you say that?

His contract is around 20% of the cap each year. Young max players are at 25% (and I think we can all admit that many of those contracts are overpays based on potential). 7-9 year maxes are 30% and 10+ year maxes are 35%. He’s paid like a high end starter which seems to align with what he is. He’s an efficient volume scorer with great length and good athleticism. He’s also a great shooter and has shown that he can play great defense when he’s not being asked to be a focal point.

It's not 2018.

If Grant could come in and play elite all defensive team D I would be on board with him being in Sacramento. He just doesn't though.

If the Kings are bringing him in as a #2 scorer and want an elite offensive trio between Fox/Sabonis/Grant then I can see it. But you need to get off Keegan right now and get pieces in to fit them before you sink his value because he may become a defensive Harrison Barnes, which would still hold value, but not the player that he will show next season.

I’m well aware it’s not 2018.

The thing to keep in mind is that we were a great defensive team at the end of the year with Barnes starting at PF. Even in Grant’s current state, I think he’s a better defender than Barnes. Then you consider the fact that Grant has a massive length & reach advantage over Barnes and I think he only improved what we saw to the end the year.

Also, you need to consider Grant’s defensive ceiling. He very well may not be a great defender all year long but we know that he can reach a high level defensively from what we saw in DEN/OKC. I’d bet on him being a great defender in crunch time and/or the playoffs. Another way to think of this is would you rather have a player who plays above average defense all year long, in crunch time, and in the playoffs, or would you rather have a player that plays average defender during the regular season but plays great defender during crunch time and in the playoffs? I think of Grant as the latter.

The point is that Grant could very well be an efficient #2 option behind Fox while also being an upgrade over Barnes defensively, length-wise, and athletically. But we have the potential added bonus of Grant being able to elevate his defense when it matters most which then elevates the entire team’s ceiling when matched up with the better teams in the league.

[Myth]

Not really a fan of this trade as this leaves us with 5 small guards that should be getting minutes (Fox, Ellis, Monk, Brogdon, and Mitchell). I don’t like the idea of dedicating many minutes to 3 guard lineups especially when everyone is basically 6’3” and under.

The trade also leaves us thin at the forward spot with Lyles going out. Lyles brings some good size and can play the 4/5.

Lyle was only in it for salary purposes. What if it were to be Davion instead of Lyle and Blazers add Duop Reath. Kings keep Lyle and add a backup center with some three ball to his game for one of those guards in Davion.

Yeah, it’s certainly better but even with those 4 guys at the guard spots (Fox, Ellis, Monk, & Brogdon), I question how the minute rotation would work. Fox should be getting 34-36 min, Monk should be getting 26-28 min, Brogdon should be getting 26-28 min, and Ellis should be getting 24-26 min. That’s 110-118 min for those 4 players when there is only 96 min total at the guard spot. That means you’re having one of these guys log 14-22 min at SF which I’m not a fan of.

Now if Monk walks, I think the minutes make more sense as Mitchell is more like a 14-20 min type of player but the issue is we won’t know if Monk walks before the draft.

I think you are looking at the minutes averages without accounting for how they are actually boosted by injuries and in games where everybody is healthy, most of those players tend to play less minutes than their average. But really, this trade actually opens up minutes at the guard positions, because you are removing both Huerter and Davion and replacing them with Brogdon. Just looking at the average Huerter played 24.4mpg but 72% of those minutes were at SG (17.5mpg at SG), and 100% of Davion’s 15.2 minutes were at guard positions. Factor in that given injury history and depth of the Kings guards, Brogdon should probably be reduced to 24mpg with the exception of games Fox misses.